ROUND BY ROUND: WILDER VS FURY - 1 December 2018

[deadpan]

There is only one Tyson Fury!

Thank God for that. 1 of that asshole is one too many as is.

I'm genuinely sorry that he deprived you of your desperate desire for a jump out of your chair KTFO 'wait till I point out I was right' moment with his inherent bad ass powers of recuperation. Insert futile emoticon here.

[Steveh583]

Villain? The mans a bloody hero. The people's champ

All depends on your tolerance for his Bible-derived views. He doesn't go around abusing LGBTs or anything, and I'll credit him for that, but I can't get behind someone with such opposing views to my own.

Floyd Patterson's gym had stained-glass windows — the full church works, but I loved him because of his humility and respect for everyone, whatever their sexuality or background. Fury's apparently not racist, which is more than can be said for some of his fans.

But yeah, if he's a hero to you for his clear bravery here, I've nothing to say about that.

Tyson fury is a teddy bear. A good man with a good heart. I'm not one for bible bashing either, but hey, people who get punched in the face for a living prob need a little faith.

There's no mean spiritedness in Fury whatsoever

[Realistic]

Even the blind Mexican judge gave TF the 7th!! That one point would have won him the fight. Unbelievable

[Fray Bentos]

Just seen the fight now on a delayed stream here in China.

Fury fought fantastically well - he boxed superbly and he basically neutralised Wilder on the inside - he had no idea what to do when Fury claimed him up close. which is why he couldn't take advantage of the knockdowns - Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ. it was a superb performance and for me Fury won the fight.

But it would take a person with a sunny disposition of optimism to think that an away fighter is going to The States to get a decision after getting up from two knockdowns (I was amazed that Fury wasn't counted out on the act of rising in the last round...) - as we all know, there is winning a fight and getting the decision. If you don't stop them inside the distance or knock them out then it is out of your hands. I think in hindsight and where it was held - a draw is as fair as decision as one should expect.

[gilgamesh]

There is only one Tyson Fury!

Thank God for that. 1 of that asshole is one too many as is.

I'm genuinely sorry that he deprived you of your desperate desire for a jump out of your chair KTFO 'wait till I point out I was right' moment with his inherent bad ass powers of recuperation. Insert futile emoticon here.

Yeah I'm sorry too. Such is Boxing though. Such is life

[gilgamesh]

Even the blind Mexican judge gave TF the 7th!! That one point would have won him the fight. Unbelievable

I don't see how the 7th could've been anything BUT a Fury round. That was one of his most clear cut of the fight I thought.

[Steveh583]

Just seen the fight now on a delayed stream here in China.

Fury fought fantastically well - he boxed superbly and he basically neutralised Wilder on the inside - he had no idea what to do when Fury claimed him up close. which is why he couldn't take advantage of the knockdowns - Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ. it was a superb performance and for me Fury won the fight.

But it would take a person with a sunny disposition of optimism to think that an away fighter is going to The States to get a decision after getting up from two knockdowns (I was amazed that Fury wasn't counted out on the act of rising in the last round...) - as we all know, there is winning a fight and getting the decision. If you don't stop them inside the distance or knock them out then it is out of your hands. I think in hindsight and where it was held - a draw is as fair as decision as one should expect.

Many refs would've waved that off in the 12 so fury can't grumble (which to be fair he didn't). Both guys are very classy behind all the hoopla

[Grilling Machine]

I'm not one for bible bashing either, but hey, people who get punched in the face for a living prob need a little faith.

Yeah, for sure. Most boxers are religious, but Fury's one of the few with a history of being outspoken about its worst aspects. Probably cost him Sports Personality of the Year in 2015; not that it's worth much.

He can do what he wants so long as he entertains in fights as far as I care, and he certainly entertained tonight. But we're all free to like and dislike him, and I don't think the latter steps over the line so long as no-one wants to see him permanently hurt. Physically or mentally.

[Ricky]

I tip my hat to Fury.

He showed so much more toughness grit & heart than i thought he had.

But to keep things in perspective, his punching sucks. At one point he actually threw a backhanded slap. Little landed clean and when it did it seems almost strange someone so big can generate such little power.

I thought the opening rounds were tight, probably 4-1 Wilder for me. Fury seemed to have neutralized Wilder by the mid rounds and i felt he might stop DW.

But ofcourse Wilders power came through. He won the fight imo & the 2nd KD was certainly a long count.

[hitman_hatton1]

Even the blind Mexican judge gave TF the 7th!! That one point would have won him the fight. Unbelievable

yeah i noticed that.

that 7th was the killer man.

