If GGG would fight Callum Smith with a 10 pounds rehydration clause, how big of an advantage it would be for GGG ?

[apollo creed]

Let's say Callum would not be allowed to weigh more than 178 lbs in the fight night. GGG would probably weigh around 175 lbs. How this fight would play out?

[Enlightened-One]

If GGG would fight Callum Smith with a 10 pounds rehydration clause, how big of an advantage it would be for GGG ?

If the notion you’re proposing ever comes to fruition then it would reek of hypocrisy, based on GGG’s previous assertions about weight related contractual stipulations.

[apollo creed]

GGG would straight jump to smw to fight the champion, no other preparation fights at smw , not catch-weights! I think it's pretty fair for GGG that a very big smw like Callum to have a 10 pounds rehydration clause.

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GGG would straight jump to smw to fight the champion, no other preparation fights at smw , not catch-weights! I think it's pretty fair for GGG that a very big smw like Callum to have a 10 pounds rehydration clause.

Rehydration clauses are bullshít. And dangerous to neurological health.

If you want to fight at 168, do so under the same rules as everyone else at 168. If you're not prepared to do that, stay where you are.

That applies to GGG, Canelo, or any other middleweight wanting to move up (or anyone from any division wanting to move up).

You're saying GGG would move up and take on the best at the weight, in his very first fight. If you put clauses in the contract to weaken that fighter, and put him at a disadvantage, would he really be fighting the best available at the weight, or just padding a record with a name?

I was happy when Danny Jacobs skipped the IBF morning weigh in. It meant we got GGG vs the very best version of Danny Jacobs, not some weight drained version that would no doubt leave Golovkin open to criticism (even though it was never his request).

[apollo creed]

GGG would straight jump to smw to fight the champion, no other preparation fights at smw , not catch-weights! I think it's pretty fair for GGG that a very big smw like Callum to have a 10 pounds rehydration clause.

Rehydration clauses are bullshít. And dangerous to neurological health.

If you want to fight at 168, do so under the same rules as everyone else at 168. If you're not prepared to do that, stay where you are.

That applies to GGG, Canelo, or any other middleweight wanting to move up (or anyone from any division wanting to move up).

You're saying GGG would move up and take on the best at the weight, in his very first fight. If you put clauses in the contract to weaken that fighter, and put him at a disadvantage, would he really be fighting the best available at the weight, or just padding a record with a name?

I was happy when Danny Jacobs skipped the IBF morning weigh in. It meant we got GGG vs the very best version of Danny Jacobs, not some weight drained version that would no doubt leave Golovkin open to criticism (even though it was never his request).

First GGG will be 37 y/o and he didn't fight at 168 lbs. Then Callum has a huge height and reach advantage, not to mention he is 28-29 y/o - in his prime!

As for the Jacobs fight by your logic Jacobs was very well rehydrated and GGG was drained since he had to do the second weigh in for the IBF which wasn't fair for GGG.

[apollo creed]

Another possibility it would be a fight at 164 lbs cw with no rehydration limit.

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GGG would straight jump to smw to fight the champion, no other preparation fights at smw , not catch-weights! I think it's pretty fair for GGG that a very big smw like Callum to have a 10 pounds rehydration clause.

Rehydration clauses are bullshít. And dangerous to neurological health.

If you want to fight at 168, do so under the same rules as everyone else at 168. If you're not prepared to do that, stay where you are.

That applies to GGG, Canelo, or any other middleweight wanting to move up (or anyone from any division wanting to move up).

You're saying GGG would move up and take on the best at the weight, in his very first fight. If you put clauses in the contract to weaken that fighter, and put him at a disadvantage, would he really be fighting the best available at the weight, or just padding a record with a name?

I was happy when Danny Jacobs skipped the IBF morning weigh in. It meant we got GGG vs the very best version of Danny Jacobs, not some weight drained version that would no doubt leave Golovkin open to criticism (even though it was never his request).

First GGG will be 37 y/o and he didn't fight at 168 lbs. Then Callum has a huge height and reach advantage, not to mention he is 28-29 y/o - in his prime!

As for the Jacobs fight by your logic Jacobs was very well rehydrated and GGG was drained since he had to do the second weigh in for the IBF.

GGG has no problem with the IBF morning weight check. He's not a big middleweight. His in-ring weight is probably only around 171-172, if that. He has absolutely no issues standing on a scale 170 or under on the morning of the fight. He shouldn't have to do it. I'm against rehydration clauses 100% of the time. It's just not a problem for him. Jacobs is bigger. He would suffer from having to stay 170 or below, since his fight weight is likely approaching 180.

For GGG, it's simple. If Callum Smith's height, reach and age advantage is too much of a problem, just don't take the fight. If he does want to fight Smith at 168, man up and do it under the full 168 rules.

There are plenty of middleweights available, if Smith is too big and scary. Jacobs 2, Canelo 3, Saunders, Charlo, Andrade etc. Just pick one of those.

Gabe Rosado is a natural 154 pounder. He never asked Golovkin for any rehydration clause. Nor should Golovkin, if he makes the jump to 168.

Final, and most important, point: It's fúcking dangerous!

