Jarrell Miller vs. Bogdan Dinu - November 17, 2018

[dagilechia]

i have it 2-0 for Dinu so far

if someone have a longer reach then good jab + ociasionally strong straight right hand and decent footwork is a lethal weapon against Miller. this fight, imho, shows that Fat Baby Miller is a no hoper vs AJ, i also think that Pulev would most likely beat him (win on points)

[dagilechia]

Dinu KO'ed in round 4 but imo he exposed some of Miller's flaws and it was just Bogdan Dinu, no one special, Dinu's chinny and he lacks heart

[Mexi-Box]

Wow, Dinu did so damn well. I had it a shutout. Guy has no heart and a bad chin, though. I heard someone on another forum say that a boxer said that Dinu was a sparring partner for far too long. Yeah, I think his mentality is not for this level.

Solid win for Miller, but he's still very flawed.

[Mexi-Box]

Dinu KO'ed in round 4 but imo he exposed some of Miller's flaws and it was just Bogdan Dinu, no one special, Dinu's chinny and he lacks heart

One-armed Wach exposed Miller a while back. Dude is prone to being outboxed. Pulev would be absolute poison to Miller. Just a horrific style matchup.

Not sure about Luis Ortiz. I don't think Ortiz can stop Miller, and Ortiz's stamina is atrocious.

[DrDuke]

The outcome was generally predictable. But Dinu was decent early. That's just another proof, that Miller will lose to a good mover. Dinu was hit with really damaging punches, when he was slowing down. Miller has no footwork, he just walks. His handspeed is decent though, but if his opponent moves and throws from the distance, Miller won't be able to reach the target.

[jamamb]

not that i think miller beats any of the elite hws, but unless guys are winning more then the first 2 rounds against him its not much of a deal to me. just seems repeateadly he loses the first round at least and doesnt really care about winning that. he often hardly even throws anything in the first round or so.

id like to see him vs a harder puncher to see if he tightens up his defense at all, the way he fights now its like he just has no respect for the power of guys who cant hurt him

[KiwiRider]

The outcome was generally predictable. But Dinu was decent early. That's just another proof, that Miller will lose to a good mover. Dinu was hit with really damaging punches, when he was slowing down. Miller has no footwork, he just walks. His handspeed is decent though, but if his opponent moves and throws from the distance, Miller won't be able to reach the target.

Spot on Doc
Miller is going to be a sitting duck for AJ's jab and right hand.
It would be a mismatch.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ilya Muromets]

The outcome was generally predictable. But Dinu was decent early. That's just another proof, that Miller will lose to a good mover. Dinu was hit with really damaging punches, when he was slowing down. Miller has no footwork, he just walks. His handspeed is decent though, but if his opponent moves and throws from the distance, Miller won't be able to reach the target.

Spot on Doc
Miller is going to be a sitting duck for AJ's jab and right hand.
It would be a mismatch.

Dinu was winning the rounds. His jab was landing at will. If he was a slugger with a heavy hook he could have had the big baby in big trouble. On the other hand BB punches the body like a truck hitting you. He has a lot of strength and weight behind those body punches.

[candyslim]

not that i think miller beats any of the elite hws, but unless guys are winning more then the first 2 rounds against him its not much of a deal to me. just seems repeateadly he loses the first round at least and doesnt really care about winning that. he often hardly even throws anything in the first round or so.

id like to see him vs a harder puncher to see if he tightens up his defense at all, the way he fights now its like he just has no respect for the power of guys who cant hurt him

Good post Jammy. I agree your assessment. So far he has shown contempt for any right hand thrown at him. Pulev would fare no better in that respect, but he does have the skills to outbox him. He'd need good stamina to not end up like Dinu though. Does he still have it? The Fury fight didn't test Pulev's stamina. I've no doubt Miller would elicit an answer to that question but he turned down the fight in Sofia.

Previously I said Miller would roll over Pulev. I still think he would but I'm not as sure about that as I was a couple of weeks ago.

[Mexi-Box]

The outcome was generally predictable. But Dinu was decent early. That's just another proof, that Miller will lose to a good mover. Dinu was hit with really damaging punches, when he was slowing down. Miller has no footwork, he just walks. His handspeed is decent though, but if his opponent moves and throws from the distance, Miller won't be able to reach the target.

Spot on Doc
Miller is going to be a sitting duck for AJ's jab and right hand.
It would be a mismatch.