[Covfefe]

Even the blind Mexican judge gave TF the 7th!! That one point would have won him the fight. Unbelievable

yeah i noticed that.

that 7th was the killer man.

No, not avoiding the knockdown in the twelfth was the killer. Win or lose that round without the KD he’s champion.

[Fray Bentos]

Just seen the fight now on a delayed stream here in China.

Fury fought fantastically well - he boxed superbly and he basically neutralised Wilder on the inside - he had no idea what to do when Fury claimed him up close. which is why he couldn't take advantage of the knockdowns - Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ. it was a superb performance and for me Fury won the fight.

But it would take a person with a sunny disposition of optimism to think that an away fighter is going to The States to get a decision after getting up from two knockdowns (I was amazed that Fury wasn't counted out on the act of rising in the last round...) - as we all know, there is winning a fight and getting the decision. If you don't stop them inside the distance or knock them out then it is out of your hands. I think in hindsight and where it was held - a draw is as fair as decision as one should expect.

Many refs would've waved that off in the 12 so fury can't grumble (which to be fair he didn't). Both guys are very classy behind all the hoopla

I think Shelly and Lou will be bollocking the ref over that around now, probably getting a deduction of his wages!

[Kit]

Maybe the neutral territory judge scores heavily in his criteria for missed punches, in that case he is right and Wilder won by a landslide!

[Steveh583]

Just seen the fight now on a delayed stream here in China.

Fury fought fantastically well - he boxed superbly and he basically neutralised Wilder on the inside - he had no idea what to do when Fury claimed him up close. which is why he couldn't take advantage of the knockdowns - Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ. it was a superb performance and for me Fury won the fight.

But it would take a person with a sunny disposition of optimism to think that an away fighter is going to The States to get a decision after getting up from two knockdowns (I was amazed that Fury wasn't counted out on the act of rising in the last round...) - as we all know, there is winning a fight and getting the decision. If you don't stop them inside the distance or knock them out then it is out of your hands. I think in hindsight and where it was held - a draw is as fair as decision as one should expect.

Many refs would've waved that off in the 12 so fury can't grumble (which to be fair he didn't). Both guys are very classy behind all the hoopla

I think Shelly and Lou will be bollocking the ref over that around now, probably getting a deduction of his wages!

His brown envelope is def going to the Mexican judge now lol

Dibella was whispering to fury 'I think you've won it'. Got a feeling the enjoyed working with him.

[Grilling Machine]

Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ.

I definitely agree with this, even though I felt that Wilder squeaked home at the end. Fury's work was far more intelligent, and I think the result of a man who's spent years learning to mitigate his limitations. Even though Wilder was there for the taking later on, Fury was very disciplined and smart to resist the temptation. From a self-preservation angle, I mean.

He won the battle of boxing IQ by an absolute mile. I just don't feel he did quite enough. He landed plenty of half-shots, and he wobbled Wilder a bit, but he never looked like closing the show. In a funny way, I'd have scored in his favour more often (and given him the fight by a couple of rounds) had Wilder looked more dangerous late.

Wilder wasn't landing much of note at all outside of the knockdowns, but despite his low hands and heavy breathing he wasn't anywhere close to what I'd describe as being dominated. I can see the case for Fury winning clearly, totally, but I won't remember much besides the knockdowns and Fury's general movement; which was great, mostly. But not getting hit isn't winning when the other guy's blown himself out and you're not clearly taking over.

Fury won the boxing match; Wilder won the fight. I normally side with the former as I'm supposed to, but I can't get away from how vulnerable Wilder was later on. The last knockdown should reinforce how wrong I am to suggest that Fury should've stepped it up, but that's how I feel. I think Joshua would've moved up a gear.

[Nightmare Roy]

I don't do twitter but a friend sent me a pic that made me lol, the real Stevie Wonder just tweeted "even I scored it for Tyson"

[TheLeprechaun]

Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ.

I definitely agree with this, even though I felt that Wilder squeaked home at the end. Fury's work was far more intelligent, and I think the result of a man who's spent years learning to mitigate his limitations. Even though Wilder was there for the taking later on, Fury was very disciplined and smart to resist the temptation. From a self-preservation angle, I mean.

He won the battle of boxing IQ by an absolute mile. I just don't feel he did quite enough. He landed plenty of half-shots, and he wobbled Wilder a bit, but he never looked like closing the show. In a funny way, I'd have scored in his favour more often (and given him the fight by a couple of rounds) had Wilder looked more dangerous late.

