Is Wilder losing it?

[Boxerbeetle]

Ward, Crawford, Porter, Jacobs, Berto, Hurd, Miller.

All of those guys are articulate/well-spoken/can give interesting interviews. They're all African American - think only Ward is mixed race out of those. Mayweather, Wilder, Broner and the Charlo's probably do their repeating themselves, shouting louder and louder nonsense because they love the sound of their own voice and they're thick as shitt more than anything else.

Danny Jacobs is a very eloquent and intelligent man. One of the coolest men in the game.

Wilder isn’t stupid. I’ve heard him a few times speaking well. It’s when he starts trash talking.. it turns around.

Ah, but that’s not Wilder talking - it’s the Bronze Bomber

[Cyclops]

I think it was a bit low of him bringing race into it, to be honest.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Danny Jacobs is a very eloquent and intelligent man. One of the coolest men in the game.

Wilder isn’t stupid. I’ve heard him a few times speaking well. It’s when he starts trash talking.. it turns around.

Ah, but that’s not Wilder talking - it’s the Bronze Bomber

His alter ego

[Oiky]

Wilder is a proper sh*t talker

[Grilling Machine]

The only legit 'mind game win' I can think of is Collins v Eubank.

Yeah, I think mindgames is a bit much, but things have been said and done that carried into their fights somewhat. Ali's treatment of Frazier; Paret's of Griffith...

That isn't the case here. This is a Calzaghe-Hopkins.

[Grilling Machine]

You're underplaying mind games massively. Ali used to play them all the time, as did Tyson.

Prime Ali was exceptionally hard to beat, and prime Tyson was exceptionally scary. Their mindgames were really just reinforcements of known facts, relying on their opponents knowing how much their skills backed up their taunts. Those taunts were icing, not the cake.

People really wanted to beat Ali because of how mouthy he was, so he dialled that up to turn the screws. But the crux was that everyone knew how gifted he was, else his big mouth wouldn't have bothered anyone.

[Wa1nuts]

He's done an interview with the fella he was kicking off on now

[leejonesjnr]

Klitschko fight was the most obvious example. Wlad even admitted as much in the face to face discussion they had with Nelson for the second fight.

Mind games can play a huge part in any contest of they psychologically damage an opponent. There are examples of that in every sport.

Nah. His life outside of boxing was the real factor there.
Mind games are largely a waste of everyones time and have no negative effect on an opponent. Once in a while what one boxer says can get to another, but most of the time, nah. It can help a boxer to feel more positive and confident if he believes he is 'winning the mindgames' but as I said, in an overwhelming percentage of times, it means nothing.

You're underplaying mind games massively. Ali used to play them all the time, as did Tyson. Boxing is as much mental as physical at the highest level if not more so and mind games are an important part in some fighters being able to gain a psychological edge which then can have a huge impact on performance.

Nope.
Ali was the first boxer to really trash talk, but not the kind of faux gangster nonsense that people come out with today and generally with a bit of a twinkle in his eye which told us he knew he was just playing.
Tyson often won before the contest started but not through mind games, it was through a combination of real world reputation, intimidating physical presence and actual in ring performances.

[Grilling Machine]

I’m a Welshman, and I construct all my sentences exactly like Adrian Broner.

I talks like Adrian Broner I do

Broner's fans are sheep confirmed!

Danny Jacobs is a very eloquent and intelligent man. One of the coolest men in the game.

He is.

[Stuarty]

Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.

He's probably more bothered by his lack of fame than Fury. Tyson is a big step down from Ortiz, not sure what Wilder has to sweat.

And you wonder why someone started a thread asking if you were racist? This is a very poor comment to make

In all fairness most African Americans have got the same patter, its the same with most Eastern Europeans being quite steely eyed and quiet, I wouldn't say its racist personally, I cringe when I see the likes of Broner, Wilder, the Charlo's holler all that "yeah" and "that's right baby", and not coz their black its coz it doesn't mean anything, guys like Leonard and even Porter talk a lot more sense,

A lot of the Black UK guys are the same, especially the Londoners like Okolie and Yarde, the shite they waffle on twitter makes my cock shrivel into ,my stomach

Absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour, I blame the music personally, rappers and grime artists talk utter bollocks, guys from Hackney singing in an Amercian accent, not for me thanks

I get what you're both saying yeah. I don't have an issue with Rick's comment tbh. Too many people ready to jump on his back sometimes.

