could loma be permanently impacted?

[jamamb]

he looked more tentative to press tonight then ive seen. even after almost stopping pedraza, he ends the fight by dancing around and not throwing. he won very widely of course but that was mainly for being more accurate in a patty cake fight.

hes coming off shoulder injury and surgery

anyone think it may phsyically impacted him or made him mentally hesistant to committ? it makes me wonder if another physical salido type could have sucess against him, if hes not comitting enough to keep them off

[ironbeard]

Only makes sense.

[ironbeard]

Could be the Linares fight taught him to be more cautious at 135.

[Breaducce]

Loma's a great fighter but I'm just not buying this best thing since slice bread narrative that is perpetuated by a lot of Loma's fans and the boxing media. The guy very skilled and no one disputes that but he continues to be sold as the second coming when he obviously is not. We have seen better fighters then him come and go. If people would push the breaks on these overblown expectations and narratives and just let the guy fight it would be the best thing that will ever happen for his career.

[jamamb]

i agree about that, and we saw last fight clearly he is human too

but i think regardless of how good someone is thought to be and may or may not be, injuries like that an make a difference, especially when its a shoulder , he just seemed very tentative to me and even when he was clearly in control and seemingly not getting much threat from pedraza

[victor-romeo]

Loma's a great fighter but I'm just not buying this best thing since slice bread narrative that is perpetuated by a lot of Loma's fans and the boxing media. The guy very skilled and no one disputes that but he continues to be sold as the second coming when he obviously is not. We have seen better fighters then him come and go. If people would push the breaks on these overblown expectations and narratives and just let the guy fight it would be the best thing that will ever happen for his career.

Loma is a 2 time olympic gold medalist , 3 weight division champion and boxing innovator, who coming off shoulder surgery not fighting at his best weight beat a larger fighter by wide score ..Loma is one of the better fighters I have ever seen..The thing with Loma is he had the long amateur career is already 30 years old has about 2 good years in him. So he enjoy him while he lasts you won't see a special fighter like this again ..in a long while

[Mexi-Box]

Loma's a great fighter but I'm just not buying this best thing since slice bread narrative that is perpetuated by a lot of Loma's fans and the boxing media. The guy very skilled and no one disputes that but he continues to be sold as the second coming when he obviously is not. We have seen better fighters then him come and go. If people would push the breaks on these overblown expectations and narratives and just let the guy fight it would be the best thing that will ever happen for his career.

Loma is a 2 time olympic gold medalist , 3 weight division champion and boxing innovator, who coming off shoulder surgery not fighting at his best weight beat a larger fighter by wide score ..Loma is one of the better fighters I have ever seen..The thing with Loma is he had the long amateur career is already 30 years old has about 2 good years in him. So he enjoy him while he lasts you won't see a special fighter like this again ..in a long while

We're seeing his countryman be special too. Usyk and Gvozdyk are both looking very special. I mean this trio is amazing so far.

[Breaducce]

Loma's a great fighter but I'm just not buying this best thing since slice bread narrative that is perpetuated by a lot of Loma's fans and the boxing media. The guy very skilled and no one disputes that but he continues to be sold as the second coming when he obviously is not. We have seen better fighters then him come and go. If people would push the breaks on these overblown expectations and narratives and just let the guy fight it would be the best thing that will ever happen for his career.

Loma is a 2 time olympic gold medalist , 3 weight division champion and boxing innovator, who coming off shoulder surgery not fighting at his best weight beat a larger fighter by wide score ..Loma is one of the better fighters I have ever seen..The thing with Loma is he had the long amateur career is already 30 years old has about 2 good years in him. So he enjoy him while he lasts you won't see a special fighter like this again ..in a long while

I was referring to his pro career and in that regard he is not meeting this once ever special fighter narrative that is being projected on him. He has yet to fight a great fighter at or above his weight class and has lost to Salido so how can he be one of the better fighters you have ever seen at this point in his career? I don't control his career trajectory I just comment on what I see which is a fighter that is greatly skilled but still vastly overrated by so many fans and media members. And I've seen better boxers then Loma come and go and I have no doubt that this will continue much sooner then you anticipate. I mean I would argue that Terrence Crawford is more of a special fighter the Loma.