Wilder wasn't landing much of note at all outside of the knockdowns, but despite his low hands and heavy breathing he wasn't anywhere close to what I'd describe as being dominated. I can see the case for Fury winning clearly, totally, but I won't remember much besides the knockdowns and Fury's general movement; which was great, mostly. But not getting hit isn't winning when the other guy's blown himself out and you're not clearly taking over.

Fury won the boxing match; Wilder won the fight. I normally side with the former as I'm supposed to, but I can't get away from how vulnerable Wilder was later on. The last knockdown should reinforce how wrong I am to suggest that Fury should've stepped it up, but that's how I feel. I think Joshua would've moved up a gear.

Agreed.

Spirited effort from Fury but he's 4 points down with those knockdown rounds and then theres 10 other rounds to score. He has to win 8 of those 10 to win the fight. 7 and he draws. Personally, I gave Wilder 4 of those rounds and had him a narrow winner. Once again his power bailed him out.
Jack Reiss kept giving Fury extra second with his "walk that way and then walk back to me" bs

[jamamb]

very easy to predict your card leppy, he who scores how he picks

the draw alone was generous to wilder

[jamamb]

Fury showed marvelous ring generalmanship and IQ.

I definitely agree with this, even though I felt that Wilder squeaked home at the end. Fury's work was far more intelligent, and I think the result of a man who's spent years learning to mitigate his limitations. Even though Wilder was there for the taking later on, Fury was very disciplined and smart to resist the temptation. From a self-preservation angle, I mean.

He won the battle of boxing IQ by an absolute mile. I just don't feel he did quite enough. He landed plenty of half-shots, and he wobbled Wilder a bit, but he never looked like closing the show. In a funny way, I'd have scored in his favour more often (and given him the fight by a couple of rounds) had Wilder looked more dangerous late.

Wilder wasn't landing much of note at all outside of the knockdowns, but despite his low hands and heavy breathing he wasn't anywhere close to what I'd describe as being dominated. I can see the case for Fury winning clearly, totally, but I won't remember much besides the knockdowns and Fury's general movement; which was great, mostly. But not getting hit isn't winning when the other guy's blown himself out and you're not clearly taking over.

Fury won the boxing match; Wilder won the fight. I normally side with the former as I'm supposed to, but I can't get away from how vulnerable Wilder was later on. The last knockdown should reinforce how wrong I am to suggest that Fury should've stepped it up, but that's how I feel. I think Joshua would've moved up a gear.

i dont really understand this at all, so you scored rounds against fury just because you felt he couldve probably done more?

[Grilling Machine]

No, I'd never score against anyone for ‘not doing more than enough’, but I felt that Fury could've won several rounds that I scored even. I had Wilder by a point in the end but felt that Fury had more in reserve over the course of the fight. Wilder blew himself out and did all he could in that state. I think he was lucky to reach the end, despite the knockdown.

[jamamb]

to me i just didnt see wilder doing more then fury in more then 4 rounds

[Grilling Machine]

I struggled to award several rounds to either and had to go with 10-10s. Fury's work was cuter in most of those, but no more effective. When it was more effective I gave the rounds to Fury (though this was largely based on who seemed to've lost the most energy, rather than who'd been hurt). Both men had spells of backing up and looking tentative about throwing. That was the main theme. Both looked imposing and dangerous to the other when letting their hands go.

Going back to your question, I felt that some of my drawn rounds were rounds that Fury could've taken with more output. Whereas my impression of Wilder was that he'd done all he could with the energy he had left. So while I didn't deny Fury those rounds, my perception of his ability to have won them reinforced my belief that a 10-10 was highly justified. I often feel this way with Fury; if he did more I'd score more rounds in his favour, but then he might lose. It's Wlad I versus Wlad II, I guess.

Wilder was ineffective overall outside of his knockdown rounds, but I'll have to rewatch it to see if there were as many shots landed on arms and gloves as I thought. Fury had a couple of good rounds where he landed to the body and clipped Wilder around the back of his gloves with wide shots, but then Wilder also landed a few to the body and it all seemed to equalise for me in the end. Hence Wilder winning by a point with Fury winning more rounds.

[rhino222]

Rhinos official scorecard

1 fury 10-9 wilder
2 fury 10-10 wilder
3 fury 10-9 wilder
4 fury 10-10 wilder
5 fury 10-9 wilder
6 fury 10-9 wilder
7 fury 10-9 wilder
8 fury 10-9 wilder
9 fury 8-10 wilder
10 fury 10-9 wilder
11 fury 10-9 wilder
12 fury 8-10 wilder

fury 116-112 wilder

[paddy chavez]

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[bigjack]

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