I'd be ok with a 164lb catchweight, but only if it's a non-title fight. Any and all fights with a belt on the line, should take place at the full division limit.

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My logic with these weight bullies is... If it kills you to make a certain weight, don't make it.. But then, these boxers are greedy, because it likely puts them at a disadvantage at the above weight class..

Callum Smith, Jarrett Hurd are examples of boxers who look like they make weight no problem. No issue with that, I also believe Jacobs does also, but he likes being a bit bigger, he had a big frame.

[apollo creed]

We should not forget that GGG is a bigger draw/better profile than Smith, Jacobs, Hurd or Rosado.

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My logic with these weight bullies is... If it kills you to make a certain weight, don't make it.. But then, these boxers are greedy, because it likely puts them at a disadvantage at the above weight class..

Callum Smith, Jarrett Hurd are examples of boxers who look like they make weight no problem. No issue with that, I also believe Jacobs does also, but he likes being a bit bigger, he had a big frame.

Agreed. If you make weight, you make weight. There shouldn't need to be other clauses added, to give one fighter more of an advantage.

Personally, I'd like to see weigh ins shifted back to the day of the fight, but add in a hydration test to stop fighters killing themselves cutting too much water, and putting their health at risk. That way, we get rid of the weight bully issue, because fighters are being weighed much closer to their actual fighting weight, and we also reduce the risk of fighters suffering neurological injuries (both immediately, and later in life as a cumulative effect).

Detractors say it's a dangerous sport by nature, and that fighters know the risks and have free choice. Well, so is motor racing. We still have rules that force drivers to wear helmets, proper racing seats and restraints, roll cages, track designs with impact absorbent barriers/run off areas etc. Further rules to protect the health of boxers are no different.

We should not forget that GGG is a bigger draw/better profile than Smith, Jacobs, Hurd or Rosado.

Shouldn't make any difference where rules are concerned. Ring size, brand of gloves, who walks out first, choice of venue etc are one thing, rehydration clauses and catch weights (for title fights) are different, and shouldn't be allowed by those in power.

I'm a Golovkin fan, by the way. I just don't want to see any fighter use their star power to gain an unnecessary advantage, because that diminishes their achievements. I accept that certain things do happen, and that a lot of these things aren't new, but that doesn't mean I have to like them. The sport would be better, as a whole, if certain practices were got rid of.

[apollo creed]

I think it's a reasonable offer with a 10 pounds rehydration clause. Callum has a lean body.

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I think it's a reasonable offer with a 10 pounds rehydration clause. Callum has a lean body.

Fighters cut/gain water, not fat (assuming they're in shape). Being lean has nothing to do with it.

I've stated reasons why I disagree. Number 1 being that it's dangerous (medically proven). A fighter who is prevented from rehydrating properly has less cushioning around the brain when they're in the ring. He gets hit in the head, and his brain smashes against the inside of his skull. That happens anyway, but the effect is less if the fighter is properly hydrated. How is that acceptable?

Apart from Golovkin being smaller, old, and a big name, do you have any actual reasons why you think it's reasonable?

[Enlightened-One]

If GGG would fight Callum Smith with a 10 pounds rehydration clause, how big of an advantage it would be for GGG ?

Team GGG previously claimed that they were willing for Golovkin to face Froch at 172lbs… Hopkins at 175lbs… DeGale at 168lbs… Chavez Jr. at 168lbs… Ramirez at 168lbs…

Also, didn’t Team GGG persistently boast for several years, when they claimed that Golovkin was able to compete against and also beat the very best fighter's in their natural habitat, ranging from 154lbs to 175lbs? They also previously claimed that Gennady was even dominating cruiserweights in sparring.

Hasn’t GGG previously criticised other fighters for including unusual weight-related stipulations in the terms of their fight contracts?

[apollo creed]

If Callum wants to fight a high profile name he should be able to make some concessions. It's simple as that. Also GGG did not fight at smw before as a pro , so they would have to find a middle way. Or meet at 164 cw with no rehydration limit.

[apollo creed]

If GGG would fight Callum Smith with a 10 pounds rehydration clause, how big of an advantage it would be for GGG ?

Team GGG previously claimed that they were willing for Golovkin to face Froch at 172lbs… Hopkins at 175lbs… DeGale at 168lbs… Chavez Jr. at 168lbs… Ramirez at 168lbs…

Also, didn’t Team GGG persistently boast for several years, when they claimed that Golovkin was able to compete against and also beat the very best fighter's in their natural habitat, ranging from 154lbs to 175lbs? They also previously claimed that Gennady was even dominating cruiserweights in sparring.

Hasn’t GGG previously criticised other fighters for including unusual weight-related stipulations in the terms of their fight contracts?

At that time GGG didn't have any high profile fights and he wasn't very known but after the Jacobs and the Canelo fights things have changed in a good way for GGG. Now GGG can call the shots too, not only Canelo.

[apollo creed]

At 168 Smith has all the advantages over GGG like big height, reach and of course youth. GGG is old, short and didn't fight at 168.

