GREATEST BOXERS

[Migz]

Guys I know this topic has been done to complete DEATH AND BACK!
But ive been making my top ten lists now for two years occassionally picking and taking out fighter from my list until i get it right, im quite happy with what i have now but id like to see what a lot of you guys think. Thanks for your help and sorry again for overdoing this topic!

1. SUGAR RAY ROBINSON (173-19-6) - Without question the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time who was welterweight champion and five time middleweight champion, whose career lasted over 20 years. He had all the skills of a perfect boxer, power, skill, speed, concentration and stamina and never in 202 bouts ever took a ten count.

2. Muhammad Ali- (56-5-0) Perhaps the greatest icon of the sport was Ali he brought amazement and charisma to the sport and created two of the biggest upsets in boxing against the fearless Sonny Liston and George Foreman. He won the heavyweight title three times.

3. Joe Louis- (69-3-0) Known as the brown bomber. He was the longest reigning heavyweight champ off all time and made the most defenses from which he reign for 11 years and made 25 successful defenses. He had power in both fists with a stinging jab and his willing to challenge any fighter anytime.

4. Henry Armstrong- (151-21-10) the only man to hold three world titles in different weights at exactly the same time. He won titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. After losing the featherweight and lightweight titles made 20 successful defenses of the welterweight title. He is known for his all out style attack and great speed and stamina.

5. Sugar Ray Leonard- (36-3-1) Leonard won the world welterweight title and was the stand-out fighter of his era. Having avenged Roberto Duran, he returned from a three-year lay-off to shock middleweight king Marvin Hagler and won world titles at five different weights. Also beat Thomas Hearns.

6. Roberto Duran- (103-16-0) had speed, power, stamina and defences and held the world lightweight title for seven years, defending it 12 times before stepping up to welterweight. He won the welterweight crown from Sugar Ray. Also won the world light middleweight and middleweight belts.

7. Willie Pep- (230-11-1) the only fighter to win a round without throwing a punch held the featherweight title for six years and was 135-1-1 at one point in his career. Is remembered for his battles with Sandy Saddler in which he lost three but and won one but Pep was at the top of his game for longer.

8. Carlos Monzon- (87-3-9) Monzon held the world middleweight crown for seven years, made 14 defences and was unbeaten for the last 81 fights and 13 years of his career. He was possibly the greatest pure middleweight of all.

9. Harry Greb- (261-21-15) was world middleweight champ from 1923-26. Known as the human windmill because of his endless attack Greb had 300 fights and was only knocked out once, when he had a broken arm. He beat many light heavyweight and even heavyweight champs and was the only man to beat the great Gene Tunney. He fought his whole career with one blind eye. Also won the American Light Heavyweight title. And fought over 300 fights in a 13 year career.

10. Ezzard Charles- (89-25-1) Charles beat four light heavyweight world champions, including the great Archie Moore and Joey Maxim three times each, but was never granted a title shot at light heavyweight. Won the world heavyweight titles from Joe Louis, defended four times and nearly regained the title in his 100th bout at the age of 33 against a prime Rocky Marciano.
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[-KOKid-]

Good list, or at least I don't disagree too much with it.
I have 8 of those 10 fighters in my own P4P ranking.
Instead of Leonard and Monzon I have Benny Leonard and Archie Moore.

-KOKid-

[DoubleM]

Good effort. Here are mine, based mostly on accomplishments (not counting historical impact):

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Ray Robinson
3. Harry Greb
4. Willie Pep
5. Roberto Duran
6. Benny Leonard
7. Jimmy Wilde
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Eder Jofre
10. Archie Moore

11. Carlos Monzon
12. Joe Gans
13. Marvelous Marvin
14. Muhammad Ali
15. Joe Louis

Sorry Langford fans. He's #16.

[adspath]

Guys I know this topic has been done to complete DEATH AND BACK!
But ive been making my top ten lists now for two years occassionally picking and taking out fighter from my list until i get it right, im quite happy with what i have now but id like to see what a lot of you guys think. Thanks for your help and sorry again for overdoing this topic!

1. SUGAR RAY ROBINSON (173-19-6) - Without question the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time who was welterweight champion and five time middleweight champion, whose career lasted over 20 years. He had all the skills of a perfect boxer, power, skill, speed, concentration and stamina and never in 202 bouts ever took a ten count.