Every fight for Joshua post-Klitschko is a supposed mismatch. He's not that good.

[candyslim]

His last fight was against Povetkin but sensible posters weren't calling it a mismatch nor was that description applied to the Parker fight, in fact I struggle to recall that term used for any of fights except maybe afterwards.

If you mean he was the favourite each time, yes he was and his unbeaten record would tend to suggest that was not unreasonable. He has seen off many of the top fighters in the division. How good does he have to be?

[Mexi-Box]

His last fight was against Povetkin but sensible posters weren't calling it a mismatch nor was that description applied to the Parker fight, in fact I struggle to recall that term used for any of fights except maybe afterwards.

If you mean he was the favourite each time, yes he was and his unbeaten record would tend to suggest that was not unreasonable. He has seen off many of the top fighters in the division. How good does he have to be?

There was a huge thread about Joshua/Povetkin being a mismatch. There was also a lot of skepticism about Parker considering how he fared against Ruiz Jr., etc.

Now you're saying Miller is a mismatch with Joshua. As I said, Joshua is nowhere near that good to be considered mismatch territory with a top 10 HW.

[KiwiRider]

Dinu was winning the rounds. His jab was landing at will. If he was a slugger with a heavy hook he could have had the big baby in big trouble. On the other hand BB punches the body like a truck hitting you. He has a lot of strength and weight behind those body punches.

True the body punching
I was referring to the power of AJ's jab, should the two meet.
When haven't seen much of it lately. Takem, Parker and Povitkin were decent enough to mostly avoid it, so AJ didn't use it as much. Miller isn't good enough yet to avoid AJ's jab, and it is a real power jab that snaps the head back. I could see Miller eating them at will and not being allowed to get inside and unleash his body work. He is at a height and reach disadvantage for starters, and his lack of head and upper body movement means an easy target.

[dagilechia]

His last fight was against Povetkin but sensible posters weren't calling it a mismatch nor was that description applied to the Parker fight, in fact I struggle to recall that term used for any of fights except maybe afterwards.

If you mean he was the favourite each time, yes he was and his unbeaten record would tend to suggest that was not unreasonable. He has seen off many of the top fighters in the division. How good does he have to be?

There was a huge thread about Joshua/Povetkin being a mismatch. There was also a lot of skepticism about Parker considering how he fared against Ruiz Jr., etc.

Now you're saying Miller is a mismatch with Joshua. As I said, Joshua is nowhere near that good to be considered mismatch territory with a top 10 HW.

as far as i remember the thread about AJ vs Povetkin being a mismatch was started by an obvious troll called Luis Fernando12

[dagilechia]

Dinu KO'ed in round 4 but imo he exposed some of Miller's flaws and it was just Bogdan Dinu, no one special, Dinu's chinny and he lacks heart

One-armed Wach exposed Miller a while back. Dude is prone to being outboxed. Pulev would be absolute poison to Miller. Just a horrific style matchup.

Not sure about Luis Ortiz. I don't think Ortiz can stop Miller, and Ortiz's stamina is atrocious.

yeah Wach exposed him a bit, if not the injury this fight could end up to be close on the cards.

Pulev would be my favourite vs Miller as well. Hrgovic, though still needs some experience at the high level at pro, would be a huge danger for Miller too, even now.

[Best Coast]

Dinu KO'ed in round 4 but imo he exposed some of Miller's flaws and it was just Bogdan Dinu, no one special, Dinu's chinny and he lacks heart

Dinu's softness and lack of heart were obvious in his half-hearted attempt to get up. Miller is basically a crude brawler and I dont expect him to do well when he finally faces a genuine world-class opponent.

[candyslim]

His last fight was against Povetkin but sensible posters weren't calling it a mismatch nor was that description applied to the Parker fight, in fact I struggle to recall that term used for any of fights except maybe afterwards.

If you mean he was the favourite each time, yes he was and his unbeaten record would tend to suggest that was not unreasonable. He has seen off many of the top fighters in the division. How good does he have to be?

There was a huge thread about Joshua/Povetkin being a mismatch. There was also a lot of skepticism about Parker considering how he fared against Ruiz Jr., etc.

Now you're saying Miller is a mismatch with Joshua. As I said, Joshua is nowhere near that good to be considered mismatch territory with a top 10 HW.

