Your Heavyweight Ranking Update

[Duran1970]

Wilder
Fury
Joshua
Ortiz

Then the rest of em

[Mexi-Box]

Putting Povetkin and usyk ahead of Wilder is ridiculous...

Not really. I think Povetkin is done at the top due to his age. Really, I didn't even want to rank him. It's all personal preference here, though.

[dagilechia]

Putting Povetkin and usyk ahead of Wilder is ridiculous...

Povetkin has his arguments to be higher, than Wilder. His overall resume is better. Usyk obviously can't be even rated as a HW for the moment.

yeah, i rank Povetkin above Wilder because i believe that Povetkin even at this point would most likely defeat Wilder. i would love to see how Wilder deals with Povetkin's pressure like he did in the first half vs Joshua. Wilder is much more open than AJ and also he is physically weaker. also, in AJ vs Povetkin fight it's Joshua's body punches that did imporant job, i can't see Wilder landing much to Povetkin's body. Of course, Wilder can land his big right hand and knock Povetkin out, but Povetkin is still my favourite in this fight. despite the fact that Wilder defeated Ortiz i think that Ortiz could be a more difficult opponent for Povetkin than Wilder is. unfortunately, we will never know because Povetkin vs Wilder will never happen.

[Duran1970]

I rate on current accomplishments, not who could beat who... that's how rankings work...
Hell maybe big baby Miller could beat Wilder, but I'm not gonna rate him higher..

[jamamb]

how do you have wilder #1 if its acomplishments

[dagilechia]

Povetkin's resume and Wilder's resume are comparable, especially if someone (like me) counts Wilder vs Fury as Wilder's loss

[DrDuke]

Putting Povetkin and usyk ahead of Wilder is ridiculous...

Povetkin has his arguments to be higher, than Wilder. His overall resume is better. Usyk obviously can't be even rated as a HW for the moment.

yeah, i rank Povetkin above Wilder because i believe that Povetkin even at this point would most likely defeat Wilder. i would love to see how Wilder deals with Povetkin's pressure like he did in the first half vs Joshua. Wilder is much more open than AJ and also he is physically weaker. also, in AJ vs Povetkin fight it's Joshua's body punches that did imporant job, i can't see Wilder landing much to Povetkin's body. Of course, Wilder can land his big right hand and knock Povetkin out, but Povetkin is still my favourite in this fight. despite the fact that Wilder defeated Ortiz i think that Ortiz could be a more difficult opponent for Povetkin than Wilder is. unfortunately, we will never know because Povetkin vs Wilder will never happen.

Povetkin's resume and Wilder's resume are comparable, especially if someone (like me) counts Wilder vs Fury as Wilder's loss

Yeah, good points. Povetkin is very likely to at least daze Wilder early. Deontay has to survive for the mid-rounds though. Since then Povetkin's chances decrease significantly.

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1. Joshua
2. Fury
3. Wilder
4. Povetkin
5. Ortiz
6. Whyte
7. Pulev
8. Miller
9. Parker
10. Chisora
11. Kownacki
12. Breazeale
13. Hrgovic
14. Kabayel
15. Hunter/Joyce

Hunter and Joyce obviously need to fight. Literally can't split them for that last spot...

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How did recent fights affected your HW rankings?

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Alexander Povetkin
4.Deontay Wilder
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Kubrat Pulev
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Dillian Whyte
9.Joseph Parker
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dominic Breazeale
12.Filip Hrgović
13.Dereck Chisora
14.Bryant Jennings
15.Michael Hunter/Sergey Kuzmin

Seems we share 14 out of 16 names.

Apart from a couple of differences in order (neither here nor there, since there's so little separating some of them), all I've really done is took out Jennings and Kuzmin, and added Kabayel and Joyce.

[dagilechia]

How did recent fights affected your HW rankings?

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Alexander Povetkin
4.Deontay Wilder
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Kubrat Pulev
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Dillian Whyte
9.Joseph Parker
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dominic Breazeale
12.Filip Hrgović
13.Dereck Chisora
14.Bryant Jennings
15.Michael Hunter/Sergey Kuzmin

Seems we share 14 out of 16 names.

Apart from a couple of differences in order (neither here nor there, since there's so little separating some of them), all I've really done is took out Jennings and Kuzmin, and added Kabayel and Joyce.

after reading your list i have immediately noticed that it's very similar to mine, and most likely i would rank Kabayel and Joyce at #17 and #18

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How did recent fights affected your HW rankings?

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Alexander Povetkin
4.Deontay Wilder
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Kubrat Pulev
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Dillian Whyte
9.Joseph Parker
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dominic Breazeale
12.Filip Hrgović
13.Dereck Chisora
14.Bryant Jennings
15.Michael Hunter/Sergey Kuzmin

Seems we share 14 out of 16 names.

