Fury not ready enough for Wilder?

[oogiebe]

Soooooooo let's move forward shall we!?

[ironbeard]

I take Fury at his word on this subject; he is as ready as he has ever been (or likely will be).

[oogiebe]

I take Fury at his word on this subject; he is as ready as he has ever been (or likely will be).

All this talk about Fury's boxing acumen goes out the window around round 5 or 6. Wilder KO win.

[oogiebe]

Very eloquent. Gil is just one of a good many posters on this forum whom I respect irrespective of whether we agree on a particular issue or not.

If you ever start contributing something to a discussion rather than just dropping in spiteful little one-liners then you might even join them, but I'm not holding my breath.

The respect of a biased hypocrite isn't high on my to do list. Thanks anyway.

Gil's a big boy and can speak up for himself.

[Onetimeonly]

Very eloquent. Gil is just one of a good many posters on this forum whom I respect irrespective of whether we agree on a particular issue or not.

If you ever start contributing something to a discussion rather than just dropping in spiteful little one-liners then you might even join them, but I'm not holding my breath.

The respect of a biased hypocrite isn't high on my to do list. Thanks anyway.

Gil's a big boy and can speak up for himself.

Gil couldn't care less, nothing wrong with calling someone on a statement. If there was no truth to it a certain someone wouldn't get so defensive. Slim is the same way with wilder. Ironically Gil struggles with wilder too.For that matter why would you propose moving on and then bring it back up?

[oogiebe]

The respect of a biased hypocrite isn't high on my to do list. Thanks anyway.

Gil's a big boy and can speak up for himself.

Gil couldn't care less, nothing wrong with calling someone on a statement. If there was no truth to it a certain someone wouldn't get so defensive. Slim is the same way with wilder. Ironically Gil struggles with wilder too.For that matter why would you propose moving on and then bring it back up?

I hadn't seen that particular post and felt compelled to reply. In all honesty I did get a kick out of your's and Slim's back and forth.

[ironbeard]

I take Fury at his word on this subject; he is as ready as he has ever been (or likely will be).

All this talk about Fury's boxing acumen goes out the window around round 5 or 6. Wilder KO win.

All I am saying is that Fury as ready as he could ever be for Wilder. Whether or not it is enough is a separate issue.

[ironbeard]

Gil's a big boy and can speak up for himself.

Gil couldn't care less, nothing wrong with calling someone on a statement. If there was no truth to it a certain someone wouldn't get so defensive. Slim is the same way with wilder. Ironically Gil struggles with wilder too.For that matter why would you propose moving on and then bring it back up?

I hadn't seen that particular post and felt compelled to reply. In all honesty I did get a kick out of your's and Slim's back and forth.

You actually read The Great Wall Of Skinny Sweets?!

[oogiebe]

I take Fury at his word on this subject; he is as ready as he has ever been (or likely will be).

All this talk about Fury's boxing acumen goes out the window around round 5 or 6. Wilder KO win.

All I am saying is that Fury as ready as he could ever be for Wilder. Whether or not it is enough is a separate issue.

I got that. I'm just reiterating my view of the fight.

[adislav123]

Duhaupas, szplika, stiverne 1, ortiz... watch those fights! Then tell me how this boxer should have any chance against fury.
Watch fury vs. Hammer, cunningham, mcdermott, chisora x2! I just don't get it and said it multiple times: if fury doesn't stop moving and literally standing still invites the bomber to take him out while walking into the shot with his hands down... no chance in hell wilder beats fury!

Fury beats wilder 10 out of 10 times, every damn day of the week & twice on saturday & sunday!

[Onetimeonly]

Gil's a big boy and can speak up for himself.

Gil couldn't care less, nothing wrong with calling someone on a statement. If there was no truth to it a certain someone wouldn't get so defensive. Slim is the same way with wilder. Ironically Gil struggles with wilder too.For that matter why would you propose moving on and then bring it back up?

I hadn't seen that particular post and felt compelled to reply. In all honesty I did get a kick out of your's and Slim's back and forth.

It's all fun to me.

[oogiebe]

Gil couldn't care less, nothing wrong with calling someone on a statement. If there was no truth to it a certain someone wouldn't get so defensive. Slim is the same way with wilder. Ironically Gil struggles with wilder too.For that matter why would you propose moving on and then bring it back up?