Yes there was a huge thread. I contributed to it saying "Of course it isn't a mismatch and it won't be even if Joshua blows him away in a round or two" That was the general concenssus. Note I did specify "sensible posters".

Skepticism, yes I think that's fair comment, but again I think most people felt he had got these wins over good fighters (not controversy free admittedly) and as a holder of the belt and recognized WBO champion, was a worthy opponent. Surely you cannot call a unification a mismatch even if one fighter goes on to destroy the other.

Who is saying Miller is a mismatch for Joshua. Not me?. I've been banging the drum for Miller for a good while now, defending him against many who seemed to regard him as a talentless fat slob. My only complaint about Miller is his seeming reluctance to test himself against quality opposition. There is a question mark over his being allegedly open
to a right hand but I've never seen him fazed by any punch, and it could be so far he hasn't felt the need to evade them. That does mean he may come unstuck against the divisions elite punchers but not necessarily. I emphatically refute any suggestion that I consider Miller a mismatch for Joshua. Miller might well be involved in mismatches but he is never the overmatched fighter.

[Heretic]

I think this is fine. Miller has done way more than enough to earn a title shot, and everything from here until he gets his shot is just extra credit. Beating an unproven, undefeated contendo-prospect is just another feather in his cap, sort of on-par with Chisora's wins over Gerber and Pala, or Povetkin's win against Wawrzyk. Of course, I wouldn't pay money to see it, and if this was a defense of a world championship belt, it'd be pretty disappointing. But Miller doesn't even have a belt, and doesn't have to match himself as though he does.

His competition for title shots is also rapidly thinning, as Ortiz catches a loss, Povetkin catches a loss, Parker catches a loss, Wilder or Fury will lose soon, and Chisora or Whyte will lose soon. The only legitimate contenders still queued-up for a title shot soon are Miller, Pulev, the Chisora - Whyte winner, and Kownacki.

Also, this fight is 1 month and 11 days after his previous fight. That's legit. If you don't even have a belt and you're fighting top 65 opponents once a month, that's pretty solid. If he was fighting this level of competition once a year, it'd be a tragic waste.

So you think that Miller has done enough for title shot? Beating Wach, Washington and Dinu is enough to earn a shot?

I don't think so. Kownacki is even more far away from earning a shot. Who has he beaten to earn a shot? Szpilka?

[jamamb]

hes done more then wilder and aj had done, and done more then several of there title opponents had done. i mean for example he easily beat johann duhaupas and gerald washington, and both of those guys had already had title shots but he hasnt. other less proven guys who fought for titles recently : andy ruiz, hughie fury, raz cojanu, charles martin, artur szpilka.tyson fury really wasnt much more proven if at all either. and joe parker had only really beaten takam before getting his wbo shot, and stiverne only really beaten 40 year old ray austin and arreola before his.

most champs actually hadnt done all that much before getting shots. these days its pretty rare to have someone super proven before getting a title shot.

miller is probably the 2nd most proven out of hws who havent got a title shot yet (behind whyte, who at least already got a fight vs one of the big names)

[jamamb]

and wtf is with this stuff of guys like wach and dinu exposing him? between those two fights he lost like 3 rounds total and they were all at the start of the fights when he was just getting into it and obviously didnt give a f@ck about losing those rounds. miller is one of those guys who often drops an early round or two and just doesnt seem to care....usyk losing a couple early rounds to hunter and bellew hardly 'exposed' him either

ill say it again, lets talk about miller being 'exposed' when someone manages to win something other then maybe the first round or two

a guy like duhaupas is a very game and decent fighter who beat helenius, charr, and shut wilders eye and never got dropped by deontay, yet he was easy easy work for miller. ,millers not bad although yes he does love the buffett

[Lackeos]

hes done more then wilder and aj had done, and done more then several of there title opponents had done. i mean for example he easily beat johann duhaupas and gerald washington, and both of those guys had already had title shots but he hasnt. other less proven guys who fought for titles recently : andy ruiz, hughie fury, raz cojanu, charles martin, artur szpilka.tyson fury really wasnt much more proven if at all either. and joe parker had only really beaten takam before getting his wbo shot, and stiverne only really beaten 40 year old ray austin and arreola before his.

most champs actually hadnt done all that much before getting shots. these days its pretty rare to have someone super proven before getting a title shot.

miller is probably the 2nd most proven out of hws who havent got a title shot yet (behind whyte, who at least already got a fight vs one of the big names)

Yep, accurate. The most fair way to judge if a fighter has earned a shot to a great degree, an average amount, or a below average amount, is to just compare what he's done to everyone else in the division. There are some people in boxing forums who have this unrealistic standard for what it takes to earn a title shot, but the most objective standard is to just look at what everyone else did to earn it.

