A huge credit to Tyson Fury

[MightyWarrior]

Incredible comeback by the Gypsy King - in terms of his downward spiral outside the ring then that knock down in the last round - fu*king hell. That was one of the hardest heavyweight punches I’ve seen a fighter get up from - he looked finished.

He won that fight - what a warrior what a heart what a fighter

[deadpan]

He's a bum too.

So two of the three best heavyweights on the planet are bums.

Penetrating insight!

You guys take sh*t too literally.

I don't f*cking like 'em alright. Clearly they're talented...obviously. I call 'em bums because I don't f*cking like 'em. Simple enough for you?

Oh, I get it, we're in the wrong....

[gilgamesh]

So two of the three best heavyweights on the planet are bums.

Penetrating insight!

You guys take sh*t too literally.

I don't f*cking like 'em alright. Clearly they're talented...obviously. I call 'em bums because I don't f*cking like 'em. Simple enough for you?

Oh, I get it, we're in the wrong....

Who said anybody was wrong?

[deadpan]

Incredible comeback by the Gypsy King - in terms of his downward spiral outside the ring then that knock down in the last round - fu*king hell. That was one of the hardest heavyweight punches I’ve seen a fighter get up from - he looked finished.

He won that fight - what a warrior what a heart what a fighter

A mod who isn't guilelessly embittered.
That's better.

[gilgamesh]

Incredible comeback by the Gypsy King - in terms of his downward spiral outside the ring then that knock down in the last round - fu*king hell. That was one of the hardest heavyweight punches I’ve seen a fighter get up from - he looked finished.

He won that fight - what a warrior what a heart what a fighter

A mod who isn't guilelessly embittered.
That's better.

You guys can't stand it when I dislike a guy can you? I'd think my personality would've been obvious by now, but I guess it's not.

Oh well.

Some people know to take me with a grain of salt I'm sure. I like to have fun, and hate on guys I hate. It's part of the fun of being a fan.

I'd rather watch a guy I hate than a guy I feel indifferent about let's put it that way. The emotional aspect of either Loving or Hating a fighter makes it a lot more fun to watch, than if you just don't care either way.

[Covfefe]

Incredible comeback by the Gypsy King - in terms of his downward spiral outside the ring then that knock down in the last round - fu*king hell. That was one of the hardest heavyweight punches I’ve seen a fighter get up from - he looked finished.

He won that fight - what a warrior what a heart what a fighter

A mod who isn't guilelessly embittered.
That's better.

You guys can't stand it when I dislike a guy can you? I'd think my personality would've been obvious by now, but I guess it's not.

Oh well.

Some people know to take me with a grain of salt I'm sure. I like to have fun, and hate on guys I hate. It's part of the fun of being a fan.

I'd rather watch a guy I hate than a guy I feel indifferent about let's put it that way. The emotional aspect of either Loving or Hating a fighter makes it a lot more fun to watch, than if you just don't care either way.

I couldn’t disagree more. I can’t stand to watch fighters I’m a big fan of, in fact I don’t follow interviews or anything anymore cause it get too nervous watching fighters I really like, it’s much easier watching two fighters I’m completely indifferent towards.

[Grilling Machine]

It wasn't Wilder's best shot and I don't like Fury, but major respect to him for getting up from that. He is harder to catch than I thought he was, which means that Wlad mustn't have been as shot as I thought he was.

[Grilling Machine]

You're on your own when it comes to Fury, clearly

Not on his own, but this ain't the thread for it. Fury was brave and deserves a thread of respect free of our criticism.

[Fray Bentos]

Fury was fantastic tonight and he fought 'big' he is great at utilising his size and his weight to the best of abilities, he isn't technically gifted compared to other fighters but he knows what to do, in comparison - Wilder didn't know what to do half the time in the way Klitskcho didn't know what to do when he fought Fury because Fury has such great ring knowledge and as long he fights to his strengths then the opponent is going play 'catch-up'

Wilder at 215 or thereabouts is never going to beat Fury because he just doesn't have the strength to push him off or break himself out of clinches when he gets inside (which is his MO..) but he gave him loads of problems with those fast, clipping shots that surprised Tyson, What Wilder needs to do is go away for a year and learn how to throw 'punches in bunches' and be able to move in and out with faster feet from close distances and launch his attacks from the jab (being the 'superior athlete' that he is meant to be, he should be able to do this over a period of time...) - he needs Apollo Creed to come and teach him and remodel him basically. Because otherwise, Fury will always have his number.