I hadn't seen that particular post and felt compelled to reply. In all honesty I did get a kick out of your's and Slim's back and forth.

It's all fun to me.

I can see that! You are relentless though!

[Onetimeonly]

I've been called much worse. That's a compliment in my industry.

[ironbeard]

Duhaupas, szplika, stiverne 1, ortiz... watch those fights! Then tell me how this boxer should have any chance against fury.
Watch fury vs. Hammer, cunningham, mcdermott, chisora x2! I just don't get it and said it multiple times: if fury doesn't stop moving and literally standing still invites the bomber to take him out while walking into the shot... no chance in hell wilder beats fury!

Fury beats wilder 10 out of 10 times, every damn day of the week & twice on saturday & sunday!

Let’s see if he beats him one time, shall we?

[oogiebe]

Duhaupas, szplika, stiverne 1, ortiz... watch those fights! Then tell me how this boxer should have any chance against fury.
Watch fury vs. Hammer, cunningham, mcdermott, chisora x2! I just don't get it and said it multiple times: if fury doesn't stop moving and literally standing still invites the bomber to take him out while walking into the shot... no chance in hell wilder beats fury!

Fury beats wilder 10 out of 10 times, every damn day of the week & twice on saturday & sunday!

Let’s see if he beats him one time, shall we?

Seriously!

[Rob3_142]

Duhaupas, szplika, stiverne 1, ortiz... watch those fights! Then tell me how this boxer should have any chance against fury.
Watch fury vs. Hammer, cunningham, mcdermott, chisora x2! I just don't get it and said it multiple times: if fury doesn't stop moving and literally standing still invites the bomber to take him out while walking into the shot with his hands down... no chance in hell wilder beats fury!

Fury beats wilder 10 out of 10 times, every damn day of the week & twice on saturday & sunday!

Haha give over man!

Are you referring to the cruiserweight [Cunningham] who put Fury on the deck? If that's the supposed barometer of Fury's likely success, I worry for your prediction.

I also am perplexed that you give Wilder 0% chance of victory, when in reality he has dished out knockouts in 39 of his 40 pro fights. Would that list of 39 really be considered formidable? Of course not. Was he even winning on the cards before the knockout in his last 10 fights? Not even close.

Fact of the matter is, Fury does not have a formidable chin, and Wilder's punching ability is well documented. You may well reference to Fury's elusiveness against Klitschko, but an N of 1 is hardly convincing evidence to support a theory. Wilder is far from a plodder, and has at least been active in the last 3 years, so the likelihood is he will catch his man at some point in the fight. Then what happens when he does? What does Fury do?

And finally, if you think that being largely inactive since 2015 is not a disadvantage, you are not qualified to provide a respectable opinion. I'm hoping for a competitive fight, but I expect Wilder can make short work of this if he wishes to.

[Rob3_142]

Yep. I always give Gil a pass on anything Fury related. Something about Tyson Fury grinds his gears, and that's fine. I get it.

'Something about Tyson Fury grinds his gears,' Could it possibly be any of the following?

Colossal amount of prefight boasting and promises time and time again but only delivering a huge lack of subsequent action. Playing the hard man when you're almost 7 foot tall, yet entering the ring with only 1 forward gear and 3 for reverse.

Avoided the Klitschko rematch at all costs. I bet Wlad would even agree to do it again now.

A controversial end to the drug test failure. Attempted to imply blackmail threats against UKAD.

Using mental health issues as a ready made excuse for his poor behaviour.

Many fighters, like the rest of us, have suffered from personal problems but prefer to address them privately. There are even rumours surrounding Wladimir's lacklustre performance against Fury himself, but so far Wlad has stoically kept his silence.
To make matters worse most, if not all of Fury's subsequent problems seem to have been self-inflicted.

A diabolical role model and ambassador for the sport that's made him a very wealthy man.

Continually playing the poor persecuted victim when challenged without once acknowledging his own shoddy behaviour towards fellow professional fighters.

Apart from that it's good to see him back in the ring, keeping busy, hopefully helping Deontay Wilder sharpen up for his showdown with Anthony Joshua next year.

