Mikey Garcia is daring to be great by fighting Spence but if he will lose then he'd go back to 135 and face Loma?

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Mikey Garcia is daring to be great by fighting Spence but if he will lose then he'd go back to 135 and face Loma?

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I mean if Mikey will get "Brooked" by Spence people would say that it wasn't such a big surprise but then would Mikey still be able to go down at 135 to fight Loma?
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He'd fight loma in a second. Easier fight for him, he and arum aren't doing business together unless it's massive. Going to take time.
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Just wonder if he'd be able to make 135 healthy?
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Brook definitely wasn't the same fighter after he got beat by GGG and then drain himself to make 147 for Spence.
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apollo creed wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 12:44 Just wonder if he'd be able to make 135 healthy?
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apollo creed wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 12:46 Brook definitely wasn't the same fighter after he got beat by GGG and then drain himself to make 147 for Spence.
Brook was cutting a ton to make 147. That wasn't a scenario where he was bulking up. I don't know that he isn't the same fighter, if he isn't it would be more from his broken faces. 135 is Mikey's best weight.
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Re: Mikey Garcia is daring to be great by fighting Spence but if he will lose then he'd go back to 135 and face Loma?

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apollo creed wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 12:44 Just wonder if he'd be able to make 135 healthy?
I don’t thinkGarcia would put too much muscle on at WW. He doesn’t even have to weigh 147 pounds. I think he should come in around 142 pounds. Use that speed of his. I believe Man Pac-Man weight 144 pounds or something against Margareto when he won the 154 pound belt.
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Agreed, I don't know that Mikey is faster.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 16:29 Agreed, I don't know that Mikey is faster.
totally agree...so many ppl just assumng garcia wll have some big speed advantage becuase hes smaller.....but honestly hes not that fast handed and im not sure hell have any serous speed advantage vs top 147 guys. hes very sharp but not that fast
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jamamb wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 16:32
Onetimeonly wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 16:29 Agreed, I don't know that Mikey is faster.
totally agree...so many ppl just assumng garcia wll have some big speed advantage becuase hes smaller.....but honestly hes not that fast handed and im not sure hell have any serous speed advantage vs top 147 guys. hes very sharp but not that fast
He's accurate and has great footwork but I'll be surprised if he's as fast as Spence. Mikey is fixing to get his ass whooped.
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I think Garcia has been brilliant. Not sure he would win either fight though
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Garcia gives up size, strength and speed to Spence but if bouncing back & forth between divisions doesnt drain his body too much, I think he will beat Loma. But I would much rather see him fight Loma first. A win over Loma would also financially boost a megafight with Spence, but I give Mikey little chance to beat Spence no matter WHEN he fights him.
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Best Coast wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 18:33 Garcia gives up size, strength and speed to Spence but if bouncing back & forth between divisions doesnt drain his body too much, I think he will beat Loma. But I would much rather see him fight Loma first. A win over Loma would also financially boost a megafight with Spence, but I give Mikey little chance to beat Spence no matter WHEN he fights him.
Agreed 100%. I don't like Garcia moving up to face Spence. I don't see any good coming out of it.
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Best Coast wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 18:33 Garcia gives up size, strength and speed to Spence but if bouncing back & forth between divisions doesnt drain his body too much, I think he will beat Loma. But I would much rather see him fight Loma first. A win over Loma would also financially boost a megafight with Spence, but I give Mikey little chance to beat Spence no matter WHEN he fights him.
Totally agree, Spence could beat them both on the same day. A body puncher like that is aided by a size advantage.
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I'm with you guys that believe Spence is just too much for Mikey. But, I hold Mikey and his team in extremely high regard. Saying that I mean, they are no fools. They must see something they can exploit in Spence to take on such a task. So, while I would put my money on Spence, I'm interested in seeing Mikey's game plan coming into this one.
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Impractical Poster wrote: 24 Nov 2018, 20:29 I'm with you guys that believe Spence is just too much for Mikey. But, I hold Mikey and his team in extremely high regard. Saying that I mean, they are no fools. They must see something they can exploit in Spence to take on such a task. So, while I would put my money on Spence, I'm interested in seeing Mikey's game plan coming into this one.
I respect Mikey and his team for their courage, and for taking the opportunity for a big money fight, but make no mistake Mikey will get smacked around. This is the type of fight where Errol is going to want to make an example of Mikey who will be a great name on his resume. I think Mikey and his team see what everyone else see's, Errol gets hit with good shots from time to time, and he thinks he land those shots and box and move against Errol. The problem is he won't have the speed advantage he thinks, and Errol is a MUCH better boxer then he thinks. Mikey and his team are going to be surprised when the Spence fight goes south on them.
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Probably Mikey would hit Spence's nuts multiple times with a help of the referee. I think this is what they saw as a weakness to be exploited at Spence. If Mikey saw some flaws at Errol in the Brook and Peterson fights he's misleading himself because he should've seen how it ended those fights too.
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To my eye Garcia does have a speed advantage over Spence. He is slower as a lightweight than Spence is as a welterweight so it's not clear. Timing beats speed anyway and Garcia is a better boxer than Spence. But they have weight divisions for a reason - we saw in the Lipinets fight that Mikey had a harder time just based on being smaller. If Spence was a lightweight i'd favour Garcia.
This may end up looking like Cotto v Margarito 1, Garcia looking very good and making Spence miss then countering until halfway but having to work so hard that he slows down and takes a beating in the later rounds for a late stoppage.
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