2. Muhammad Ali- (56-5-0) Perhaps the greatest icon of the sport was Ali he brought amazement and charisma to the sport and created two of the biggest upsets in boxing against the fearless Sonny Liston and George Foreman. He won the heavyweight title three times.

3. Joe Louis- (69-3-0) Known as the brown bomber. He was the longest reigning heavyweight champ off all time and made the most defenses from which he reign for 11 years and made 25 successful defenses. He had power in both fists with a stinging jab and his willing to challenge any fighter anytime.

4. Henry Armstrong- (151-21-10) the only man to hold three world titles in different weights at exactly the same time. He won titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. After losing the featherweight and lightweight titles made 20 successful defenses of the welterweight title. He is known for his all out style attack and great speed and stamina.

5. Sugar Ray Leonard- (36-3-1) Leonard won the world welterweight title and was the stand-out fighter of his era. Having avenged Roberto Duran, he returned from a three-year lay-off to shock middleweight king Marvin Hagler and won world titles at five different weights. Also beat Thomas Hearns.

6. Roberto Duran- (103-16-0) had speed, power, stamina and defences and held the world lightweight title for seven years, defending it 12 times before stepping up to welterweight. He won the welterweight crown from Sugar Ray. Also won the world light middleweight and middleweight belts.

7. Willie Pep- (230-11-1) the only fighter to win a round without throwing a punch held the featherweight title for six years and was 135-1-1 at one point in his career. Is remembered for his battles with Sandy Saddler in which he lost three but and won one but Pep was at the top of his game for longer.

8. Carlos Monzon- (87-3-9) Monzon held the world middleweight crown for seven years, made 14 defences and was unbeaten for the last 81 fights and 13 years of his career. He was possibly the greatest pure middleweight of all.

9. Harry Greb- (261-21-15) was world middleweight champ from 1923-26. Known as the human windmill because of his endless attack Greb had 300 fights and was only knocked out once, when he had a broken arm. He beat many light heavyweight and even heavyweight champs and was the only man to beat the great Gene Tunney. He fought his whole career with one blind eye. Also won the American Light Heavyweight title. And fought over 300 fights in a 13 year career.

10. Ezzard Charles- (89-25-1) Charles beat four light heavyweight world champions, including the great Archie Moore and Joey Maxim three times each, but was never granted a title shot at light heavyweight. Won the world heavyweight titles from Joe Louis, defended four times and nearly regained the title in his 100th bout at the age of 33 against a prime Rocky Marciano.
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i havnt seen too many fights from the boxers in this list (Ezzard Charles, Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong) so don't get annoyed if their not in there because im not putting in people i havnt judged yet.

1 - Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Muhammad Ali
3 - Roberto Duran
4 - Joe Louis
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard
6 - Carlos Monzon
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Alexis Arguello
9 - Marvin Hagler
10 - Need to decide, some advice would be good

[Migz]

Guys I know this topic has been done to complete DEATH AND BACK!
But ive been making my top ten lists now for two years occassionally picking and taking out fighter from my list until i get it right, im quite happy with what i have now but id like to see what a lot of you guys think. Thanks for your help and sorry again for overdoing this topic!

1. SUGAR RAY ROBINSON (173-19-6) - Without question the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time who was welterweight champion and five time middleweight champion, whose career lasted over 20 years. He had all the skills of a perfect boxer, power, skill, speed, concentration and stamina and never in 202 bouts ever took a ten count.

2. Muhammad Ali- (56-5-0) Perhaps the greatest icon of the sport was Ali he brought amazement and charisma to the sport and created two of the biggest upsets in boxing against the fearless Sonny Liston and George Foreman. He won the heavyweight title three times.

3. Joe Louis- (69-3-0) Known as the brown bomber. He was the longest reigning heavyweight champ off all time and made the most defenses from which he reign for 11 years and made 25 successful defenses. He had power in both fists with a stinging jab and his willing to challenge any fighter anytime.

4. Henry Armstrong- (151-21-10) the only man to hold three world titles in different weights at exactly the same time. He won titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. After losing the featherweight and lightweight titles made 20 successful defenses of the welterweight title. He is known for his all out style attack and great speed and stamina.

5. Sugar Ray Leonard- (36-3-1) Leonard won the world welterweight title and was the stand-out fighter of his era. Having avenged Roberto Duran, he returned from a three-year lay-off to shock middleweight king Marvin Hagler and won world titles at five different weights. Also beat Thomas Hearns.

