We always talk about the exciting -- Who are the most boring fighters of all time ?

[Ambling Alp II]

You may have killed this thread.
To me, the object is to hit and not be hit.
Some guys take the be hit to an extreme and don't do much offensively. .ie. Camacho is the 2nd half of his career.

Can't believe Basilio, Fullmer, and LaMotta have been listed in here.

[Onetimeonly]

Especially basilio. He's not out of place in a top 10 most exciting.

[evrenb]

and Ali? I mean really?????

[BitPlayer]

South Wales Daily News 6th September 1877 (page 4)
One of the most disgusting exhibitions which has ever taken place in connection with the so-called “noble art” has been witnessed in the Cambridge Hall, Newman-street, London. T. Scrutton and J. Knifton two well- known amateur boxers, had agreed to contest a glove fight under what are known as the Marquis of Queensberry's rules for a silver cup of the value of £25; and so much interest was manifested in the affair that the hall was filled with well nigh as motley and ruffianly a crowd as could be brought together. Previous to the event of the evening several exhibitions of sparring were given, some of which were really very excellent displays; all the elements of brutality present in the combat which was the cause of the meeting being in these earlier sets-to conspicuous by their absence. About a quarter to eleven the men stepped upon the raised platform or “ring” which had been erected in the centre of the building. Both were big men, belonging to the class called heavy weights, but the almost total want of condition exhibited by Scrutton augured badly for his chance of success with his powerful opponent. In order to give an idea of the two men, we may mention that Knifton, who is quite a young man, not yet having attained his 22nd year, stands 6ft ¾in. in his sock, weighs 14st. 2ib., and is familiarly known by the sobriquet of the "81 tonner." He is a splendid specimen of an athlete, and one could not but regret that he should be willing to take part in such a disgusting and brutal encounter as that which followed. His opponent, who is ten years his senior, is greatly inferior in point of physique, standing only 5ft. 8½in. in height, whilst his weight amounted to 15 stone, a deal of flesh carried in what is technically termed as “below the belt." The four seconds having taken up their positions outside the ring, time was called by the referee, and the fight commenced. Several rounds were fought of a wild rough and tumble character productive of exhaustion to the obese combatants, but as they had “mittens” on little physical damage was done. During the contest the excitement had been intense, most of those present shouting out advice, not unmingled with curses, to the struggling men, who, hugging each other as closely It possible, and reeling all over the ropes, were repeating the disgusting scenes of the earlier rounds. Just before the conclusion of the third round an additional element of excitement was introduced, the gas being partially extinguished by the proprietor of the hall, who, seeing the turn, affairs were taking, wished to put an end to the proceedings. After several minutes had been spent in noisy altercation between the seconds and others connected with the fight another round was fought in partial darkness, amidst in indescribable scene of confusion. It is impossible to describe with accuracy what followed, as the gas was continually being turned off and on suffice it to say, that the fighting and mauling continued till eight rounds had been gone through, when the hall was put in total darkness by the few lights then burning being extinguished. After about half a minute had elapsed a few lights were procured, and another scene between the seconds occurred. At length, after the expiration of several minutes, the referee ordered the men to recommence, which they accordingly did, though, despite the rest they bad had, they were terribly exhausted. Another scrambling and disgusting exhibition followed, and then the lights being again reduced in number the referrer left. refusing to give a decision, and so the result remains in abeyance.

[Ambling Alp II]

and Ali? I mean really?????

Not surprised about that. There have always been a lot of people who don't like Ali and therefore we get comments like that. But Basilio, Fullmer, and LaMotta really surprised me. Basilio and Fullmer had the two great fights against each, their fights with Robinson. Basilio also had the fight with DeMarco. LaMotta also had the Robinson fights, the fight against Cerdan and Dauthille. There was usually a lot of action in their fights.

[DrDuke]

and Ali? I mean really?????

Not surprised about that. There have always been a lot of people who don't like Ali and therefore we get comments like that. But Basilio, Fullmer, and LaMotta really surprised me. Basilio and Fullmer had the two great fights against each, their fights with Robinson. Basilio also had the fight with DeMarco. LaMotta also had the Robinson fights, the fight against Cerdan and Dauthille. There was usually a lot of action in their fights.

