Fury’s amateurish showboating cost him the title

[HomicideHenry]

Umm... Bullshit.... Wilder didn't throw anything back whenever Fury showboated... So if anything, it made Fury look more dominate and in control, just like it did for Sugar Ray Leonard in many of his fights.

[oogiebe]

Last I looked, you don't score points clowning.

[HomicideHenry]

Last I looked, you don't score points clowning.

Nor do you give points to someone catching nothing but air

[oogiebe]

Last I looked, you don't score points clowning.

Nor do you give points to someone catching nothing but air

No you don't, however you get points for aggressiveness. If neither did anything to score points you have an even round. I wonder how many rounds were actually even, given a unbiassed eye.

[HomicideHenry]

No... You get points for EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION.... Wilder had nothing effective except for the 9th and 12th rounds.

[oogiebe]

No... You get points for EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION.... Wilder had nothing effective except for the 9th and 12th rounds.

So how much more of your ranting before the WBC reverses the decision? (I.E. This is pointless)

[DrDuke]

Umm... Bullshit.... Wilder didn't throw anything back whenever Fury showboated... So if anything, it made Fury look more dominate and in control, just like it did for Sugar Ray Leonard in many of his fights.

That's right. He was caught after showboating in the case of the first KD though, but not the showboating made it. Fury was trapped in a bad position, he was dodging punches and some of the dodges just didn't go perfect. That's more of a technical problem, the computer fails sometimes.

[gilgamesh]

No... You get points for EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION.... Wilder had nothing effective except for the 9th and 12th rounds.

First 5 rounds nobody had any particularly effective aggression.

[ironbeard]

Last I looked, you don't score points clowning.

Nor do you give points to someone catching nothing but air

No you don't, however you get points for aggressiveness. If neither did anything to score points you have an even round. I wonder how many rounds were actually even, given a unbiassed eye.

8-10

[HomicideHenry]

No... You get points for EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION.... Wilder had nothing effective except for the 9th and 12th rounds.

First 5 rounds nobody had any particularly effective aggression.

True, so THEN you look at volume of punches and Fury was landing jabs and 1-2's and occasional uppercuts and body shots--- Wilder whenever he threw punches landed on Fury's arms. The only punch that he threw in the first five that comes to mind is the jab that bloodied Fury's nose.

Outside of that one punch, I don't think anything Wilder did really stood out. So you have to give 1-8 for Fury. Now myself I scored it 9-2-1 because I think it was the 4th or 6th where punch rates were so low you could have called it even.

[gilgamesh]

No... You get points for EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION.... Wilder had nothing effective except for the 9th and 12th rounds.

First 5 rounds nobody had any particularly effective aggression.

True, so THEN you look at volume of punches and Fury was landing jabs and 1-2's and occasional uppercuts and body shots--- Wilder whenever he threw punches landed on Fury's arms. The only punch that he threw in the first five that comes to mind is the jab that bloodied Fury's nose.

Outside of that one punch, I don't think anything Wilder did really stood out. So you have to give 1-8 for Fury. Now myself I scored it 9-2-1 because I think it was the 4th or 6th where punch rates were so low you could have called it even.

I'm gonna do a blow-by-blow breakdown this weekend when Showtime runs the fight back, I'll even pause the fight every 30 seconds or so to take note of the happenings.

I'm not gonna keep commenting on it any further in the meantime. My blow-by-blow breakdown will be as accurate as it comes, and it'll speak for itself. Anybody will be able to watch it back, and see the same thing I see because I'm only going to comment on what happened, not what I wish happened or what I would've liked to have happened. Just the facts, nothing but the facts.

[Perseus]

Given that the judges didn't render an honest verdict, I don't think you can claim that any actions he took could have affected the outcome.

You really think that?
So in your world if Fury does not get flattened by a man he outweighs by 40+ lbs in the 12th round it was still going to be a 10-8 round for the other guy?

[squiggy]

His antics and defensive movements may grab your attention, but do they score?

If a guy is clowning around but also accomplishing more than his opponent, he wins the round. If he's clowning but getting out-fought, he loses it. Anybody who scores rounds on antics shouldn't be scoring.

[jamamb]

what does wilders weight have to do with the scoring lol

[squiggy]

If the point is that Fury should have been using his time more wisely, 1) frustrating a guy is a giant part of his game, and 2) when you're holding a guy to 4 or 5 landed punches a round, you don't exactly need to bust his ass up to be putting 10-9 rounds in the bank.

[Perseus]

what does wilders weight have to do with the scoring lol

Nothing at all, just threw it in there.

Is it unreasonable to expect a skilled boxer with that much of a size advantage to NOT get flattened at any time?
Wilder dropping Fury is the functional equivalent of Lemieux dropping Usyk.
In both cases one guy is approximately 40lbs larger AND the better boxer.
There should be no 10-8 rounds going against the much bigger and better boxer.

If Fury avoids either of those knockdowns he gets the decision yet we still have morons claiming he could not get a decision no matter what he did in the ring.

[HomicideHenry]

I'm gonna do a blow-by-blow breakdown this weekend when Showtime runs the fight back, I'll even pause the fight every 30 seconds or so to take note of the happenings.

I'm not gonna keep commenting on it any further in the meantime. My blow-by-blow breakdown will be as accurate as it comes, and it'll speak for itself. Anybody will be able to watch it back, and see the same thing I see because I'm only going to comment on what happened, not what I wish happened or what I would've liked to have happened. Just the facts, nothing but the facts.