Apart from a couple of differences in order (neither here nor there, since there's so little separating some of them), all I've really done is took out Jennings and Kuzmin, and added Kabayel and Joyce.

after reading your list i have immediately noticed that it's very similar to mine, and most likely i would rank Kabayel and Joyce at #17 and #18

Jennings and Kuzmin would likely be next on mine, too. I can't really rate the likes of Schwarz and the two Zhangs yet, as some have, and the usual suspects (Duhaupas, Hammer, Washington, or even Ruiz and Hughie etc) just don't belong at the moment.

Usyk should probably look towards the Whyte/Chisora loser, or one of Parker, Pulev, Kownacki or Breazeale for his first fight at HW, then Miller before targeting the top guys. He'll be a very interesting addition.

[dagilechia]

Seems we share 14 out of 16 names.

Apart from a couple of differences in order (neither here nor there, since there's so little separating some of them), all I've really done is took out Jennings and Kuzmin, and added Kabayel and Joyce.

after reading your list i have immediately noticed that it's very similar to mine, and most likely i would rank Kabayel and Joyce at #17 and #18

Jennings and Kuzmin would likely be next on mine, too. I can't really rate the likes of Schwarz and the two Zhangs yet, as some have, and the usual suspects (Duhaupas, Hammer, Washington, or even Ruiz and Hughie etc) just don't belong at the moment.

Usyk should probably look towards the Whyte/Chisora loser, or one of Parker, Pulev, Kownacki or Breazeale for his first fight at HW, then Miller before targeting the top guys. He'll be a very interesting addition.

of course those are good choices, but i would like to see Usyk in his first fight at HW against Breazeale. he needs to fight the tall guys, and he needs to get used to it. though i would love to see Usyk vs Povetkin (even at this point when Povetkin is past his best and was just knocked out by AJ). but now, my dream ''Usyk vs'' match-up is Usyk vs Fury, that would be a very unusual fight, i would love to see it. out of the ''big 3'' Joshua, Fury and Wilder, imo Wilder seems the most beatable for Usyk. well, Wilder is just is much more beatable for everyone, not only for Usyk, than Joshua and Fury, he is much more open than them so it easier to hit him, he is physically weaker, it's much easier to win rounds against him (even C-level fighters Szpilka and Washington were winning rounds against him) but he has a big equalizer in his right hand, that's it.

but what if Wilder fought a big guy, even a C-level fighter, but with decent stamina and with granite chin? imagine for example Wilder vs prime Mariusz Wach. i know, that sounds silly for most but if Washington and Szpilka were winning rounds vs Wilder then prime Wach certainly could as well and most likely he wouldn't get knocked out or even knocked down. also Wach is as tall as Wilder and physically stronger. of course i mean PRIME Mariusz Wach, not Mariusz Wach that we know today. styles make fights and attributes and flaws of fighters make fights as well

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after reading your list i have immediately noticed that it's very similar to mine, and most likely i would rank Kabayel and Joyce at #17 and #18

Jennings and Kuzmin would likely be next on mine, too. I can't really rate the likes of Schwarz and the two Zhangs yet, as some have, and the usual suspects (Duhaupas, Hammer, Washington, or even Ruiz and Hughie etc) just don't belong at the moment.

Usyk should probably look towards the Whyte/Chisora loser, or one of Parker, Pulev, Kownacki or Breazeale for his first fight at HW, then Miller before targeting the top guys. He'll be a very interesting addition.

of course those are good choices, but i would like to see Usyk in his first fight at HW against Breazeale. he needs to fight the tall guys, and he needs to get used to it. though i would love to see Usyk vs Povetkin (even at this point when Povetkin is past his best and was just knocked out by AJ). but now, my dream ''Usyk vs'' match-up is Usyk vs Fury, that would be a very unusual fight, i would love to see it. out of the ''big 3'' Joshua, Fury and Wilder, imo Wilder seems the most beatable for Usyk. well, Wilder is just is much more beatable for everyone, not only for Usyk, than Joshua and Fury, he is much more open than them so it easier to hit him, he is physically weaker, it's much easier to win rounds against him (even C-level fighters Szpilka and Washington were winning rounds against him) but he has a big equalizer in his right hand, that's it.

but what if Wilder fought a big guy, even a C-level fighter, but with decent stamina and with granite chin? imagine for example Wilder vs prime Mariusz Wach. i know, that sounds silly for most but if Washington and Szpilka were winning rounds vs Wilder then prime Wach certainly could as well and most likely he wouldn't get knocked out or even knocked down. also Wach is as tall as Wilder and physically stronger. of course i mean PRIME Mariusz Wach, not Mariusz Wach that we know today. styles make fights and attributes and flaws of fighters make fights as well

Good points on Usyk. Totally agree on Breazeale, I just think of the names I mentioned, that might be the most difficult to make (he'll likely be tied up by Wilder).

