FURY vs WILDER was big financial success !

[dickbelden]

https://www.bjpenn.com/boxing-news/tyso ... g-success/ https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/12 ... v-success/

[semisports]

I predicted a 400,000 buy and I predict the rematch to do 1.5 million.

[gilgamesh]

I predicted a 400,000 buy and I predict the rematch to do 1.5 million.

It wasn't a great enough fight to excite that many more people for the rematch. It had a few dramatic moments so it'll definitely sell, but I doubt very highly it'll sell nearly 4x better.

[actjac]

I predicted a 400,000 buy and I predict the rematch to do 1.5 million.

It wasn't a great enough fight to excite that many more people for the rematch. It had a few dramatic moments so it'll definitely sell, but I doubt very highly it'll sell nearly 4x better.

A few years ago I predicted that this era of hevyweights (Wilder, Fury, Parker, Joshua and Usyk) would be the golden age of the division and through round-robin fights it would build to do huge numbers. I will now eliminate Parker because his management decided to through him into the Whyte fight rather than ease him back into the mix after the defeat by Joshua. I see that the other four will continue to maximize their earning potential as they fight each other similar to what Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Duran did a generation ago. I believe that the rematch of Fury vs Wilder WILL do those kind of numbers (1.5 million) because the media will get behind it and promote it from just an interesting match-up to now a great fight.

[gilgamesh]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

Time will tell.

I think a Fury vs Wilder rematch will do bigger numbers if either of them fights AJ first. AJ seems to be the big marquee draw in the division right now, and if either of them can put up a memorable effort against him even in defeat it likely raises their stock, and makes them more of a draw.

[boxing_rocks]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

I doubt that May vs Pac was good for the sport. I bet many casual fans who wasted their money said "Never again".

However, Wilder vs Fury was much more entertaining and has a potential to be even more entertaining in the rematch.

[semisports]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

Time will tell.

I think a Fury vs Wilder rematch will do bigger numbers if either of them fights AJ first. AJ seems to be the big marquee draw in the division right now, and if either of them can put up a memorable effort against him even in defeat it likely raises their stock, and makes them more of a draw.

If promoters are smart with an eye to the future (working together is asking too much) they will build these round robin bouts to spread out over a number of years and match them strategically. I would also enter China's massive audience into the mix and include at least one Zhang Zhilei fight (probably versus Olympic rival Anthony Joshua).

[gilgamesh]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

Time will tell.

I think a Fury vs Wilder rematch will do bigger numbers if either of them fights AJ first. AJ seems to be the big marquee draw in the division right now, and if either of them can put up a memorable effort against him even in defeat it likely raises their stock, and makes them more of a draw.

If promoters are smart with an eye to the future (working together is asking too much) they will build these round robin bouts to spread out over a number of years and match them strategically. I would also enter China's massive audience into the mix and include at least one Zhang Zhilei fight (probably versus Olympic rival Anthony Joshua).

One would be all because Zhang will be smashed with ease at that level.

[gilgamesh]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

I doubt that May vs Pac was good for the sport. I bet many casual fans who wasted their money said "Never again".

However, Wilder vs Fury was much more entertaining and has a potential to be even more entertaining in the rematch.

Yeah probably not, but the fact that it sold as well as it did 5 or 6 years after it's sell-by date just goes to show how little attention the general public pays to the sport in the first place. Apparently it takes the general public a long time to understand that guys ain't what they used to be.

[SenorPipino]

Rematches seldom outdraw the original.

Despite all the attention-grabbing controversy, Canelo-Golovkin 2 drew about 200,000 fewer buys than the first fight.

Wilder-Fury 2 may or may not buck the trend but I doubt very much that it will do appreciably better.

Maybe 100,000 or so more.

That 1.5 million prediction just ain't going to happen. There still aren't enough hardcore boxing fans to provide a PPV number like that.

Fury and Wilder still remain largely unknown in the US, and the lucrative Latino market isn't going to buy a fight featuring 2 gringo heavyweights.

And don't expect the media to get behind it. When does the media focus on boxing any longer?

It would be a major success if the rematch came close to 500,000 buys.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Rematches seldom outdraw the original.

Despite all the attention-grabbing controversy, Canelo-Golovkin 2 drew about 200,000 fewer buys than the first fight.

That 1.5 million prediction just ain't going to happen. There still aren't enough hardcore boxing fans to provide a PPV number like that.

The Canelo-GGG rematch PPV price was higher than the first. Despite the lesser buys,’it actually generates more revenue.

It’s true about hardcore fans. Thing is.. some just don’t think it’s worth buying a PPV. Apparently 10 million around the world watched via an illegal stream. Imagine those people paid for it? The boxers purses would have sky rocketed. There is still a huge fan base out there for boxing. Unfortunately majority don’t want to pay extra to watch it.