Smith is 6 ft 3 in (191 cm) in height and 78 in (198 cm) in reach and GGG is 5′ 10½″/179cm in height and 70″/178cm in reach. That's not fair for GGG.

[Enlightened-One]

If GGG would fight Callum Smith with a 10 pounds rehydration clause, how big of an advantage it would be for GGG ?

Team GGG previously claimed that they were willing for Golovkin to face Froch at 172lbs… Hopkins at 175lbs… DeGale at 168lbs… Chavez Jr. at 168lbs… Ramirez at 168lbs…

Also, didn’t Team GGG persistently boast for several years, when they claimed that Golovkin was able to compete against and also beat the very best fighter's in their natural habitat, ranging from 154lbs to 175lbs? They also previously claimed that Gennady was even dominating cruiserweights in sparring.

Hasn’t GGG previously criticised other fighters for including unusual weight-related stipulations in the terms of their fight contracts?

At that time GGG didn't have any high profile fights and he wasn't very known but after the Jacobs and the Canelo fights things have changed in a good way for GGG. Now GGG can call the shots too, not only Canelo.

Are you suggesting that GGG was being insincere when he mentioned those names and made those claims solely for publicity purposes?

[apollo creed]

Team GGG previously claimed that they were willing for Golovkin to face Froch at 172lbs… Hopkins at 175lbs… DeGale at 168lbs… Chavez Jr. at 168lbs… Ramirez at 168lbs…

Also, didn’t Team GGG persistently boast for several years, when they claimed that Golovkin was able to compete against and also beat the very best fighter's in their natural habitat, ranging from 154lbs to 175lbs? They also previously claimed that Gennady was even dominating cruiserweights in sparring.

Hasn’t GGG previously criticised other fighters for including unusual weight-related stipulations in the terms of their fight contracts?

At that time GGG didn't have any high profile fights and he wasn't very known but after the Jacobs and the Canelo fights things have changed in a good way for GGG. Now GGG can call the shots too, not only Canelo.

Are you suggesting that GGG was being insincere when he mentioned those names and made those claims solely for publicity purposes?

How can you insinuate about GGG doing that when this guy fought the best fighters in his division ??

[boxing_rocks]

At that time GGG didn't have any high profile fights and he wasn't very known but after the Jacobs and the Canelo fights things have changed in a good way for GGG. Now GGG can call the shots too, not only Canelo.

Are you suggesting that GGG was being insincere when he mentioned those names and made those claims solely for publicity purposes?

How can you insinuate about GGG doing that when this guy fought the best fighters in his division ??

EO and insinuate are synonyms.

[apollo creed]

Are you suggesting that GGG was being insincere when he mentioned those names and made those claims solely for publicity purposes?

How can you insinuate about GGG doing that when this guy fought the best fighters in his division ??

EO and insinuate are synonyms.

As someone said on this forum "he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial."

[Enlightened-One]

At that time GGG didn't have any high profile fights and he wasn't very known but after the Jacobs and the Canelo fights things have changed in a good way for GGG. Now GGG can call the shots too, not only Canelo.

Are you suggesting that GGG was being insincere when he mentioned those names and made those claims solely for publicity purposes?

How can you insinuate about GGG doing that when this guy fought the best fighters in his division ??

GGG didn’t face the very best of his division.

He arrived on the world scene more than a decade ago and made claims about his ability to defeat champions from other weight classes, but never attempted to prove it inside the ring.

Other than Canelo and Jacobs, the calibre of the fighters listed on his resume at 160lbs is unimpressive. I’m not saying that Gennady is to blame for this, since I do feel that HBO and Tom Loeffler could have done a better job with his career.

Put it this way, people persistently claim that nearly all of GGG’s big name peers “ducked” him, but those that make such claims struggle to name any fighters that rejected financial offers submitted to them by Tom Loeffler.

If GGG demanded the implementation of either a catchweight stipulation or a rehydration clause for any potential bout against Callum Smith, then it tarnishes his image, due to his prior criticism of other fighters that employed similar antics.

You should refrain from applying double-standards. Your rules have to be applied consistently.

[ewenhay]

GGG would straight jump to smw to fight the champion, no other preparation fights at smw , not catch-weights! I think it's pretty fair for GGG that a very big smw like Callum to have a 10 pounds rehydration clause.

But its bogus then.

You've got to dare to be great.

Or stay in your own division if you're not big enough to move up

[apollo creed]

Are you suggesting that GGG was being insincere when he mentioned those names and made those claims solely for publicity purposes?

How can you insinuate about GGG doing that when this guy fought the best fighters in his division ??

GGG didn’t face the very best of his division.

You re a joke old man. Go to sleep. Yeah right, Canelo and Jacobs are not the very best in the mw division.

[Enlightened-One]

How can you insinuate about GGG doing that when this guy fought the best fighters in his division ??

GGG didn’t face the very best of his division.

You re a joke old man. Go to sleep. Yeah right, Canelo and Jacobs are not the very best in the mw division.

Quote my entire post, not just a snippet of it.

[apollo creed]

By Empty One's moronic standards GGG should've built a time machine and go back in time to fight prime Monzon, Hagler, SRL, Duran, RJJ, Toney etc to meet his delusional standards.