That pretty much covers it. Maybe add his social media posts and homophobic rants?
Anyway, good work

Yep, let us not forget the homophobic, sexist, misogynistic and religious ramblings. He's hardly represented himself well as the 'people's champion' when it seems he doesn't actually like many people.

[Rob3_142]

Why would you say that?!

Slim despises wilder. Thinks wilder set up povetkin, runs the wbc, fears whyte, is only fighting fury because Tyson isn't ready, no credit for Ortiz, etc...

Despises is a very strong word, but I'm more indignant that you should accuse me of dishonesty. Am I dishonest with regard to my feelings about Wilder?. I don't think so, certainly not intentionally. I will wholeheartedly admit to being ambivalent about him, I might go so far as to say conflicted ...

I cannot bear to listen to him. His claims about being the best in the world and how he'd have beaten Mike Tyson etc do tend to stick in my throat. I don't find loudmouth braggarts appealing but I'll forgive them if they walk the walk. Yes I think he's an asshole with little class. Is it his fault? Probably not. Just because he's known to millions of fight-fans across the world doesn't mean he should be expected to be something he isn't.

Do I think he is overprotected? Without a doubt. His resume isn't bad at all were he just another contender, but he's been champion for four years and in that context his resume is very poor. I do believe his signature wins over Ortiz and I expect, Fury, were opponents selected on the basis of maximum kudos versus lowest risk. Ortiz because of his age and unimpressive recent outings, Fury because of his well documented troubles and inevitable unreadiness to face someone of Wilder's quality.

I gave and still give him massive credit for his win over Ortiz. He showed a champion's heart and an ability to withstand big punches and a sustained beating. I believe a younger Ortiz would have finished him though.

Do I think he fears Whyte?. Not personally, no but I do think those responsible for guiding his career believe Whyte is too big a risk. This is why they have consistently declined offers of twice what Wilder ever earned before. For the record I believe Wilder beats Whyte but it is a big risk for him.

Do I believe there was ever an intention that Wilder would defend his title in Moscow? I don't think so. Povetkin took a pretty innocuous substance which was perfectly legal and above board until the WBC decided it wasn't. They much later admitted it could not be determined whether Povetkin ingested Meldonium after the date it was banned. The fight was called off exactly one week before. Was Wilder in Moscow attending press conferences, giving interviews, generally getting acclimatized? No he was in Sheffield, England. When was intending to go to Russia? Did he have flight tickets? Did he have accomodation booked?

I keep reading bullshit about how I think Wilder runs the WBC. Of course he doesn't but he benefits greatly from the fact that Sulaiman dances to Al Haymon's tune. Dillian Whyte has shown his phone has a message from Wilder telling him, that he won't get a title shot for two years. Only the WBC can decide who Wilder faces and when, so either this is nonsense or it confirms that Haymon is pulling the strings. Given the shenanigans over the appointment of Breazeale as mandatory challenger, and the fact the mandatory hasn't even been called yet ... Gentlemen, place your bets.

I think that covers all the negatives. On the credit side I love to watch Wilder in the ring possibly more than anyone else.. I believe he is, despite technical deficiencies, one of the most effective heavyweight fighters in the world. He is extremely dangerous from start to finish, he is I believe the hardest puncher currently active in boxing. He just might be the hardest puncher of all-time but we can never know that so that is perhaps a pointless suggestion.

I desperately want him to fight Anthony Joshua which leaves me even more conflicted about the Fury fight, because on the one hand I really want Fury to win, there again if he does that makes Joshua v Wilder less likely and less meaningful.

One thing I can promise you. If Deontay announced that he was quitting the sport as of now because of his continuing problems with his hands, I would be as desperately upset as pretty much anyone on this forum. Although I don't much care for him as a man and I consider the WBC belt to have been held hostage, I do think the heavyweight scene would be far less exciting without Wilder and I am very happy that he is part of it.

That concludes the case for the defence. I leave it you to judge my guilt or innocence of the charges levelled against me by our learned friend.

[Rob3_142]

You don’t think that having accused me of dishonesty that you could at least consider the points I raised in my defence?. I appreciate it’s long but It’ll take a fraction of the time to read it than it took me to type it. It was your comment that provoked it after all.