[Grilling Machine]

What Wilder needs to do is go away for a year and learn how to throw 'punches in bunches' and be able to move in and out with faster feet from close distances and launch his attacks from the jab - he needs Apollo Creed to come and teach him and remodel him basically. Because otherwise, Fury will always have his number.

Yeah, chasing them chickens isn't working out!

I think if he can learn then he already has — don't waste so much energy loading up. He knows how to double his jab, but it's a matter of inclination, where he needs to lose his chubby for his own power. After this, maybe he has? If not, he's simply covered in leopard's spots. And if he's honest with himself, he should know that he was in very deep water when he tired and his hands started dropping.

Despite the knockdowns, I'd have put my KO money on Fury after 12 had it been a 15-rounder. Save for a lucky punch, Wilder's tank was on reserve.

[smiling assassin]

Like him or hate him (Gilgamesh ) you got to respect him 3 years out and he just beat a man who's being avoided by the so called best in the division. Fury will get all his belts back. First real fight since Klitscko what a man

[Fray Bentos]

What Wilder needs to do is go away for a year and learn how to throw 'punches in bunches' and be able to move in and out with faster feet from close distances and launch his attacks from the jab - he needs Apollo Creed to come and teach him and remodel him basically. Because otherwise, Fury will always have his number.

Yeah, chasing them chickens isn't working out!

I think if he can learn then he already has — don't waste so much energy loading up. He knows how to double his jab, but it's a matter of inclination, where he needs to lose his chubby for his own power. After this, maybe he has? If not, he's simply covered in leopard's spots. And if he's honest with himself, he should know that he was in very deep water when he tired and his hands started dropping.

Despite the knockdowns, I'd have put my KO money on Fury after 12 had it been a 15-rounder. Save for a lucky punch, Wilder's tank was on reserve.

I agree with that, whoever got Fury into that kind of shape stamina wise needs lots of praise Fury had stamina for ages and getting up from a knockdown takes it out of you anyway, never mind a really heavy one like that - not many would have got up from that to be honest but Fury did and came back strong.

What I think sapped Wilder's mental strength was that he wasn't able to do what he wanted to do when Fury closed him down, he was at the mercy of the referee because he wasn't able to push off Tyson or break the clinches which meant he was always playing catch-up in regards the next move whereas Tyson was able to do what he wanted when he wanted (including clowning around...).

Wilder has a problem weighing in a 215 when he is fighting skilled operators at 250, the leaning in and tying up also takes it out of the opposition - Riddick Bowe was another fighter who was brilliant at this - this is what Tyson Fury can do and unless Wilder changes his style OR manages to find another 25 pounds of strength from somewhere (I wonder how that could be achieved... ) that doesn't affect his speed, agility and everything else - I don't know how Wilder will do any better the next time around.

I agree with you if it went 15 - Tyson could have done another three rounds easily enough.

[SAPFO]

He's a bum.

To think you're mod on Boxrec

I second this. A childish attitude not worthy of the title on boxing’s official records keeper

Gilgmesh, please post up your boxer ID so we can all see how qualified you are to be calling 2 HW Champions ‘bums’.......

[paddy chavez]

He's a bum. Lots of heart to get up from the knockdown, but he's boring as sh*t.

What's that got to do with his ability,

[Grilling Machine]

Wilder has a problem weighing in a 215 when he is fighting skilled operators at 250, the leaning in and tying up also takes it out of the opposition - Riddick Bowe was another fighter who was brilliant at this - this is what Tyson Fury can do and unless Wilder changes his style OR manages to find another 25 pounds of strength from somewhere (I wonder how that could be achieved... ) that doesn't affect his speed, agility and everything else - I don't know how Wilder will do any better the next time around.

Wilder's optimum weight is probably 225, but as I mentioned somewhere else, I think he's either training so hard that he finds it hard to keep on, or he's worrying it off before these big fights.