6. Roberto Duran- (103-16-0) had speed, power, stamina and defences and held the world lightweight title for seven years, defending it 12 times before stepping up to welterweight. He won the welterweight crown from Sugar Ray. Also won the world light middleweight and middleweight belts.

7. Willie Pep- (230-11-1) the only fighter to win a round without throwing a punch held the featherweight title for six years and was 135-1-1 at one point in his career. Is remembered for his battles with Sandy Saddler in which he lost three but and won one but Pep was at the top of his game for longer.

8. Carlos Monzon- (87-3-9) Monzon held the world middleweight crown for seven years, made 14 defences and was unbeaten for the last 81 fights and 13 years of his career. He was possibly the greatest pure middleweight of all.

9. Harry Greb- (261-21-15) was world middleweight champ from 1923-26. Known as the human windmill because of his endless attack Greb had 300 fights and was only knocked out once, when he had a broken arm. He beat many light heavyweight and even heavyweight champs and was the only man to beat the great Gene Tunney. He fought his whole career with one blind eye. Also won the American Light Heavyweight title. And fought over 300 fights in a 13 year career.

10. Ezzard Charles- (89-25-1) Charles beat four light heavyweight world champions, including the great Archie Moore and Joey Maxim three times each, but was never granted a title shot at light heavyweight. Won the world heavyweight titles from Joe Louis, defended four times and nearly regained the title in his 100th bout at the age of 33 against a prime Rocky Marciano.
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i havnt seen too many fights from the boxers in this list (Ezzard Charles, Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong) so don't get annoyed if their not in there because im not putting in people i havnt judged yet.

1 - Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Muhammad Ali
3 - Roberto Duran
4 - Joe Louis
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard
6 - Carlos Monzon
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Alexis Arguello
9 - Marvin Hagler
10 - Need to decide, some advice would be good

Adam i understand your theory on rating fighters youve only seen fight, thats good. Umm i basically know the type of guys youve seen fight before i mean theres even Kid Gavilan, Carlos Ortiz, JC Chavez for example not evry1 is gonna agree with those names but if they make ur p4p list and you see them as the tops then include em!

[adspath]

Adam i understand your theory on rating fighters youve only seen fight, thats good. Umm i basically know the type of guys youve seen fight before i mean theres even Kid Gavilan, Carlos Ortiz, JC Chavez for example not evry1 is gonna agree with those names but if they make ur p4p list and you see them as the tops then include em![/quote]

Thanks for that, i like those 3. I would probaby put JC Chavez in there. Thanks. My last post, i dont want to flood this topic aswell lol

[Grimm]

Guys I know this topic has been done to complete DEATH AND BACK!
But ive been making my top ten lists now for two years occassionally picking and taking out fighter from my list until i get it right, im quite happy with what i have now but id like to see what a lot of you guys think. Thanks for your help and sorry again for overdoing this topic!

1. SUGAR RAY ROBINSON (173-19-6) - Without question the greatest pound for pound boxer of all time who was welterweight champion and five time middleweight champion, whose career lasted over 20 years. He had all the skills of a perfect boxer, power, skill, speed, concentration and stamina and never in 202 bouts ever took a ten count.

2. Muhammad Ali- (56-5-0) Perhaps the greatest icon of the sport was Ali he brought amazement and charisma to the sport and created two of the biggest upsets in boxing against the fearless Sonny Liston and George Foreman. He won the heavyweight title three times.

3. Joe Louis- (69-3-0) Known as the brown bomber. He was the longest reigning heavyweight champ off all time and made the most defenses from which he reign for 11 years and made 25 successful defenses. He had power in both fists with a stinging jab and his willing to challenge any fighter anytime.

4. Henry Armstrong- (151-21-10) the only man to hold three world titles in different weights at exactly the same time. He won titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. After losing the featherweight and lightweight titles made 20 successful defenses of the welterweight title. He is known for his all out style attack and great speed and stamina.

5. Sugar Ray Leonard- (36-3-1) Leonard won the world welterweight title and was the stand-out fighter of his era. Having avenged Roberto Duran, he returned from a three-year lay-off to shock middleweight king Marvin Hagler and won world titles at five different weights. Also beat Thomas Hearns.

6. Roberto Duran- (103-16-0) had speed, power, stamina and defences and held the world lightweight title for seven years, defending it 12 times before stepping up to welterweight. He won the welterweight crown from Sugar Ray. Also won the world light middleweight and middleweight belts.

