very exciting era at heavies

man
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3197
Joined: 09 Jul 2007, 10:38

very exciting era at heavies

Post by man »

joshua is polished and a class act, fury the
guy coming back from the odds, deontay
the bad boy. all three giants that can really
challenge each other.

i for one maintain that AJ is top. just too
complete for both other men. must say i
am very surprised how well tyson did and
i think deontay has been exposed to an
extent in his first two fights against top ten
opposition in both the ortiz and the fury
bout as nothing but a right hand. his
management said after both fights that
we haven't seen the best of deontay wilder.
oh yes, we did. he can end a fight any time
with his power, but he is not able to make
a fight against a top contender and never
will be.

and as much as AJ and fury turned out to
be class acts, deontay's expressed desire
to kill someone in the ring is something i
never heard a top contender repeatedly
say. he looks sober and calm when he does
that act and someone should inform him
that this is a sport, not the military. and it
is quite telling to come from someone who
for most of his career refused to face danger
himself.
Onetimeonly
Super Featherweight
Posts: 11584
Joined: 16 Oct 2018, 06:28

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Onetimeonly »

That fight was dramatic, far from exciting. I had a buddy come over for the fight and after it we watched my DVDs of the holy vs bowe trilogy. His mind was blown. Heavyweights combining for almost 200 punches in a Rd. Now less than 10 is a thriller
Syntax Error
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 9008
Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 08:00

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Syntax Error »

It's a real shame that Fury abused himself, because we could potentially having an HW Bronze age.

The division is certainly at It's most intriguing since the 90s HW Silver age.
DrDuke
Lightweight
Posts: 13873
Joined: 29 Nov 2017, 09:15

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by DrDuke »

getnada wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.
For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.
ironbeard
Super Featherweight
Posts: 17189
Joined: 15 Sep 2018, 20:00

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by ironbeard »

DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 07:32
getnada wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.
For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
ironbeard
Super Featherweight
Posts: 17189
Joined: 15 Sep 2018, 20:00

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by ironbeard »

I agree that it is a good era for the HWs.

AJ is King of the boxing mountain until defeated.
DrDuke
Lightweight
Posts: 13873
Joined: 29 Nov 2017, 09:15

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by DrDuke »

ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:54
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 07:32
getnada wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.
For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.
ironbeard
Super Featherweight
Posts: 17189
Joined: 15 Sep 2018, 20:00

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by ironbeard »

DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:53
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:54
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 07:32

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.
DrDuke
Lightweight
Posts: 13873
Joined: 29 Nov 2017, 09:15

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by DrDuke »

ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:57
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:53
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:54
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.
Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.
ironbeard
Super Featherweight
Posts: 17189
Joined: 15 Sep 2018, 20:00

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by ironbeard »

DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:01
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:57
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:53

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.
Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.
He was not losing. It was close, but AJ had taken the fight back before the stoppage.

You are a Fury jockmite. But, that’s ok, you are far from being alone.
DrDuke
Lightweight
Posts: 13873
Joined: 29 Nov 2017, 09:15

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by DrDuke »

ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:08
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:01
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:57
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.
Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.
He was not losing. It was close, but AJ had taken the fight back before the stoppage.

You are a Fury jockmite. But, that’s ok, you are far from being alone.
You said it yourself, it was a close fight, so how the performance can be more dominant, than Fury's one, which had been clearly in his favor?
Paci
Middleweight
Posts: 1532
Joined: 23 Jan 2014, 09:49

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Paci »

ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:54
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 07:32
getnada wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 05:56 Everybody should agree that AJ is on top after seeing this fight.
For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
It more the other way around.
tiny_acres
Middleweight
Posts: 9440
Joined: 17 Feb 2014, 14:43

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by tiny_acres »

Paci wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:12
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:54
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 07:32

For me Fury is a top fighter. I can't call his Wilder fight anything except a win for him. And Wilder was considered #2 after Joshua prior to the fight. And Klitschko was defeated by Fury earlier and in a more convincing way, than in Joshua's case. So I rate Fury above Joshua and favor him against AJ as well.
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
It more the other way around.
But Klitschko was 2 years older and NOT THE FUGGIN CHAMPION when Joshua beat him :witzend:
Klitschko was an old former champ.
JMac
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 2308
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 14:41

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by JMac »

Other than the last 4 rounds last night, the fight was not good. I'll take the 70's and 80's era for heavies anytime over this current crop of fighters.
squiggy
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 2094
Joined: 04 Feb 2008, 03:35

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by squiggy »

tiny_acres wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:15
Paci wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:12
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:54
:lol: You cannot make this delusional personality worship up. :lol: Shameless bias.
It more the other way around.
But Klitschko was 2 years older and NOT THE FUGGIN CHAMPION when Joshua beat him :witzend:
Klitschko was an old former champ.
Also 17 months inactive.
Syntax Error
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 9008
Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 08:00

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Syntax Error »

JMac wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 15:14 Other than the last 4 rounds last night, the fight was not good. I'll take the 70's and 80's era for heavies anytime over this current crop of fighters.
70s, most definitely, but 80s?