Wilder is an interesting one. I agree his height and reach give him the platform he needs to use his wild, lunging style. Take that away, and I think you'd see as big a drop in his results as if you took away his power. The reality is though, he does have those attributes. Him vs the Wach that went 12 with Wlad would be a difficult one. I see Wach taking rounds, and I don't know if Wilder could take him out late, or not. Who gets the decision though, assuming the fight happens in America? Could Wach take enough rounds to avoid the obvious?

That fighter doesn't exist today though. The closest is Breazeale, and I don't think he reacts well once Wilder lands a couple, or lasts well into the late rounds. However that fight goes, Wilder takes him out eventually.

[Duran1970]

how do you have wilder #1 if its acomplishments

Quality of opposition.. Ortiz and Fury fights are more meaningful to me than a washed up Wladimir fights from AJ and Fury...also he wins more impressively ko ing his opponents unlike fury and Joshua who are in some stinkers except AJ vs Wladimir which was a good fight...Wilders willing to take on all the top guys ie Ortiz Fury and even tried with AJ who at this point wants nothing to do with him..maybe that's Hearns fault but either way you want to look at it Wilder is #1

[jamamb]

i would say a lot of that is highly debatble and not clear wilder #1 at all

1. both wilder and aj are stopping guys a bunch, aj hasnt had to win by decision any more times than wilder has. wilder has also had a decision, also stopped a guy on his feet without any knockdowns, also had a prolonged corner retirment etc. of there common opponents aj has stopped all faster then wilder. fury though defo is more of a stinker then the other two, but i think hes just effective in a different way.

2. its highly debatable that beating ortiz and drawing with fury is at all supeiror to beating wlad and drawing with ortiz. you say you want to go by accomplishment, yet you rate ortiz ahead of wlad? seems like you just shift the criteria to get what you want.

3.. highly debatable as to the result from saturday, i think its totally legitimate to think fury did enough and imo fair game for people to then rate him ahead of wilder

4. to me aj clearly has the deepest resume of wins even though hes been pro half the time of the other two. that to me, and neither wilder or fury stamping a win, has aj number one for me. i think hes the best too

aj: wlad, povetkin, parker, whyte, breazeale, takam, molina ko 3
fury: wlad, chisora, hammer, cunningham, ...kevin johnson?
wilder: ortiz, stiverne, washington, szpilka, duhupas,scott, molina ko 9

ajs been a pro 5 years. wilder didnt even fight jason gavern until like 6 years in. the first consensus top 10 opponent he faced was 7 years into his career. ajs been moved way more ambitiously no doubt.

[Duran1970]

Wlads finished ...has been for some time now... "Current" accomplishments..
In my opinion the fury and Ortiz fights hold more stock than any of Parker, Povetkin and those other "contenders" AJ beat..everyone has Ortiz and Fury in their top 5...who in the top 5 has aj beat. Or Povetkin beat...or fury beat..?
I think Ortiz can beat AJ..but I'm not gonna rate him higher....your judging with your heart.. obviously by repeating how you think Wilder lost... Newsflash....he didn't.

[Duran1970]

All those names you listed can be grouped all the same...bums..
I only put value for wins against the top guys...
Their resumes are close they all have bum defences...u want me to separate duhaupas, brazeale, spilka, Molina etc? All non descript.....Wilder has pulled away from them in his last two fights..and calling out top guys...

[jamamb]

if its about accomplishments the long time champ wlad that fury beat easily was the most accomplished, not anyone who wilder beat. in terms of short term ortiz best win in the last 2 years had been a decision over malik scott (wlad had ktfo pulev etc) and overall hes obviously way less accomplished. fury then has that win over long reigning wlad and the same result vs wilder that wilder has vs him. imo, if were just singling out the absolute best results, fury can easily be rated above wilder. and if were talking resume depth aj easily has the most of the three despite being pro half the time. if you look at most top 10 and top 15 lists he pretty much has always beaten the most guys on there.

the stuff you said about wilder stopping guys is easily applicable to aj like i said, have you even bothered to check this stuff out? ajs also only had to win once by decision, stopped both there common opponents faster, etc.and wilders had a decision, a proloinged standing stoppage, etc too. dont really understand you at all on that point, wilders had more issues prior to stopping guys too, he even struggled with eric molina (EAsy job for aj) and szpilka. and fury, its just his style to not be a ko artist, but its effective. wilder didnt beat him after all.

i never said fury officially beat wilder, but its a reasonable opinion to think, like most seemingly do, that he deserved it and factor that into ones positioning of wilder and fury. if your so rigid about using official results then must we rank them as even?

basically, its pretty silly to say wilder is hands down 1 and aj in particualr has been moved far more ambitiously then any other top hw around. put him on wilders schedule and he wouldnt be facing jason gavern for another year

[Duran1970]

There is no right or wrong here..it's all a matter of opinion..
You asked for my top heavies I gave it...u disagree so be it...u have AJ at the top I don't..not until he beats a Fury Wilder Ortiz etc...Wladimir was finished and almost beat him...I don't hate AJ.. just want him to step up and fight Wilder..
Have a good day

[jamamb]

fair enough