7. Willie Pep- (230-11-1) the only fighter to win a round without throwing a punch held the featherweight title for six years and was 135-1-1 at one point in his career. Is remembered for his battles with Sandy Saddler in which he lost three but and won one but Pep was at the top of his game for longer.

8. Carlos Monzon- (87-3-9) Monzon held the world middleweight crown for seven years, made 14 defences and was unbeaten for the last 81 fights and 13 years of his career. He was possibly the greatest pure middleweight of all.

9. Harry Greb- (261-21-15) was world middleweight champ from 1923-26. Known as the human windmill because of his endless attack Greb had 300 fights and was only knocked out once, when he had a broken arm. He beat many light heavyweight and even heavyweight champs and was the only man to beat the great Gene Tunney. He fought his whole career with one blind eye. Also won the American Light Heavyweight title. And fought over 300 fights in a 13 year career.

10. Ezzard Charles- (89-25-1) Charles beat four light heavyweight world champions, including the great Archie Moore and Joey Maxim three times each, but was never granted a title shot at light heavyweight. Won the world heavyweight titles from Joe Louis, defended four times and nearly regained the title in his 100th bout at the age of 33 against a prime Rocky Marciano.

NO particular order.


Ray Robinson
Dominated lightweight champions to light heavyweight champions (just got tired). Beat great competition. No real weaknesses.

Joe Louis
Dominated the heavyweight division for years and has the record for most title defences. Great puncher.

Muhammad Ali
Fought the best competition. Beat great fighters took the sport to a new level.

Sandy Saddler
I consider him better than Pep. If you don't like it make your own list.
Constantly punching away. A great chin, and a lanky power puncher.

Willie Pep
Just flat out elusive you were lucky to graze him and would be more than lucky to catch him flush. Dominated featherweight even through an airplane crash.

Roberto Duran
Absolutely amazing, had great defense and incredible offense.

Ray Leonard
The real golden boy. Ray Leonard beat other great fighters 2 which are on my list. (Hagler and Duran).

Marvin Hagler
The man who I consider the best middleweight of all time.

Henry Armstrong
Held three titles in three divisions in a one year span. Now that is fuckin' amazing.

Larry Holmes
THE best jab of all time, second most title defenses very educated at boxing.

[Ezzard]

These guys really stand out for me in terms of accomplishments, ability, opponents and longevity.

Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sam Langford
Harry Greb
Ezzard Charles
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Archie Moore
Roberto Duran
Carlos Monzon

[Sovoth]

I'd be certainly interested to hear why most people don't rate Larry Holmes in their top 10.

Surely it must have something to do with his opposition during his 20-odd fight reight as World Champion.

I'm not a massive Holmes fan but I do have a soft spot for the guy and was just curious! :)

[DoubleM]

Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but no way should he be in the top ten. With all due respect, I think anyone who has Holmes in their top ten are probably quite new to classic boxing.

I mean, Larry Holmes' record doesn't even begin to compare with Ezzard Charles' or Eder Jofre's, for instance.

[Rory McCloskey]

I've always liked to hae Ali at #1 cause he dominated that 70's Heavyweight division which was one of the best divisions in any decade. i think he kinda loses somethign though cause he couldnt travel threw classes liek the smaller guys..but i dont think that makes him any less greater of a boxer?

[Grimm]

Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but no way should he be in the top ten. With all due respect, I think anyone who has Holmes in their top ten are probably quite new to classic boxing.

I mean, Larry Holmes' record doesn't even begin to compare with Ezzard Charles' or Eder Jofre's, for instance.

It is ten times better than Eder Jofre's Eder Jofre didn't beat anybody.

[DoubleM]

Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but no way should he be in the top ten. With all due respect, I think anyone who has Holmes in their top ten are probably quite new to classic boxing.

I mean, Larry Holmes' record doesn't even begin to compare with Ezzard Charles' or Eder Jofre's, for instance.

It is ten times better than Eder Jofre's Eder Jofre didn't beat anybody.

Spoken like a true novice.

[Tantum]

Spoken like a true novice.

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[Grimm]

Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but no way should he be in the top ten. With all due respect, I think anyone who has Holmes in their top ten are probably quite new to classic boxing.

I mean, Larry Holmes' record doesn't even begin to compare with Ezzard Charles' or Eder Jofre's, for instance.

It is ten times better than Eder Jofre's Eder Jofre didn't beat anybody.