Why can't we just all get along

[KiwiRider]

Adrian Broner's fans are sheep confirmed!

What's that?
Is it a sexual preference?

[Grilling Machine]

Yeah, it's a tired old joke about the Welsh that lives on as a monumental cliche.

Like Boxerbeetle, we should be above it.

[Stuarty]

Yeah, it's a tired old joke about the Welsh that lives on as a monumental cliche.

Like Boxerbeetle, we should be above it.

Or behind it

[SteveDow]

Nah. His life outside of boxing was the real factor there.
Mind games are largely a waste of everyones time and have no negative effect on an opponent. Once in a while what one boxer says can get to another, but most of the time, nah. It can help a boxer to feel more positive and confident if he believes he is 'winning the mindgames' but as I said, in an overwhelming percentage of times, it means nothing.

You're underplaying mind games massively. Ali used to play them all the time, as did Tyson. Boxing is as much mental as physical at the highest level if not more so and mind games are an important part in some fighters being able to gain a psychological edge which then can have a huge impact on performance.

Nope.
Ali was the first boxer to really trash talk, but not the kind of faux gangster nonsense that people come out with today and generally with a bit of a twinkle in his eye which told us he knew he was just playing.
Tyson often won before the contest started but not through mind games, it was through a combination of real world reputation, intimidating physical presence and actual in ring performances.

Obviously people don't only win a contest through mind games otherwise anyone could potentially be a world champion but it's a tool that some fighters use effectively to gain a psychological edge which can impact performance. If you don't believe that then fine but it's a fact.

[leejonesjnr]

You're underplaying mind games massively. Ali used to play them all the time, as did Tyson. Boxing is as much mental as physical at the highest level if not more so and mind games are an important part in some fighters being able to gain a psychological edge which then can have a huge impact on performance.

Nope.
Ali was the first boxer to really trash talk, but not the kind of faux gangster nonsense that people come out with today and generally with a bit of a twinkle in his eye which told us he knew he was just playing.
Tyson often won before the contest started but not through mind games, it was through a combination of real world reputation, intimidating physical presence and actual in ring performances.

Obviously people don't only win a contest through mind games otherwise anyone could potentially be a world champion but it's a tool that some fighters use effectively to gain a psychological edge which can impact performance. If you don't believe that then fine but it's a fact.

I’m not saying it NEVER happens, I’m saying that it is very rare and people often say ‘mind games’ when they are describing foolish screaming and shouting and half witted one liners.
Collins v Eubank - mind games
Wilder v Fury - two divs getting themselves excited

[chinarich]

Nope.
Ali was the first boxer to really trash talk, but not the kind of faux gangster nonsense that people come out with today and generally with a bit of a twinkle in his eye which told us he knew he was just playing.
Tyson often won before the contest started but not through mind games, it was through a combination of real world reputation, intimidating physical presence and actual in ring performances.

Obviously people don't only win a contest through mind games otherwise anyone could potentially be a world champion but it's a tool that some fighters use effectively to gain a psychological edge which can impact performance. If you don't believe that then fine but it's a fact.

I’m not saying it NEVER happens, I’m saying that it is very rare and people often say ‘mind games’ when they are describing foolish screaming and shouting and half witted one liners.
Collins v Eubank - mind games
Wilder v Fury - two divs getting themselves excited

[Fray Bentos]

Wrong AGAIN RKY. (sigh).
Maybe you weren't being intentionally nasty - for once - and it was just the casual sort of racism that leaks out from time to time, but..
You assumed behaviour of a disparate group was determined by their skin colour - that's the very definition of racism.

Incorrect, ebonics is exclusive to african-american culture. Ever seen an inuit or welshman construct a sentence like Adrian Broner?

