Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder

[dagilechia]

There should never be an immediate waving off - fighters always should be counted even when it's obvious that they are not going to get up

Unless it's obvious they need immediate medical attention surely?

yeah, sure, i forgot to mention that

[Tony1244]

There should never be an immediate waving off - fighters always should be counted even when it's obvious that they are not going to get up

Unless it's obvious they need immediate medical attention surely?

yeah, sure, i forgot to mention that

The only one I can think of is swallowing the mouthpiece.

[DrDuke]

Does anyone give credence to the idea that it was a draw to benefit the bookmakers when you consider most people don't bet on a draw and the mob controls gambling in the US.

This can sound possible, but Wilder has always had judges' help, so it was obvious, that this would happen again. Yet I was expecting narrowed decisions for The Gypsy King, but...

[ironbeard]

Does anyone give credence to the idea that it was a draw to benefit the bookmakers when you consider most people don't bet on a draw and the mob controls gambling in the US.

This can sound possible, but Wilder has always had judges' help, so it was obvious, that this would happen again. Yet I was expecting narrowed decisions for The Gypsy King, but...

How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight, DrDork?

[DrDuke]

Does anyone give credence to the idea that it was a draw to benefit the bookmakers when you consider most people don't bet on a draw and the mob controls gambling in the US.

This can sound possible, but Wilder has always had judges' help, so it was obvious, that this would happen again. Yet I was expecting narrowed decisions for The Gypsy King, but...

How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight, DrDork?

As if those knockouts justify bad judging, so you arev better to endure you butthurt and not to pour all sh!t from you in this section.

[ironbeard]

This can sound possible, but Wilder has always had judges' help, so it was obvious, that this would happen again. Yet I was expecting narrowed decisions for The Gypsy King, but...

How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight, DrDork?

As if those knockouts justify bad judging, so you arev better to endure you butthurt and not to pour all sh!t from you in this section.

Just answer the question, DrDork. How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight?

Simple question with a simple answer. Think reeeeal hard and I am confident that you can come up with it.

[DrDuke]

How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight, DrDork?

As if those knockouts justify bad judging, so you arev better to endure you butthurt and not to pour all sh!t from you in this section.

Just answer the question, DrDork. How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight?

Simple question with a simple answer. Think reeeeal hard and I am confident that you can come up with it.

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

[ironbeard]

As if those knockouts justify bad judging, so you arev better to endure you butthurt and not to pour all sh!t from you in this section.

Just answer the question, DrDork. How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight?

Simple question with a simple answer. Think reeeeal hard and I am confident that you can come up with it.

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Ooh, poor little DrDork, cannot bring himself to admit that he is full of sh!t about the judging of Wilder fights.

I will go real slow for you, “doctor.”

Let’s start with the total number of professional fights that Wilder has participated in. I am certain you can come with that one, right “doctor?”

[DrDuke]

Just answer the question, DrDork. How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight?

Simple question with a simple answer. Think reeeeal hard and I am confident that you can come up with it.

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Ooh, poor little DrDork, cannot bring himself to admit that he is full of sh!t about the judging of Wilder fights.

I will go real slow for you, “doctor.”

Let’s start with the total number of professional fights that Wilder has participated in. I am certain you can come with that one, right “doctor?”

So, as there still are loads of bollocks and insult attempts instead of arguments from your side, I have to leave your alone with your mental disease.

[ironbeard]

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Ooh, poor little DrDork, cannot bring himself to admit that he is full of sh!t about the judging of Wilder fights.

I will go real slow for you, “doctor.”

Let’s start with the total number of professional fights that Wilder has participated in. I am certain you can come with that one, right “doctor?”

So, as there still are loads of bollocks and insult attempts instead of arguments from your side, I have to leave your alone with your mental disease.

Bring back the answers upon your return, “doctor,” or cease with your utterly baseless claim.

[Tony1244]

As if those knockouts justify bad judging, so you arev better to endure you butthurt and not to pour all sh!t from you in this section.

Just answer the question, DrDork. How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight?

Simple question with a simple answer. Think reeeeal hard and I am confident that you can come up with it.

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Dr. David,

Wilder has only gone the distance twice. Was Stiverne robbed too? LOL.

We have commended Fury for coming back from his problems and getting up in the 12th. We will not commend him for making faces at Wilder and putting his gloves behind his back. That may cause some fans to jump up and down, but it doesn't score points.

[DrDuke]

Just answer the question, DrDork. How many judges in total have had anything to do with the outcome of a Wilder fight?

Simple question with a simple answer. Think reeeeal hard and I am confident that you can come up with it.

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Dr. David,

Wilder has only gone the distance twice. Was Stiverne robbed too? LOL.

We have commended Fury for coming back from his problems and getting up in the 12th. We will not commend him for making faces at Wilder and putting his gloves behind his back. That may cause some fans to jump up and down, but it doesn't score points.