I had hoped to have explained that any bias I have is not born out of malice but a considered reaction to what I see, both good and bad. You’ve made several snarky comments without ever having attempted to pick apart what I’ve said and explain why I’m wrong. Does this not raise questions about your own bias which can be positive or negative?

I could even question your honesty but I feel that Impugning someone’s integrity should be saved for things which are far more serious than their opinion of a sportsman ... don’t you?

Its not personal, I'll never read something that long on a message board. I'm sorry you wasted your time. At least I let you know so you won't in the future. Feel free to question anything you want, I promise it won't drag a million words out of me.

You're a prick. Is that short enough for you?

It would take any literate person 30-60 seconds to read Slim' s post, so to not do so is tantamount to conceding the argument.

[Mexi-Box]

Duhaupas, szplika, stiverne 1, ortiz... watch those fights! Then tell me how this boxer should have any chance against fury.
Watch fury vs. Hammer, cunningham, mcdermott, chisora x2! I just don't get it and said it multiple times: if fury doesn't stop moving and literally standing still invites the bomber to take him out while walking into the shot with his hands down... no chance in hell wilder beats fury!

Fury beats wilder 10 out of 10 times, every damn day of the week & twice on saturday & sunday!

Haha give over man!

Are you referring to the cruiserweight [Cunningham] who put Fury on the deck? If that's the supposed barometer of Fury's likely success, I worry for your prediction.

I also am perplexed that you give Wilder 0% chance of victory, when in reality he has dished out knockouts in 39 of his 40 pro fights. Would that list of 39 really be considered formidable? Of course not. Was he even winning on the cards before the knockout in his last 10 fights? Not even close.

Fact of the matter is, Fury does not have a formidable chin, and Wilder's punching ability is well documented. You may well reference to Fury's elusiveness against Klitschko, but an N of 1 is hardly convincing evidence to support a theory. Wilder is far from a plodder, and has at least been active in the last 3 years, so the likelihood is he will catch his man at some point in the fight. Then what happens when he does? What does Fury do?

And finally, if you think that being largely inactive since 2015 is not a disadvantage, you are not qualified to provide a respectable opinion. I'm hoping for a competitive fight, but I expect Wilder can make short work of this if he wishes to.

Not really that far. Wilder is athletic, but his foot-work is god-awful. Have you seen him fight? It's like watching a hippo on skates. Fury's footwork is superior. Wilder only has a puncher's chance.

Fury took away Klitschko's elite jab. Only way Wilder wins is if Fury is just so far gone due to his inactivity.

Also, Wilder got shook by Eric Molina. It isn't far-fetched that Fury could also stop Wilder.

[Rob3_142]

I have certainly watched Wilder box, on numerous occasions. His limitations are well documented, but he always gets the job done. Prime examples such as Washington and Szpilka outboxing him in the rounds leading to the knockout.

I think the only way Fury wins this fight is if he can go on the offensive, land some heavy shots on the American and ultimately get the knockout blow. Do I see it happening? No I don't. Fury is far from an offensive fighter and I believe lacks the power to trouble wilder.

I wouldn't get too carried away by the Molina 'buzzing', Wilder didn't look in that much trouble. Nothing more than a little wobble.

[ironbeard]

Why would you say that?!

Slim despises wilder. Thinks wilder set up povetkin, runs the wbc, fears whyte, is only fighting fury because Tyson isn't ready, no credit for Ortiz, etc...

Despises is a very strong word, but I'm more indignant that you should accuse me of dishonesty. Am I dishonest with regard to my feelings about Wilder?. I don't think so, certainly not intentionally. I will wholeheartedly admit to being ambivalent about him, I might go so far as to say conflicted ...

I cannot bear to listen to him. His claims about being the best in the world and how he'd have beaten Mike Tyson etc do tend to stick in my throat. I don't find loudmouth braggarts appealing but I'll forgive them if they walk the walk. Yes I think he's an asshole with little class. Is it his fault? Probably not. Just because he's known to millions of fight-fans across the world doesn't mean he should be expected to be something he isn't.