Probably about one-third of recent heavyweight title challengers didn't even have a single scalp as good as Washington when they got the call to fight for a title. At least half of recent HW title challengers don't have a scalp as good as Duhaupas, and among those that do, some didn't have a second decent win.

[Lackeos]

Miller's key wins: Duhaupas, Wach, Washington, Adamek, Dinu

The key wins of other title challengers at the time of their first shot (I've left out a few like Briggs and Rahman whose best wins were like decades old):
Luis Ortiz: Jennings, Malik Scott, past-it Tony Thompson, Kayode
Ustinov: past-it David Tua, Monte Barrett
Washington: draw with Mansour, past-it Chambers
Szpilka: Adamek
Duhaupas: MD over Charr
Molina: Tony Grano
Charles Martin: Tom Dallas, pre-prime Dawejko
Takam: Tony Thompson, draw with Mike Perez
Hughie Fury: Andriy Rudenko
Razvan Cojanu: literally nobody
Parker: Takam, Dimitrenko
Ruiz Jr.: Joe Hanks, Tor Hamer, corpse of Liakhovich
Breazeale: Mansour (and mostly because Mansour didn't have a real gum shield)
Anthony Joshua: unproven Dillian Whyte (borderline top 50 at the time), Gary Cornish
Wilder: Malik Scott
Stiverne: Arreola
Lucas Browne: Richard Towers, corpse of James Toney, Andriy Rudenko
Tyson Fury: Chisora, Cunningham, Hammer
Jennings: Mike Perez, Szpilka, Fedosov, past-it Liakhovich
Glazkov: Cunningham (gift), Adamek
Pulev: Tony Thompson, Ustinov, Dimitrenko
Alex Leapai: Denis Boytsov
Chisora: Sam Sexton
Manuel Charr: Taras Bidenko
Odlanier Solis: Ray Austin, Monte Barret
Albert Sosnowski: draw with Pianeta
Francesco Pianeta: past-it Oliver McCall, pre-prime Duhaupas, draw with Sosnowski
Wach: Tye Fields, pre-prime Christian Hammer
Andrzej Wawrzyk: Denis Bakhtov, Devin Vargas
Kevin Johnson: Devin Vargas
Cedric Boswell: past-it Oliver McCall, Roman Greenberg
Povetkin: Chambers, past-it Chris Byrd
Arreola: Jameel McCline, Chazz Witherspoon

By my estimate, Miller's accomplishments so far are better than about 82% of other heavyweight first-time title challengers lately. So is it safe to say that he's done an above average amount to earn a heavyweight title shot, compared to the standard of other title challengers?

[dagilechia]

this list just shows how irrevelant being a ''former title challenger'' is.

Is there any other sport in which you can get a shot at the world championship so easily?

[jamamb]

hes done more then wilder and aj had done, and done more then several of there title opponents had done. i mean for example he easily beat johann duhaupas and gerald washington, and both of those guys had already had title shots but he hasnt. other less proven guys who fought for titles recently : andy ruiz, hughie fury, raz cojanu, charles martin, artur szpilka.tyson fury really wasnt much more proven if at all either. and joe parker had only really beaten takam before getting his wbo shot, and stiverne only really beaten 40 year old ray austin and arreola before his.

most champs actually hadnt done all that much before getting shots. these days its pretty rare to have someone super proven before getting a title shot.

miller is probably the 2nd most proven out of hws who havent got a title shot yet (behind whyte, who at least already got a fight vs one of the big names)

Yep, accurate. The most fair way to judge if a fighter has earned a shot to a great degree, an average amount, or a below average amount, is to just compare what he's done to everyone else in the division. There are some people in boxing forums who have this unrealistic standard for what it takes to earn a title shot, but the most objective standard is to just look at what everyone else did to earn it.

Probably about one-third of recent heavyweight title challengers didn't even have a single scalp as good as Washington when they got the call to fight for a title. At least half of recent HW title challengers don't have a scalp as good as Duhaupas, and among those that do, some didn't have a second decent win.

spot on