How the hell was Fullmer entertaining? He was spoilong every effing fight with his goddamn dirty clinching.

[Ambling Alp II]

To which I say, no he wasn't.

[Abradolf Lincler]

I see no validity to the criticisms in this thread about Whitaker's performance against Chavez. He did take the fight to him. He was literally beating Chavez up ON THE INSIDE in the 7th and 8th rounds, just to prove he could. Chastising him for not keeping at it all fight long is essentially saying he doesn't get credit because he didn't fight stupid. He wasn't a power puncher. Chavez was, had a granite chin, and was highly skilled himself. Whitaker gave him a taste of his own medicine for two rounds, otherwise he cleanly out-boxed him like he did everyone else. It would've been downright idiotic to go tit for tat with Chavez for the whole fight, and Whitaker wasn't a stupid fighter. He didn't just defy expectations and neutralize Chavez, he dominated the match from every angle. Stop with the revisionism.

If that criticism was leveled solely at his performance against Oscar, I'd understand. Then again I don't really think the aging, coke-addled Whitaker could give much more than he gave by that point in his career. It has his last hurrah.

[APerno]

and Ali? I mean really?????

IMO he grabbed too often. He had this intangible talent for stopping fights from breaking out during a fight. Great for him but if he grabs the back of Frazier's head one more time I am going to throw something at the TV screen. (Even now, when I watch a replay of Ali-Frazier II, I still get annoyed.)

No, the truth is - the man was boring to watch; a master opportunist, no doubt. but IMO he fits into the category mentioned above: 'anti-boxer.'

The list isn't about greatness or wins, it's about 'watching' these guys fight!

I never understood the Willie Pep anecdote, how he won a round (on two judges score cards, not three) but never threw a single punch.

Why is that considered great? Not throwing a punch and two bad judges not realizing it, should not be the definition of a 'great moment in boxing,' but somehow it is.

Ali was great; Ali was boring to watch fight.

[Bodyshot3]

The 'hometown' Germans!

Henry "Mogadon" Maske surely has to figure.........the Germans adored him but were probably already pissed-up on good Pilsner and too busy stuffing themselves with Bratwurst to watch the action (or total absence of it).

I watched a Maske 'thriller' in a sports bar and its the one time boxing was on and I switched seats to see some footie

Markus Beyer was also deeply tedious and extremely lucky indeed......Mikkel Kessler deserves another belt for terminating Beyer's yawnfest career with something infinitely more worthwhile and interesting.

[Ambling Alp II]

and Ali? I mean really?????

IMO he grabbed too often. He had this intangible talent for stopping fights from breaking out during a fight. Great for him but if he grabs the back of Frazier's head one more time I am going to throw something at the TV screen. (Even now, when I watch a replay of Ali-Frazier II, I still get annoyed.)

No, the truth is - the man was boring to watch; a master opportunist, no doubt. but IMO he fits into the category mentioned above: 'anti-boxer.'

The list isn't about greatness or wins, it's about 'watching' these guys fight!

I never understood the Willie Pep anecdote, how he won a round (on two judges score cards, not three) but never threw a single punch.

Why is that considered great? Not throwing a punch and two bad judges not realizing it, should not be the definition of a 'great moment in boxing,' but somehow it is.

Ali was great; Ali was boring to watch fight.

Trying watching him before the ban. All of his title fights from Liston to Folley are fun to watch. Even some of his pre-title fights when he was still a work in progress were fun to watch. See his fights against Doug Jones, Archie Moore etc.

After he came back, he still had some good ones. The Foreman fight was very exciting. And of course the Thrilla in Manila.

[jas80s]

A couple of modern guys to throw in to the mix..

Sergio Mora and Ishe Smith

[elmersalsa]

Wilfred Benitez
Floyd Mayweather, Jr at Welterweight
John Ruiz
Pernell Whitaker at Welterweight