This was like Fury-Cunningham II with Steve fresh off the rack. Although not really, because Cunningham had a lot more skill and less power, but it felt a bit similar at times. Like that fight, Fury's additional weight came through for him. I had this in mind when he was supposed to fight Haye: that he'd win if Haye couldn't catch him in the first half.

Makes you think, though... how comfortable is 212? Because if the answer's ‘very’, there's probably no-one at cruiser to touch him besides Usyk, and that'll be ships passing in the night. Gassiev might stand up to him; possibly Briedis... Hide could never make 190, but I always think it was telling how well Bowe took his shots with his extra size. Few others could.

I've also just rewatched some of Joshua-Klitschko, and AJ took a couple of real bombs after the knockdown, with Klitschko overrelying on his gazelle and giving AJ time to recover. Joshua has the size to take Fury's power unless Fury lands the punch of his life, but can Joshua get anywhere close to the target? I'm just seeing a borefest at the minute, but hope to be wrong.

For Wilder it kinda feels like the end of the road unless he rematches straight away and paces himself better to find the stoppage. Fury's won without winning tonight.

[Stuarty]

He's a bum. Lots of heart to get up from the knockdown, but he's boring as sh*t.

For god sake Gilg! The guys just fought an exciting fight that he should've won against an undefeated champion. You're hard to please sir...

[Fray Bentos]

He's a bum. Lots of heart to get up from the knockdown, but he's boring as sh*t.

For god sake Gilg! The guys just fought an exciting fight that he should've won against an undefeated champion. You're hard to please sir...

Back in the day, I hated Barry McGuigan - when he won, he really lost in my mind - I remember when he lost every round to the brilliant Bernard Taylor only for McGuigan to break his ribs and make him retire on his stool for the 8th round...

'You jammy bastard' I screamed at the telly as Bazza went into his spiel about 'ah thank ye Mr Eastwood...'

Thank god for Steve Cruz!

NB: Basically, I get where Gilgs is coming from...

[ShadrachSimmo]

Wilder has a problem weighing in a 215 when he is fighting skilled operators at 250, the leaning in and tying up also takes it out of the opposition - Riddick Bowe was another fighter who was brilliant at this - this is what Tyson Fury can do and unless Wilder changes his style OR manages to find another 25 pounds of strength from somewhere (I wonder how that could be achieved... ) that doesn't affect his speed, agility and everything else - I don't know how Wilder will do any better the next time around.

Wilder's optimum weight is probably 225, but as I mentioned somewhere else, I think he's either training so hard that he finds it hard to keep on, or he's worrying it off before these big fights.

This was like Fury-Cunningham II with Steve fresh off the rack. Although not really, because Cunningham had a lot more skill and less power, but it felt a bit similar at times. Like that fight, Fury's additional weight came through for him. I had this in mind when he was supposed to fight Haye: that he'd win if Haye couldn't catch him in the first half.

Makes you think, though... how comfortable is 212? Because if the answer's ‘very’, there's probably no-one at cruiser to touch him besides Usyk, and that'll be ships passing in the night. Gassiev might stand up to him; possibly Briedis... Hide could never make 190, but I always think it was telling how well Bowe took his shots with his extra size. Few others could.

I've also just rewatched some of Joshua-Klitschko, and AJ took a couple of real bombs after the knockdown, with Klitschko overrelying on his gazelle and giving AJ time to recover. Joshua has the size to take Fury's power unless Fury lands the punch of his life, but can Joshua get anywhere close to the target? I'm just seeing a borefest at the minute, but hope to be wrong.

For Wilder it kinda feels like the end of the road unless he rematches straight away and paces himself better to find the stoppage. Fury's won without winning tonight.

End of the road for Wilder? He’s still undefeated, still the champion and was within a second of ko’ing Fury.

Not got much going for him really.

[Grilling Machine]

He's got a huge payday ahead of him, but we'll have to wait and see how he comes back from this mentally. Fury won that fight. Stopping Fury in a rematch would raise his confidence higher than ever, though, as someone who'd adapted to a blip to become stronger. But for now he's in Golovkin's boat.

[Stuarty]

He's a bum. Lots of heart to get up from the knockdown, but he's boring as sh*t.

For god sake Gilg! The guys just fought an exciting fight that he should've won against an undefeated champion. You're hard to please sir...