In the UK it’s £20.. and tonnes still watch via illegal streams.

[Onetimeonly]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

I doubt that May vs Pac was good for the sport. I bet many casual fans who wasted their money said "Never again".

However, Wilder vs Fury was much more entertaining and has a potential to be even more entertaining in the rematch.

Those casual fans bought may vs McGregor too. It's not about the action, those fights transcend the sport. It's about "the fight" once in a blue moon. Kind of like I watch the world cup.

[gilgamesh]

Rematches seldom outdraw the original.

Despite all the attention-grabbing controversy, Canelo-Golovkin 2 drew about 200,000 fewer buys than the first fight.

Wilder-Fury 2 may or may not buck the trend but I doubt very much that it will do appreciably better.

Maybe 100,000 or so more.

That 1.5 million prediction just ain't going to happen. There still aren't enough hardcore boxing fans to provide a PPV number like that.

Fury and Wilder still remain largely unknown in the US, and the lucrative Latino market isn't going to buy a fight featuring 2 gringo heavyweights.

And don't expect the media to get behind it. When does the media focus on boxing any longer?

It would be a major success if the rematch came close to 500,000 buys.

Tyson vs Holyfield 2 held the record for PPV sales at one time. So while Rematches seldom outdraw the original it's not impossible for them to do so.

Of course Tyson vs Holyfield was one of the best fights of the previous year too so that definitely helped.

[man]

I mean I'd like for that to be the case certainly because it'd be good for the sport for it to gain that kinda significance in the eyes of the general public, but I just don't see it.

I doubt that May vs Pac was good for the sport. I bet many casual fans who wasted their money said "Never again".

i'm one of them. that was ridiculously
boring.

[oogiebe]

It's tracking at 300,000 PPV buys. Hardly a 'big financial success.'

[Mexi-Box]

It's not a big financial success. I've read 250K to break even. They did ~330K. It's not bad at all, and it's definitely a good starting point. I think the rematch will be bigger, but I don't expect anywhere near 1 million. I'm thinking 500K is about right for the rematch.

Anyways, it's a success considering the numbers we've been seeing from other PPVs.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It's tracking at 300,000 PPV buys. Hardly a 'big financial success.'

It’s gonna max at 325k buys. Which, when comparing prices, is the same as 1.2m buys in the UK.

[jamamb]

what was the us price?

josh vs pov was 25.50 american and did atleast 1.2m ive heard, which is over 30m us

[oogiebe]

what was the us price?

josh vs pov was 25.50 american and did atleast 1.2m ive heard, which is over 30m us

$79.99 USD

[Onetimeonly]

what was the us price?

josh vs pov was 25.50 american and did atleast 1.2m ive heard, which is over 30m us

Josh/pov was on dazn. 9.99 a month. Fury/wilder was 75, with fees about 90.

[jamamb]

in the uk it was the equivallent of 25.50 us is what i meant, and i think it set the all time ppv record there doing over 1.2

man those us ppvs are exorbitant

[Onetimeonly]

in the uk it was the equivallent of 25.50 us is what i meant, and i think it set the all time ppv record there doing over 1.2

man those us ppvs are exorbitant

I got you. Yeah it's insane. With that and two UFC events this month my bill will be about 450.

[tiny_acres]

in the uk it was the equivallent of 25.50 us is what i meant, and i think it set the all time ppv record there doing over 1.2

man those us ppvs are exorbitant

I got you. Yeah it's insane. With that and two UFC events this month my bill will be about 450.

Holy crap!!!!
I got 2 tickets to the fight for just under $500. I think that was a better deal

cable has become a rip off

[Onetimeonly]

in the uk it was the equivallent of 25.50 us is what i meant, and i think it set the all time ppv record there doing over 1.2

man those us ppvs are exorbitant

I got you. Yeah it's insane. With that and two UFC events this month my bill will be about 450.

Holy crap!!!!
I got 2 tickets to the fight for just under $500. I think that was a better deal

cable has become a rip off

Totally, it's rare now though. Ten years ago there were at least 1 boxing ppv, UFC and pride every month. Though shortly thereafter sopcast streams were so reliable I paid for nothing.

[tiny_acres]

I got you. Yeah it's insane. With that and two UFC events this month my bill will be about 450.

Holy crap!!!!
I got 2 tickets to the fight for just under $500. I think that was a better deal

cable has become a rip off

Totally, it's rare now though. Ten years ago there were at least 1 boxing ppv, UFC and pride every month. Though shortly thereafter sopcast streams were so reliable I paid for nothing.

I normally just get a free stream. But We came in to a large sum from a lawsuit and my beautiful wife
bought me the tickets for my birthday.
Great time I'd do it again in a heart beat