greg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 09:19
..hoping for a ko..
Same here Greg. Both are flawed guys. The winner will probably get more credit than he deserves, and I hope whomever that is wins by knockout.
Wilder is just a mediocre boxer, but he can punch. Fury is a mediocre puncher, but he can box. Neither has a good chin in my opinion. Translation, anything can happen.
You rarely see bad judging in this weight division because of the obvious, more ko’s mostly but the action is also slower and punches are more obvious to tabulate effectiveness. So if there’s a bad decision, then it’s a lot easier to give the sniff test to as being dirty or just bad scoring. It’s way more obvious than Canelo and Oscar’s criminality.
With that said, I bet Fury has more fans here than Wilder because there’s s huge Irish contingency here and they all love the sport. If anything, I’d say Fury gets some favor over Wilder just due to the fanfare he’ll be getting on all of his punches. I still think the fight gets postponed though. I’m not getting excited yet.
judging in past wilder fights has constantly given him every benefit of the doubt
fury did get generous judging early on in his career vs mcdermott, but i doubt that applies much here
wilder to me seems like more of the a-side on this card, in this location, with the main players, so if anyone gets generous judging id guess hed be more likely to get it. wont make a difference in the end to the result, because he will ko fury.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 13:16
I see very little chance the judges are needed. Neither is big enough to get canelo like love. Incompetent judging is always possible. If anybody got favorable scoring I'd guess it would be Tyson.
The judging in big events has been rather suspect. No I do not expect fair judging. I expect the more financially important fighter to boxing, backed his promoter that picks the judges to win the close rounds and possibly a round he shouldn't later in the fight to seal a draw or win. While you and I might score it 7-5, the judges will see it 5-7 defying punch stat numbers and the majority of media score cards.
In the end its technically not visible robbery, but in reality its skullduggery at its finest.
No promoter has ever picked judges here. I have no idea who the biggest financial fighter is here. But I hear you.
The most likely result is an ugly 12 round slip fest and Fury will get the decision.
Wilder isn't all that popular in his home country. Ali was a loud mouth but he
was funny and engaging. Wilder is just obnoxious. BOMBSQUAD. Lennox wasn't
popular because he didn't know to stop dogging an opponent after he beat them.
"He's has been Rachman" People want a polite gracious champ. Like Joshua
is pretending to be.
jamamb wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 05:08
judging in past wilder fights has constantly given him every benefit of the doubt
Take your word for it.
I've only seen the cards after the Washington fight, where Wilder was out boxed for the first three quite clearly but not on the cards
ya its happened regularly, most had him down vs ortiz and i did too, but just so happened that all three judges had him ahead. vs szpilka that fight couldve easily been level, but the judges had him well ahead and 2 only gave szplika 2 rounds out of the 9. i thought hed lost all 4 rounds to washington yet none of the judges had him losing and one gave him every round
i think the judging hasnt been so outragously bad that hes getting every round he clearly loses, but its clear that time after time the judges are giving him every benefit of the doubt and giving him nearly every round that is remotely close and could go to the other guy
Watching those rounds against Washington, low contact not much throw, pretty slow paced rounds, I can see Wilder getting an early round two rounds would be pushing it but anything beyond that is ludicrous. It seems pretty clear Wilder is oblivious to points, has fought no other way. Up big, down 4 rounds, doesn't matter. He's coming to break your face every punch. I think Fury is good enough to beat him. But if Wilder has a sharp active jab that's gonna open up the right hand and it could end in an instant. Fascinating match up. As far as judging, it's unpredictable, anywhere ya go. The biggest fights in history have some of the worst scorecards ever. They likely won't be needed in this case, or the results so clear the score is academic. Could be a good night for boxing, hate to see the 3 blind mice butcher another one.
jamamb wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 14:44
ya its happened regularly, most had him down vs ortiz and i did too, but just so happened that all three judges had him ahead. vs szpilka that fight couldve easily been level, but the judges had him well ahead and 2 only gave szplika 2 rounds out of the 9. i thought hed lost all 4 rounds to washington yet none of the judges had him losing and one gave him every round
i think the judging hasnt been so outragously bad that hes getting every round he clearly loses, but its clear that time after time the judges are giving him every benefit of the doubt and giving him nearly every round that is remotely close and could go to the other guy
Thanks for that Jammy.
I thought the same re Szpitka. Didn't see the cards for that though. Ortiz I had 2 ahead before the first KD.
All that aside, Fury must know he needs to be clearly winning rounds. The decision he got against Wlad was right, he may not be as lucky twice.
jamamb wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 14:44
ya its happened regularly, most had him down vs ortiz and i did too, but just so happened that all three judges had him ahead. vs szpilka that fight couldve easily been level, but the judges had him well ahead and 2 only gave szplika 2 rounds out of the 9. i thought hed lost all 4 rounds to washington yet none of the judges had him losing and one gave him every round
i think the judging hasnt been so outragously bad that hes getting every round he clearly loses, but its clear that time after time the judges are giving him every benefit of the doubt and giving him nearly every round that is remotely close and could go to the other guy
Absolutely right. So I'm not expecting totally objective scoring in any case.