The 80s was a lost generation of talented heavies who succumbed to beefburgers and coke and not the fizzy crap you drink either.

It was only Larry Holmes in the first half and Mike Tyson in the second half that saved the decade from almost complete ignominy.
Ron C
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 254
Joined: 08 Jan 2008, 00:01

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Ron C »

Wilder and Fury both stepped up to the plate by fighting each other. Now it’s AJ’s turn to step up the plate and fight one of them
jamesmcdonnell
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 45213
Joined: 12 Nov 2003, 06:11

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by jamesmcdonnell »

DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:01
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:57
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:53

And what's wrong? Did Fury fight Klitschko, when Wlad was the reigning champ? Yes, he did. Did Joshua fight Klitschko after Wlad's time-off? Yes, he did. Did Fury won Klitschko clearly? Yes, he did, it was a near-shutout performance. And Joshua was struggling with Klitschko, getting dropped and objectively outpointed.
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.
Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.
You don't lose a fight until the end. Joshua smashed him up.
tiny_acres
Middleweight
Posts: 9440
Joined: 17 Feb 2014, 14:43

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by tiny_acres »

squiggy wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 15:28
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:15
Paci wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:12

It more the other way around.
But Klitschko was 2 years older and NOT THE FUGGIN CHAMPION when Joshua beat him :witzend:
Klitschko was an old former champ.
Also 17 months inactive.
Yes sir. And had not won a fight in over 2 and a half years
DrDuke
Lightweight
Posts: 13873
Joined: 29 Nov 2017, 09:15

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by DrDuke »

jamesmcdonnell wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 15:59
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:01
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 10:57
. . . before he stopped him. You know, knocked the sense out of him.

I had Fury winning 116-112. They both won. To suggest an 116-112 win is more dominant than a stoppage is ridiculous bias.
Knocking someone out after losing fight isn't dominant. It's a more definitive way to win, but that's a different thing.
You don't lose a fight until the end. Joshua smashed him up.
Sure, but still the performance wasn't dominant. It was ambiguous. In the case of AJ against Wlad it was first good, then bad for a prolonged period, then good eventually. Dominant means winning convincingly, scoring more and taking less. Joshua blown a huge section of mid-rounds.

Fury was dominant against Wilder, for example. Cause Fury was winning the whole fight, he was more effective through it, from the start until the end and even fought back after being caught and down.
victor-romeo
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 1633
Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 22:29

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by victor-romeo »

Exciting maybe because competitive but none better than prime Vitali or Wlad Klitschko.
Perseus
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3188
Joined: 26 Jul 2007, 03:58

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Perseus »

victor-romeo wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 18:56 Exciting maybe because competitive but none better than prime Vitali or Wlad Klitschko.
Yeah so?

I would much rather see a group of lesser fighters actually fighting one another and producing good fights than two dominant fighters who will never fight each other constantly giving us boring fights.
Blodhemn
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 2848
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 20:30

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by Blodhemn »

Eh, Usyk moving up to take on these oversized beasts will be the most exciting. Up until very recent, none of the top few HWs have even bothered to fight each other. Most HWs just aren't skilled and would lose to top 10 CW.
The Great John L
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4351
Joined: 26 Jul 2005, 19:37

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by The Great John L »

Blodhemn wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 19:56 Eh, Usyk moving up to take on these oversized beasts will be the most exciting. Up until very recent, none of the top few HWs have even bothered to fight each other. Most HWs just aren't skilled and would lose to top 10 CW.
:TU:
victor-romeo
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 1633
Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 22:29

Re: very exciting era at heavies

Post by victor-romeo »

Perseus wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 19:50
victor-romeo wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 18:56 Exciting maybe because competitive but none better than prime Vitali or Wlad Klitschko.
Yeah so?

I would much rather see a group of lesser fighters actually fighting one another and producing good fights than two dominant fighters who will never fight each other constantly giving us boring fights.
The only people the Klitschkos ducked where each other because they were brothers, they took on all comers other than that.
AJ has not fought Wilder or Fury yet, and Wilder is now just stepping up with the Ortiz fight and then the Fury fight..
Post Reply