So you are another one whacky fella, who thinks, that knockouts nullify the scores. They are in the books, my friend. Look at Ortiz, Washington, Szpilka cards, try to compare with tapes before final rounds, ok? The fact of their eventual pointlessness doesn't deal with the problem of unfair judging in Wilder's bouts. Finally his bout ended with the decision again and now the problem is on the surface.

[ironbeard]

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Dr. David,

Wilder has only gone the distance twice. Was Stiverne robbed too? LOL.

We have commended Fury for coming back from his problems and getting up in the 12th. We will not commend him for making faces at Wilder and putting his gloves behind his back. That may cause some fans to jump up and down, but it doesn't score points.

So you are another one whacky fella, who thinks, that knockouts nullify the scores. They are in the books, my friend. Look at Ortiz, Washington, Szpilka cards, try to compare with tapes before final rounds, ok? The fact of their eventual pointlessness doesn't deal with the problem of unfair judging in Wilder's bouts. Finally his bout ended with the decision again and now the problem is on the surface.

Back so soon from Mr. Potatohead, “doctor?”

“The problem” is entirely housed betwixt your ears.

[Tony1244]

You're finally right, the answer is simple. That's why you should try to figure it out yourself. I know, thinking is a very hard precess for you, but try to do it, it's a useful thing generally.

Dr. David,

Wilder has only gone the distance twice. Was Stiverne robbed too? LOL.

We have commended Fury for coming back from his problems and getting up in the 12th. We will not commend him for making faces at Wilder and putting his gloves behind his back. That may cause some fans to jump up and down, but it doesn't score points.

So you are another one whacky fella, who thinks, that knockouts nullify the scores. They are in the books, my friend. Look at Ortiz, Washington, Szpilka cards, try to compare with tapes before final rounds, ok? The fact of their eventual pointlessness doesn't deal with the problem of unfair judging in Wilder's bouts. Finally his bout ended with the decision again and now the problem is on the surface.

Whether I'm wacky or not is irrelevant to the conversation. Winning a 10-8 round is equivalent to winning (2) 10-9 rounds.

I had Ortiz a bit ahead of Wilder. I had the Spilkva fight very close if I remember correctly.

There was no round Fury won easily. The draw was a good verdict. I think all 3 official scorecards were acceptable in the case of this fight.

[DrDuke]

Dr. David,

Wilder has only gone the distance twice. Was Stiverne robbed too? LOL.

We have commended Fury for coming back from his problems and getting up in the 12th. We will not commend him for making faces at Wilder and putting his gloves behind his back. That may cause some fans to jump up and down, but it doesn't score points.

So you are another one whacky fella, who thinks, that knockouts nullify the scores. They are in the books, my friend. Look at Ortiz, Washington, Szpilka cards, try to compare with tapes before final rounds, ok? The fact of their eventual pointlessness doesn't deal with the problem of unfair judging in Wilder's bouts. Finally his bout ended with the decision again and now the problem is on the surface.

Whether I'm wacky or not is irrelevant to the conversation. Winning a 10-8 round is equivalent to winning (2) 10-9 rounds.

I had Ortiz a bit ahead of Wilder. I had the Spilkva fight very close if I remember correctly.

There was no round Fury won easily. The draw was a good verdict. I think all 3 official scorecards were acceptable in the case of this fight.

Well, at least there are arguments from you in contrast to that ironbutt lunatic, whose desperate attempts of trolling are at the level of a 8 y.o.

I'd say, Fury won clearly the vast majority of rounds. That wasn't easily, that wasn't wide, but that was clear enough. So I'd even argue at draw. Showtime score was good btw.

[candyslim]

I'm not taking sides in this argument, it's clear to see that in the final analysis the judges have had very little effect on the resume of either Deontay Wilder nor Anthony Joshua but if I can use the Joshua v Povetkin fight as an example AJ got a good stoppage, no arguments, but whether or not he was ahead on points at the time of the stoppage is open to interpretation, but I can state quite emphatically that he wasn't ahead by several rounds as he was adjudged to be on at least one score card, maybe more, I forget now.

So the judges didn't help Joshua as it turned out but if Povetkin had somehow thrown off the years and continued his level of performance for twelve rounds then it's probable they would have found unanimously for Joshua however close it had been.

Such egregious judging is not peculiar to one geographical location. There are also examples where Wilder has been ahead on scorecards at the time of knocking out his opponent, even though most observers had him behind. I think Szpilka and Washington were examples, Ortiz too if memory serves. This doesn't detract from his achievement or affect the result in any way but it doesn't excuse the judges. I think that is what the Doc was getting at, unless I've misunderstood.

[DrDuke]

This doesn't detract from his achievement or affect the result in any way but it doesn't excuse the judges.

Finally someone was smart enough to get my message correctly.

[ironbeard]

I'm not taking sides in this argument, it's clear to see that in the final analysis the judges have had very little effect on the resume of either Deontay Wilder nor Anthony Joshua but if I can use the Joshua v Povetkin fight as an example AJ got a good stoppage, no arguments, but whether or not he was ahead on points at the time of the stoppage is open to interpretation, but I can state quite emphatically that he wasn't ahead by several rounds as he was adjudged to be on at least one score card, maybe more, I forget now.