Spoken like a true novice.

Which big name did he beat????

The only name he beat that I recognize is fighting Hararda

[DoubleM]

It is ten times better than Eder Jofre's Eder Jofre didn't beat anybody.

Spoken like a true novice.

Which big name did he beat????

The only name he beat that I recognize is fighting Hararda

Well no offense, but I wouldn't expect you to recognize them. But here goes:

Ranked top ten bantamweight contenders:

Danny Kid
Piero Rollo
Elloy Sanchez
Johnny Caldwell
Jose Medel
Katsutoshi Aoki
Herman Marques
Bernardo Carabello

Ranked top ten featherweight contenders:

Shig Fukuyama
Jose Legra
Octavio Gomez
Jose Antonio Jiminez

These guys are equivalent to your Bonecrusher Smiths, Mike Weavers, Trevor Berbicks and Tim Witherspoons... At least. With all due respect... Just because you haven't heard of a fighter, it doesn't mean to say they were not good. Bantamweights are pretty obscure compared to heavyweights.

Then there was, of course, the great Hall of Famer Vicente Salvidar, whom Jofre beat while far past his best.

That's the thing about Jofre. While his competition was not in the same class as say, Ezzard Charles' or Harry Greb's, he just totally outclassed them and beat some very good fighters while way past his best and above his natural weight class. Check out how he came back from a long lay off to become the featherweight champion. How the only two defeats of his career came to an excellent fighter, while Jofre was struggling to make weight and left himself tired and weak. 72-2-4... That's some record.

[pundit]

These guys really stand out for me in terms of accomplishments, ability, opponents and longevity.

Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sam Langford
Harry Greb
Ezzard Charles
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Archie Moore
Roberto Duran
Carlos Monzon

Excellent list.
(I give away my post # 2000 for this!)

[Grimm]

Spoken like a true novice.

Which big name did he beat????

The only name he beat that I recognize is fighting Hararda

Well no offense, but I wouldn't expect you to recognize them. But here goes:

Ranked top ten bantamweight contenders:

Danny Kid
Piero Rollo
Elloy Sanchez
Johnny Caldwell
Jose Medel
Katsutoshi Aoki
Herman Marques
Bernardo Carabello

Ranked top ten featherweight contenders:

Shig Fukuyama
Jose Legra
Octavio Gomez
Jose Antonio Jiminez

These guys are equivalent to your Bonecrusher Smiths, Mike Weavers, Trevor Berbicks and Tim Witherspoons... At least. With all due respect... Just because you haven't heard of a fighter, it doesn't mean to say they were not good. Bantamweights are pretty obscure compared to heavyweights.

Yes his record as far as numbers was good. 72-2 but beating a bunch of bums(1 or 2 exceptions) in your hometown who may or may not have been ranked does not get you top ten p4p all time.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Then there was, of course, the great Hall of Famer Vicente Salvidar, whom Jofre beat while far past his best.

vincente was past his best too

[DoubleM]

Which big name did he beat????

The only name he beat that I recognize is fighting Hararda

Well no offense, but I wouldn't expect you to recognize them. But here goes:

Ranked top ten bantamweight contenders:

Danny Kid
Piero Rollo
Elloy Sanchez
Johnny Caldwell
Jose Medel
Katsutoshi Aoki
Herman Marques
Bernardo Carabello

Ranked top ten featherweight contenders:

Shig Fukuyama
Jose Legra
Octavio Gomez
Jose Antonio Jiminez

These guys are equivalent to your Bonecrusher Smiths, Mike Weavers, Trevor Berbicks and Tim Witherspoons... At least. With all due respect... Just because you haven't heard of a fighter, it doesn't mean to say they were not good. Bantamweights are pretty obscure compared to heavyweights.

Yes his record as far as numbers was good. 72-2 but beating a bunch of bums(1 or 2 exceptions) in your hometown who may or may not have been ranked does not get you top ten p4p all time.

Bums? Take it you only read half my post then. Those 'bums' were actually top bantamweights of the time... At least as good as Witherspoon, Berbick, Weaver and co. They were just less well known because well, in general, the lighter guys are less popular.

Jeez. I mean if you want to start picking a great fighter apart, I can do that to Larry Holmes too. Who says Holmes beat better competition anyway? His whole title reign opposition was full of inexperience. 13-0-0, 24-0-1, 18-1-1, 10-2-2, 22-0-0, 10-0-0, 14-1-0, 15-0-0, 21-2-0, 25-0-0, 14-0-0, 16-0-0, 27-0-0... I mean come on. If you want to criticize anybody, criticize Holmes. At least Jofre's opposition had some fights under their belts.