Do I think he is overprotected? Without a doubt. His resume isn't bad at all were he just another contender, but he's been champion for four years and in that context his resume is very poor. I do believe his signature wins over Ortiz and I expect, Fury, were opponents selected on the basis of maximum kudos versus lowest risk. Ortiz because of his age and unimpressive recent outings, Fury because of his well documented troubles and inevitable unreadiness to face someone of Wilder's quality.

I gave and still give him massive credit for his win over Ortiz. He showed a champion's heart and an ability to withstand big punches and a sustained beating. I believe a younger Ortiz would have finished him though.

Do I think he fears Whyte?. Not personally, no but I do think those responsible for guiding his career believe Whyte is too big a risk. This is why they have consistently declined offers of twice what Wilder ever earned before. For the record I believe Wilder beats Whyte but it is a big risk for him.

Do I believe there was ever an intention that Wilder would defend his title in Moscow? I don't think so. Povetkin took a pretty innocuous substance which was perfectly legal and above board until the WBC decided it wasn't. They much later admitted it could not be determined whether Povetkin ingested Meldonium after the date it was banned. The fight was called off exactly one week before. Was Wilder in Moscow attending press conferences, giving interviews, generally getting acclimatized? No he was in Sheffield, England. When was intending to go to Russia? Did he have flight tickets? Did he have accomodation booked?

I keep reading bullshit about how I think Wilder runs the WBC. Of course he doesn't but he benefits greatly from the fact that Sulaiman dances to Al Haymon's tune. Dillian Whyte has shown his phone has a message from Wilder telling him, that he won't get a title shot for two years. Only the WBC can decide who Wilder faces and when, so either this is nonsense or it confirms that Haymon is pulling the strings. Given the shenanigans over the appointment of Breazeale as mandatory challenger, and the fact the mandatory hasn't even been called yet ... Gentlemen, place your bets.

I think that covers all the negatives. On the credit side I love to watch Wilder in the ring possibly more than anyone else.. I believe he is, despite technical deficiencies, one of the most effective heavyweight fighters in the world. He is extremely dangerous from start to finish, he is I believe the hardest puncher currently active in boxing. He just might be the hardest puncher of all-time but we can never know that so that is perhaps a pointless suggestion.

I desperately want him to fight Anthony Joshua which leaves me even more conflicted about the Fury fight, because on the one hand I really want Fury to win, there again if he does that makes Joshua v Wilder less likely and less meaningful.

One thing I can promise you. If Deontay announced that he was quitting the sport as of now because of his continuing problems with his hands, I would be as desperately upset as pretty much anyone on this forum. Although I don't much care for him as a man and I consider the WBC belt to have been held hostage, I do think the heavyweight scene would be far less exciting without Wilder and I am very happy that he is part of it.

That concludes the case for the defence. I leave it you to judge my guilt or innocence of the charges levelled against me by our learned friend.

Ok, now I have suffered your drivel. You are utterly lacking in any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Wilder.

That ludicrously long failure of a post clearly illustrates your bias against Wilder and confirms that you are a much more disingenuous hater than Gil is.

Go ahead, construct another wall of words to rationalize your blind hate.

[Onetimeonly]

You don’t think that having accused me of dishonesty that you could at least consider the points I raised in my defence?. I appreciate it’s long but It’ll take a fraction of the time to read it than it took me to type it. It was your comment that provoked it after all.

I had hoped to have explained that any bias I have is not born out of malice but a considered reaction to what I see, both good and bad. You’ve made several snarky comments without ever having attempted to pick apart what I’ve said and explain why I’m wrong. Does this not raise questions about your own bias which can be positive or negative?

I could even question your honesty but I feel that Impugning someone’s integrity should be saved for things which are far more serious than their opinion of a sportsman ... don’t you?

Its not personal, I'll never read something that long on a message board. I'm sorry you wasted your time. At least I let you know so you won't in the future. Feel free to question anything you want, I promise it won't drag a million words out of me.

You're a prick. Is that short enough for you?

It would take any literate person 30-60 seconds to read Slim' s post, so to not do so is tantamount to conceding the argument.

Whatever you say. Ive read his conspiracies and propaganda many times before. It never changes no matter what is put forth. I'd much prefer to be an asshole than debate a wall.

[Enlightened-One]

[greg]

..none of them pics above impress..one still wonders if he's fit enough to last 12 rounds..