So the judges didn't help Joshua as it turned out but if Povetkin had somehow thrown off the years and continued his level of performance for twelve rounds then it's probable they would have found unanimously for Joshua however close it had been.

Such egregious judging is not peculiar to one geographical location. There are also examples where Wilder has been ahead on scorecards at the time of knocking out his opponent, even though most observers had him behind. I think Szpilka and Washington were examples, Ortiz too if memory serves. This doesn't detract from his achievement or affect the result in any way but it doesn't excuse the judges. I think that is what the Doc was getting at, unless I've misunderstood.

“The Doc” is utterly, 100% biased, and he has been since way before this fight, as has been Atrollo and Homi and an army of Fury jockmites who were destined to claim wide victory for Fury if he made it to the final bell, no matter what actually happened in the ring.

I saw it the exact opposite of them, but you do not see me denigrating the judges or Fury, pulling every baseless argument out of every orifice of my being to scream “ROBBERY!!”

Why is that?

Because I have new found respect for both boxers. Because I recognize that at least 8 of the rounds could have been scored either way and I scored more of those for Wilder realtime.

I will continue to eviscerate Fury jockmites for as long as they spew their biased vomit on this forum, just as I have eviscerated Pacmites and Floydiots over the years.

Fury fought as well as could be expected. He deserves great credit for what he has accomplished. So does Wilder.

[jamamb]

getting 'excited' mate

[ironbeard]

getting 'excited' mate

Enjoying every second of it.

[candyslim]

I certainly wouldn't dispute your final conclusion. I think both men should have enhanced their reputation whether you think Wilder had the benefit of poor scoring and/or whether you think Fury was lucky he was given the chance to get up.

[jamamb]

not sure on wilders rep, he was the favourite and to win by ko and he didnt, plus now hes bumped from being the clear guy aj has to fight, remember all the wilder vs aj talk before? it was a clear 1 vs 2 but no longer is. wilder winning wouldve really boosted his position there relative to the divisions biggest draw.

if the ppv numbers are really good that will help them both though, although i dont think a draw like this is really a star making fight

[DrDuke]

“The Doc” is utterly, 100% biased, and he has been since way before this fight, as has been Atrollo and Homi and an army of Fury jockmites who were destined to claim wide victory for Fury if he made it to the final bell, no matter what actually happened in the ring.

I saw it the exact opposite of them, but you do not see me denigrating the judges or Fury, pulling every baseless argument out of every orifice of my being to scream “ROBBERY!!”

Why is that?

Because I have new found respect for both boxers. Because I recognize that at least 8 of the rounds could have been scored either way and I scored more of those for Wilder realtime.

I will continue to eviscerate Fury jockmites for as long as they spew their biased vomit on this forum, just as I have eviscerated Pacmites and Floydiots over the years.

Fury fought as well as could be expected. He deserves great credit for what he has accomplished. So does Wilder.

I'm never biased in relation to boxers I root for. I scored it for Fury, because I saw an actual fight and I can tell, what I had exactly seen, based on what I'm making scores. Which I have already done for numerous amount of times. So probably the vomit here is your trolling and insulting attemps, cause they aren't related to forum's topics. They are what is littering the forum, not evidence based comments I've made.

[ironbeard]

“The Doc” is utterly, 100% biased, and he has been since way before this fight, as has been Atrollo and Homi and an army of Fury jockmites who were destined to claim wide victory for Fury if he made it to the final bell, no matter what actually happened in the ring.

I saw it the exact opposite of them, but you do not see me denigrating the judges or Fury, pulling every baseless argument out of every orifice of my being to scream “ROBBERY!!”

Why is that?

Because I have new found respect for both boxers. Because I recognize that at least 8 of the rounds could have been scored either way and I scored more of those for Wilder realtime.

I will continue to eviscerate Fury jockmites for as long as they spew their biased vomit on this forum, just as I have eviscerated Pacmites and Floydiots over the years.

Fury fought as well as could be expected. He deserves great credit for what he has accomplished. So does Wilder.

I'm never biased in relation to boxers I root for.

You literally cannot make this hilarious sh!t up.

[DrDuke]

“The Doc” is utterly, 100% biased, and he has been since way before this fight, as has been Atrollo and Homi and an army of Fury jockmites who were destined to claim wide victory for Fury if he made it to the final bell, no matter what actually happened in the ring.

I saw it the exact opposite of them, but you do not see me denigrating the judges or Fury, pulling every baseless argument out of every orifice of my being to scream “ROBBERY!!”

Why is that?

Because I have new found respect for both boxers. Because I recognize that at least 8 of the rounds could have been scored either way and I scored more of those for Wilder realtime.

I will continue to eviscerate Fury jockmites for as long as they spew their biased vomit on this forum, just as I have eviscerated Pacmites and Floydiots over the years.

Fury fought as well as could be expected. He deserves great credit for what he has accomplished. So does Wilder.

I'm never biased in relation to boxers I root for.

You literally cannot make this hilarious sh!t up.

The most hilarious thing, that you suddenly can't prove it wrong. Again.