I would prefer it if you didn't call any fighter a 'bum'. But if you want to call someone a bum, pick Lorenzo Zanon as your target, Tex Cobb, Scott LeDoux, Ossie Ocasio or some of the other title challengers from Holmes' reign.

[DoubleM]

Then there was, of course, the great Hall of Famer Vicente Salvidar, whom Jofre beat while far past his best.

vincente was past his best too

Salvidar was three years past his best and still in his natural weight class... Jofre was ten years past his best and above his natural weight class... Jofre whacked him.

[Grimm]

Bums? Take it you only read half my post then. Those 'bums' were actually top bantamweights of the time... At least as good as Witherspoon, Berbick, Weaver and co. They were just less well known because well, in general, the lighter guys are less popular.

Jeez. I mean if you want to start picking a great fighter apart, I can do that to Larry Holmes too. Who says Holmes beat better competition anyway? His whole title reign opposition was full of inexperience. 13-0-0, 24-0-1, 18-1-1, 10-2-2, 22-0-0, 10-0-0, 14-1-0, 15-0-0, 21-2-0, 25-0-0, 14-0-0, 16-0-0, 27-0-0... I mean come on. If you want to criticize anybody, criticize Holmes. At least Jofre's opposition had some fights under their belts.

I would prefer it if you didn't call any fighter a 'bum'. But if you want to call someone a bum, pick Lorenzo Zanon as your target, Tex Cobb, Scott LeDoux, Ossie Ocasio or some of the other title challengers from Holmes' reign.

Atleast the numbers you put up there have decent records.

Alot of Jofre's opponents were past there best had an ass load of losses or very little fights.

He fought guys with records like 0-0-0,11-4-2,19-8-1,41-17-2,46-27-1,47-22, 4-10-1.

The guys Holmes fought were not as bad as this in any way.

[MEISINGER]

Larry Holmes is an all time great,even an all time pound for pound great.
Where on the list I would guess top 25 pound for pound.Larry had only one fault as a fighter.He did not cater to the media and fans.So he will never get the recognition that he so rightly has earned.
I would not want to list a top 10 for several reasons.#1 being ignorant smart ass' who think that there oppinion is the only one that matters.
Some fans think they know boxing because they spend all day on forums
soaking up useless trivial knowledge,and do not examine a fighters skill.

[Borinken25]

These guys really stand out for me in terms of accomplishments, ability, opponents and longevity.

Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sam Langford
Harry Greb
Ezzard Charles
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Archie Moore
Roberto Duran
Carlos Monzon

Agree with that list and I would add:
Ali, Whitaker, and Hagler.

[DoubleM]

Bums? Take it you only read half my post then. Those 'bums' were actually top bantamweights of the time... At least as good as Witherspoon, Berbick, Weaver and co. They were just less well known because well, in general, the lighter guys are less popular.

Jeez. I mean if you want to start picking a great fighter apart, I can do that to Larry Holmes too. Who says Holmes beat better competition anyway? His whole title reign opposition was full of inexperience. 13-0-0, 24-0-1, 18-1-1, 10-2-2, 22-0-0, 10-0-0, 14-1-0, 15-0-0, 21-2-0, 25-0-0, 14-0-0, 16-0-0, 27-0-0... I mean come on. If you want to criticize anybody, criticize Holmes. At least Jofre's opposition had some fights under their belts.

I would prefer it if you didn't call any fighter a 'bum'. But if you want to call someone a bum, pick Lorenzo Zanon as your target, Tex Cobb, Scott LeDoux, Ossie Ocasio or some of the other title challengers from Holmes' reign.

Atleast the numbers you put up there have decent records.

Alot of Jofre's opponents were past there best had an ass load of losses or very little fights.

He fought guys with records like 0-0-0,11-4-2,19-8-1,41-17-2,46-27-1,47-22, 4-10-1.

The guys Holmes fought were not as bad as this in any way.

You do know that Boxrec, while a valuable tool, is extremely incomplete... Right? Some of those fighters with bad looking records probably had a shitload of fights that went unrecorded.

But what do they matter? Duran fought a load of 'bums', so did Robinson, Greb... Like Jofre, they also beat the ones that counted, and that's all that matters.