Back in the day, I hated Barry McGuigan - when he won, he really lost in my mind - I remember when he lost every round to the brilliant Bernard Taylor only for McGuigan to break his ribs and make him retire on his stool for the 8th round...

'You jammy bastard' I screamed at the telly as Bazza went into his spiel about 'ah thank ye Mr Eastwood...'

Thank god for Steve Cruz!

NB: Basically, I get where Gilgs is coming from...

My da and ma were both big McGuigan fans Jim McDonnell done him as well remember

I can get why folk hate Fury and I understand but the guy deserves some respect. I was only having a tongue in cheek poke at Gilg because I know his feelings on all things Fury

[ShadrachSimmo]

He's got a huge payday ahead of him, but we'll have to wait and see how he comes back from this mentally. Fury won that fight. Stopping Fury in a rematch would raise his confidence higher than ever, though, as someone who'd adapted to a blip to become stronger. But for now he's in Golovkin's boat.

I get what your saying in context to this fight. I never seen the fight so can’t comment on his performance. I wonder if he would consider going straight for Joshua now although it’s highly unlikely.

[Fray Bentos]

For god sake Gilg! The guys just fought an exciting fight that he should've won against an undefeated champion. You're hard to please sir...

Back in the day, I hated Barry McGuigan - when he won, he really lost in my mind - I remember when he lost every round to the brilliant Bernard Taylor only for McGuigan to break his ribs and make him retire on his stool for the 8th round...

'You jammy bastard' I screamed at the telly as Bazza went into his spiel about 'ah thank ye Mr Eastwood...'

Thank god for Steve Cruz!

NB: Basically, I get where Gilgs is coming from...

My da and ma were both big McGuigan fans Jim McDonnell done him as well remember

I can get why folk hate Fury and I understand but the guy deserves some respect. I was only having a tongue in cheek poke at Gilg because I know his feelings on all things Fury

That's right! McDonnell did him and then went to fight Azumah Nelson - have you seen that fight? 5th round, Azumah ices him onto the canvas and it looks like Jim is going to be there until the milenium, and then he just jumps back up and flies back into Azumah - knocking the shite out of him - and I was screaming at the telly C'MON JIMBO DO IT FOR BAZZA HE SHOULDDA BE HERE TAKING THOSE PUNCHES - NOT YOU

Worse still - Bazza was hosted on 'This is your Life' the week after! Charmed life that pudendum.

[Steveh583]

Well it's the next morning and I'm still buzzing for the great big Gallagh. What a fantastic effort and achievement for Tyson. I remember people on here saying that we would never see him back in the ring again and he's only gone over to America and done the WBC champ

[Grilling Machine]

I wonder if he would consider going straight for Joshua now although it’s highly unlikely.

Yeah, it feels unlikely. Same as Fury and Joshua agreeing terms. I expect Wilder to look for a decent opponent next time, with the plan of staying close to the sharp end while working on his pacing. Then the rematch after.

When I say that Fury won, I mean mentally. Lots of people believe that he did win, so why should he risk a rematch when he can take a crack at Joshua to try and become the era's greatest. Joshua-Fury's the natural next step, with Wilder contemplating his approach against the durable Miller. Or he could fight in the UK for the first time against the Whyte-Chisora winner.

Wilder's now fought someone who can take his power for the first time, albeit depleted. Must've been a bit of a shock for him when Fury got up. I don't think he'll lose faith in his power, but he must now realise he needs to add more to his game.

[ThereByTheGrace]

I wonder if he would consider going straight for Joshua now although it’s highly unlikely.

Yeah, it feels unlikely. Same as Fury and Joshua agreeing terms. I expect Wilder to look for a decent opponent next time, with the plan of staying close to the sharp end while working on his pacing. Then the rematch after.

When I say that Fury won, I mean mentally. Lots of people believe that he did win, so why should he risk a rematch when he can take a crack at Joshua to try and become the era's greatest. Joshua-Fury's the natural next step, with Wilder contemplating his approach against Miller. Or he could fight in the UK for the first time against the Whyte-Chisora winner.

Wilder now fought someone who can take his power for the first time, albeit depleted. Must've been a bit of a shock for him when Fury got up. I don't think he'll lose faith in his power, but he must now realise he needs to add more to his game.

Wilder fought harrison in the uk