I’m a Welshman, and I construct all my sentences exactly like Adrian Broner.

[MF DOOM]

Every time I've met Fury it is like meeting a different person. Derek Chisora is similar, but I was stood there when Fury threw his shirt down at the O2 and Chisora was really shaken up. He lost the mental battle there and then.

Fury is difficult to read and you get the impression that anything is possible with him. I think Wilder has finally realised this and is trying to outdo Fury.

If Fury has got anything left he should piss this.

[skanksta]

Obviously people don't only win a contest through mind games otherwise anyone could potentially be a world champion but it's a tool that some fighters use effectively to gain a psychological edge which can impact performance. If you don't believe that then fine but it's a fact.

I’m not saying it NEVER happens, I’m saying that it is very rare and people often say ‘mind games’ when they are describing foolish screaming and shouting and half witted one liners.
Collins v Eubank - mind games
Wilder v Fury - two divs getting themselves excited

I think you underestimate mind games, though..

I lost a lot of money betting against B-Hop as he aged, before I realised..,
Everyone has the worst performance of their career against him ! And, that's no accident. He was amazing with the mind games - like a young Jose Mourinho nicking half a goal off the ref in the press conference - he somehow made the fight about him, his age, his lack of aging - he got inside his opponents heads for sure.
I don't think Fury's quite that level, but Wlad was terrible vs Fury and back to something like his best vs AJ - how do you explain that without mind games ?

Of course you need some talent as well - otherwise weedy 55 year old psychology professors would be beating AJ at Wenbley - but you only need to push an athlete a little out of their mental comfort-zone for them to have a bad night at the office.

[leejonesjnr]

I’m not saying it NEVER happens, I’m saying that it is very rare and people often say ‘mind games’ when they are describing foolish screaming and shouting and half witted one liners.
Collins v Eubank - mind games
Wilder v Fury - two divs getting themselves excited

I think you underestimate mind games, though..

I lost a lot of money betting against B-Hop as he aged, before I realised..,
Everyone
I don't think Fury's quite that level, but Wlad was terrible vs Fury and back to something like his best vs AJ - how do you explain that without mind games ?

Fairly simply.
If he had any respect at all for Tyson Fury he would have postponed the contest because of the turmoil in his personal life.
A man concerned about his wife and child flying from Austria to LA twice a week is not prepared for a world title fight, even against a man who doesn’t really belong in the same ring.

[Cyclops]

Every time I've met Fury it is like meeting a different person. Derek Chisora is similar, but I was stood there when Fury threw his shirt down at the O2 and Chisora was really shaken up. He lost the mental battle there and then.

Fury is difficult to read and you get the impression that anything is possible with him. I think Wilder has finally realised this and is trying to outdo Fury.

If Fury has got anything left he should piss this.

Interesting post.

[skanksta]

I think you underestimate mind games, though..

I lost a lot of money betting against B-Hop as he aged, before I realised..,
Everyone
I don't think Fury's quite that level, but Wlad was terrible vs Fury and back to something like his best vs AJ - how do you explain that without mind games ?

Fairly simply.
If he had any respect at all for Tyson Fury he would have postponed the contest because of the turmoil in his personal life.
A man concerned about his wife and child flying from Austria to LA twice a week is not prepared for a world title fight, even against a man who doesn’t really belong in the same ring.

Soo...
A small distraction like that can cause imperious champ Wlad Klitschko to lose against a guy “who shouldn’t even be in the same ring.”

If that’s true then you’re arguing FOR mind-games being the biggest factor of all !?

[bigjack]

I'm not sure about that. I think he's feeling it a bit. Remember he has never been in a fight remotely as big as this. At least Fury has had the experience of a big unification fight and may handle the occasion better. He's also a master of mind games.

Bang on. Fury spooked Haye out very badly, messed up the usually ice cool Wlad. And Wilder’s a bit freaked out by this nuts, fast talking, weird accent, quick witted brit who’s even taller than him I reckon he’s rattled

Wilder is rattled without a doubt,he's not experienced a fight of this magnitude and he's acting very strange.