Marks out of 100...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 12 May 2006, 08:58

For punching power. Not strength, or speed, or accuracy or how long they stayed explosive in a fight simply KO power. I'm really interested in your views. I know it's almost impossible to do with old timers but you can see their records and I'm only listing well known greats.

Sullivan
Jeffries
Johnson
Langford
Wills
Dempsey
Tunney
Sharkey
Schmeling
Louis
Marciano
Patterson
Johannsson
Liston
Williams
Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Lyle
Shavers
Holmes
Cooney
Witherspoon
Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis
Klitschko

Crikey, I only meant to post a few fighters but ended up with quite a few

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 12 May 2006, 11:15

Upper weight classes:
Ernie Shavers
Mike Tyson
Bob Foster
George Foreman
Rocky Marciano

Middle weight classes:
Thomas Hearns
John Mugabi
Sugar Ray Robinson
Felix Trinidad
Pipino Cuevas

lower weight classes:
Wilfredo Gomez
Edwin Rosario
Alexis Arguello
Naseem Hamed
Carlos Zarate

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 May 2006, 18:32

Witherspoon

why is he listed? who did he ever ko? whenever he faced world class fighters, most of the time he won on points

u left out jersey joe walcott but put tunney, witherspoon, schmeling and others?

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 13 May 2006, 18:10

Ezzard,
Do you want us to rank the guys you have listed, or add new guys, or what? Not sure what exactly you are asking.

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 14 May 2006, 06:08

Zarate and Shavers and Gomez are my favourite punchers..so its good to see em there altho not much of a surprise

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 15 May 2006, 04:21

Ambling Alp wrote:Ezzard,
Do you want us to rank the guys you have listed, or add new guys, or what? Not sure what exactly you are asking.

It was Friday afternoon. Just wanted to see how everyone ranked the list of fighters in punching power out of 100. 100 being the highest a 1 being the lowest.

Foreman might get 99
Tyson 93
Liston 95
Marciano 90
Louis 94
Holyfield 70
etc...

Really interested in the other guys like Sharkey, Ali, Holmes, Schmeling, Tunney, too...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 15 May 2006, 04:22

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Witherspoon
why is he listed? who did he ever ko? whenever he faced world class fighters, most of the time he won on points

u left out jersey joe walcott but put tunney, witherspoon, schmeling and others?

irrelevant...

Just mark Witherspoons KO power out of 100. The list I just amde up. maybe amke your own up. Put Walcott on. this is not a list of top punchers just HWs.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 15 May 2006, 05:24

Johnson 80
Langford 83 (Im only rating this as his HW)
Dempsey 95
Tunney 82
Sharkey 75
Schmeling 82
Louis 94
Marciano 96
Patterson 87
Johannsson 83
Liston 95
Williams
Ali 82
Frazier 90
Foreman 98
Lyle 90
Shavers 99
Holmes 85
Cooney 90
Witherspoon 80
Tyson 95
Holyfield 85
Bowe 92
Lewis 93
Klitschko 90

Dont totally rip me apart here, but this is my take on most. I sort of treated it like a video game where no HW drops below 75 for power.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 15 May 2006, 06:08

sockdollanger wrote:Johnson 80
Langford 83 (Im only rating this as his HW)
Dempsey 95
Tunney 82
Sharkey 75
Schmeling 82
Louis 94
Marciano 96
Patterson 87
Johannsson 83
Liston 95
Williams
Ali 82
Frazier 90
Foreman 98
Lyle 90
Shavers 99
Holmes 85
Cooney 90
Witherspoon 80
Tyson 95
Holyfield 85
Bowe 92
Lewis 93
Klitschko 90

Dont totally rip me apart here, but this is my take on most. I sort of treated it like a video game where no HW drops below 75 for power.

So just a 25 point psread for you then, Sock. I guess it depends upon how you use the system.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 15 May 2006, 06:26

Ezzard wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:Johnson 80
Langford 83 (Im only rating this as his HW)
Dempsey 95
Tunney 82
Sharkey 75
Schmeling 82
Louis 94
Marciano 96
Patterson 87
Johannsson 83
Liston 95
Williams
Ali 82
Frazier 90
Foreman 98
Lyle 90
Shavers 99
Holmes 85
Cooney 90
Witherspoon 80
Tyson 95
Holyfield 85
Bowe 92
Lewis 93
Klitschko 90

Dont totally rip me apart here, but this is my take on most. I sort of treated it like a video game where no HW drops below 75 for power.
So just a 25 point psread for you then, Sock. I guess it depends upon how you use the system.

yeah, I might re-do it using the full 100 points, but it runs into problems if you include lighter weights. Say Hagler is a "powerful" MW, he still wouldnt be as powerful as say Sharkey who is a not-so-strong HW. But because it is just HWs I can see your point.

barry · Post by **barry** » 16 May 2006, 02:17

Flat out punching power:

Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Peter Maher, Tommy Gomez, Bob Satterfield, Sonny Liston, Max Baer, Sam Langford, Danny Nardico, Archie Moore, Bob Murphy, Ray Actis, Mike Cleary, Florentino Fernandez, Stanley Ketchel, Julian Jackson, Thomas Hearns, John Mugabi, Rocky Graziano, In-Chul Baek, Jock McAvoy, Pipino Cuevas, Henry Armstrong, Felix Trinidad, "Barbados" Joe Walcott, Joe Gans, Roberto Duran, Billy Petrolle, Eric Boon, Terry McGovern, George Chaney, Jimmy Barry, Danny Lopez, Ruben Olivares, Aurelio Herrera, Wilfredo Gomez, Jimmy Wilde, Tommy Collins, Jaime Garza, Jesus Pimentel, Ricardo Moreno, Sandy Saddler, Alexis Arguello, Naseem Hamed, Khaosai Galaxy…and I’m sure that I am missing a lot of other names!

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 May 2006, 23:17

danny nardico! interesting choice barry. why do u pick him?

didnt marciano almost fight him in a title fight too? i remember there was some talk of a fight between nardico and him in 53-54. i think it was close to being signed too.

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 17 May 2006, 09:52

Ezzard For punching power. Not strength, or speed, or accuracy or how long they stayed explosive in a fight simply KO power. I'm really interested in your views. I know it's almost impossible to do with old timers but you can see their records and I'm only listing well known greats.

I see. This is tricky because styles can reflect KO's. Some guys sold out to attack, others prefer to set up the Ko shot by boxing. Here are my grades from 1-100, with 100 being the top score.

Sullivan - INC

Jeffries - 93 - When he caught his man, a full 10 count followed. Top hook and body puncher. Dangerous uppercut as well.

Johnson - 79 - Nice uppercut. Johnson could punch when he wanted too, but too cautious in the ring to rate much higher.

Langford -84 - A tough in your face brawler with skills. His hook and right had plenty of pop in the. A pound per pound puncher.

Wills - 84 - Big and strong. Good right.

Dempsey -94 - A tiger with terffic speed, power and killer instinct. The hook and right were his best shots.

Tunney - 65 - More of a boxer. Solid right hand.

Sharkey- 60 - Sharkey had problems with his hands.

Schmeling - 83 - His right hand was a real winner, but he did not always press for the KO.

Louis -93 - Could produce a Ko with the hook, cross or uppercut. Best in combinations.

Marciano - 91 - More of an attrition type of Ko artists. The Rock never stopped throwing punches.

Patterson - 84 - His left hook was very dangerous. A pound per pound type of puncher.

Johannsson - 85 - His right hand was very dangerous

Liston - 96 - Some think he hit harder than Foreman. Had power in every punch including the jab.

Williams - 88 - The Big Cat could swat with the best of them. The right was his best.

Ali - 78 - Under rated power, mostly with the cross.

Frazier - 88 - More of an attrition type of Ko artists. Great left hook.

Foreman - 98- A thunderous puncher and destroyer of heavyweights.

Lyle - 84 - Good enough to be classified as a puncher.

Shavers - 98 - Perhaps the best single shot guy in heavyweight history.

Holmes - 82 - Under rated power with his cross and uppercut.

Cooney - 93 - His left was a true equalizer

Witherspoon - 86 - He had lots of power in his right hand, but was lazy in the ring.

Tyson -99 - Tyson uppercut was near lethal. His hook was dynamite too. The right hand could also and things, and Tyson could rip the body as well. In my opinion, Tyson had the most single shot power in boxing history.

Holyfield - 73 - Solid power with the hook or right. Not a Ko puncher for the most part.

Bowe - 93 - Threw his uppercut and cross with tremendous leverage.

Lewis -96 - Lewis is a true right hand bomber. Dangerous uppercut too.

Klitschko- 93 - Vladimir has a top cross & seldom used but powerful hook.
Good speed and technique complements his power

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 17 May 2006, 10:46

suprised to see Tyson ahead of Shavers and Foreman on your list.

barry · Post by **barry** » 18 May 2006, 03:33

>>>danny nardico! interesting choice barry. why do u pick him?<<<

Nardico was a vicious puncher...one of the better punchers of the era though he never gets any mention nowadays. He really stopped LaMotta, but he also stopped some other tough guys and his punch was pretty feared by most light heavyweights of the era.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 18 May 2006, 18:05

Thought I would give this a try; 50 being considered average.

Sullivan 89
Jeffries 85
Johnson 80
Langford 84
Wills 84
Dempsey 92
Tunney 78
Sharkey 50
Schmeling 85
Louis 94
Marciano 93
Patterson 89
Johansson 90
Liston 92
Williams 88
Ali 83
Frazier 94
Foreman 98
Lyle 87
Shavers 99
Holmes 83
Cooney 89
Witherspoon 81
Tyson 97
Holyfield 82
Bowe 91
Lewis 93
Klitschko 92

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