It's one of those fights where I personally don't see that it needs rewatching and analyzing, considering so many fighters and trainers, etc including knowledgeable fans by the vast majority say Wilder lost.

I will say MAYBE 1-2 rounds was arguably even. Even if that was the case, even if it was 3 rounds even, that still leaves Fury 7-2-3. But I believe 8-4, or 9-3, or 9-2-1 is more closer to the truth.

I have it DVR'd so maybe I'll rewatch it again, but, many people have been doing re-reviews online and saying it seems more wide than the first time they watched it.

[IKSRTFO]

Wilder's amateurish boxing cost him the title.

[DrDuke]

I'm gonna do a blow-by-blow breakdown this weekend when Showtime runs the fight back, I'll even pause the fight every 30 seconds or so to take note of the happenings.

I'm not gonna keep commenting on it any further in the meantime. My blow-by-blow breakdown will be as accurate as it comes, and it'll speak for itself. Anybody will be able to watch it back, and see the same thing I see because I'm only going to comment on what happened, not what I wish happened or what I would've liked to have happened. Just the facts, nothing but the facts.

Probably this will help you to finally accept the obvious. I actually just rewatched the fight and made some notes. I now actually doubt, if the 2nd should be really given to Wilder, it was initially the only round I gave him except KD rounds. First of all Fury outjabbed Wilder in every round. In the 1st Tyson rocked Wilder in addition to that, while Deontay was missing and landed only one really damaging punch - left hook. In the 2nd Wilder was totally outjabbed and just landed clean in the very ending, did it give a round to him? Now I doubt. In the 3rd and the 4th Fury was not just outjabbing Wilder, but also scoring decent power punches. In the 5th Fury started slow, Wilder outthrew him early, some single clean shots were landed, but Fury started to throw combos late, where some of punches were clean. The 6th was a regular round of outjabbing Wilder. In the 7th Fury rocked Wilder with two one-twos in a row. In the 8th Fury visibly outlanded Wilder, especially effective in the ending. The 9th was that KD #1. The 10th and the 11th were ones of the most dominant rounds for Fury. The 12th were only spoiled for Tyson with KD. Quite clear dominance by The Gypsy King.

[ironbeard]

Wilder's amateurish boxing cost him the title.

Wilder still has his title.

[HomicideHenry]

Wilder's amateurish boxing cost him the title.

Wilder still has his title.

REAL PEOPLE know who the REAL CHAMPION is. It's people like yourself who give boxing a bad name continually perpetrating bullshit and controversy when there was ZERO controversy as to who won. It's people like you who they hire to judge fights and fucccck up decisions in boxing.

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If the point is that Fury should have been using his time more wisely, 1) frustrating a guy is a giant part of his game, and 2) when you're holding a guy to 4 or 5 landed punches a round, you don't exactly need to bust his ass up to be putting 10-9 rounds in the bank.

Precisely this. Anyone drawing attention to how poor Fury was offensively, or how much he wasted, is forgetting one very important thing - Wilder was worse.

Personally, I thought Fury looked barely a shadow of the fighter who took the belts from Wlad (and I don't necessarily agree that was anything like the 'masterful' performance some claim), but aside from 2 big shots in the final round (the earlier KD was from an illegal blow), Wilder's performance was pitiful.

I honestly can't remember a worse performance from a champion, where he got to walk away with his belt at the end of the fight.

Fury was sub-par. Sub-par was still enough to win 8 rounds, minimum.

[ironbeard]

Wilder's amateurish boxing cost him the title.

Wilder still has his title.

REAL PEOPLE know who the REAL CHAMPION is. It's people like yourself who give boxing a bad name continually perpetrating bullshit and controversy when there was ZERO controversy as to who won. It's people like you who they hire to judge fights and fucccck up decisions in boxing.

No bias from Homi here, move along people.

You are a deluded individual, Homi. What gives boxing a bad name are whinefest participants like you, all get in a little circle to wank off together on a public forum.

You have no objectivity on any subject. In fact, you disdain objectivity.

You projectile vomit your utter bias onto others and then point and jump up and down like a monkey who just threw his own sh!t, screaming “ROBBERY” and “CORRUPTION.”

You accuse your targets of lying while ignoring the lies of those you worship.

You, sir, are the definition of a hypocrite (to put it kindly).

Both fighters deserve respect for what they did the other night and what they have accomplished prior. You lack the capacity to acknowledge that, Homi.

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The fight score app I use, which collates data from everyone scoring a fight, shows that from 1348 scorecards submitted, the overall average tally came out at 115-111 Fury.

Apart from the two KD rounds, Wilder only took the 2nd, according to their data. The closest of all remaining rounds was the 4th, which Fury still took by a margin of 802 votes, to 481 for Wilder (65 scored it even).

It's pretty unanimous. A vast, vast majority, saw Fury win that fight.

[ironbeard]

The fight score app I use, which collates data from everyone scoring a fight, shows that from 1348 scorecards submitted, the overall average tally came out at 115-111 Fury.

Apart from the two KD rounds, Wilder only took the 2nd, according to their data. The closest of all remaining rounds was the 4th, which Fury still took by a margin of 802 votes, to 481 for Wilder (65 scored it even).

It's pretty unanimous. A vast, vast majority, saw Fury win that fight.

As in Ward v Kovalev I and Pac v Bradley I, the “vast, vast majority” got it wrong, in my opinion, and the opinions of the only judges that mattered.