[lazboy]

Hopefully someone can put a punch output stat together comparing it to his previous fights.

I’ve heard maybe outdated medical advice that you don’t fully recover from these types of injuries and surgery’s although maybe that’s when doctors were using leeches.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Could be the Linares fight taught him to be more cautious at 135.

I thought this as well. The higher the weights you go up, the more naturally bigger guys you will fight. I think Pedraza was same size as him..

His first fight since surgery. Arum said he will be much better in April/May. His next fight.

[klitoris]

He's coming off a surgery and knows that there is threat of re injuring. Its better to not take any stupid risks than to go all out in an already won fight, reinjure the shoulder and then have to miss another 6 months if not more. There is probably still some slight discomfort that can only go away with time

[Ricky]

Loma's a great fighter but I'm just not buying this best thing since slice bread narrative that is perpetuated by a lot of Loma's fans and the boxing media. The guy very skilled and no one disputes that but he continues to be sold as the second coming when he obviously is not. We have seen better fighters then him come and go. If people would push the breaks on these overblown expectations and narratives and just let the guy fight it would be the best thing that will ever happen for his career.

Loma is a 2 time olympic gold medalist , 3 weight division champion and boxing innovator, who coming off shoulder surgery not fighting at his best weight beat a larger fighter by wide score ..Loma is one of the better fighters I have ever seen..The thing with Loma is he had the long amateur career is already 30 years old has about 2 good years in him. So he enjoy him while he lasts you won't see a special fighter like this again ..in a long while

it wasn't a great match up. Pedraza boxed and moved well but he has feather fists with no real way to win.

Loma's onslaught in r11 was insane. His punch accuracy i incredible. Other than r11 the fight was a snoozer.

[Onetimeonly]

Most of his fights bore me.

[greg]

..Loma is neither a KO artist nor is he a superhuman in my book..coming off an injury and boxing against a taller beltholder with an impressive 14 centimeters reach advantage and still making him miss a lot winning basically every round, is more than a decent performance..

[Onetimeonly]

I didn't think he looked bad. I was watching it after the UFC and my DVR cut out for a second in the 7th and I didn't bother with putting it back on, up to that point he was typically dominant against an overmatched opponent.

[TheGingerBomber]

Pedraza’s ability and gameplan made Loma look tentative. Credit to him, his feints and switching made for an interesting fight for most of it.

He’s too good in the end though, what an incredible fighter.

[oogiebe]

i agree about that, and we saw last fight clearly he is human too

but i think regardless of how good someone is thought to be and may or may not be, injuries like that an make a difference, especially when its a shoulder , he just seemed very tentative to me and even when he was clearly in control and seemingly not getting much threat from pedraza

Having had a shoulder injury and subsequent surgery, I agree, it's hard to 'trust' it for a spell.

[DrDuke]

I guess, Pedraza was just good enough. Loma was so close to stopping him, a lot would have nomased, Pedraza showed quite some amount of heart.

[SenorPipino]

Lomachenko is fast, accurate and has some pop in his shots.

But he's not a true KO puncher.

At 135, don't expect him to stop any of the top division fighters.

I don't believe that the shoulder surgery hindered Lomachenko's performance.

It was Pedraza's style, unwillingness to mix it up for long and his boxing smarts that kept him around to the final bell.

Lomachenko would have shined and scored a KO if he had faced the more aggressive, defensively deficient Ray Beltran, as originally expected.

And as some have already opined here, Lomachenko is not the greatest thing since Robinson, despite what the TR/ESPN hype train desperately wants to convince you.

Elite lightweights will seriously challenge him. But outside of Mikey Garcia, are there any true elites in that division?

[oogiebe]

Lomachenko is fast, accurate and has some pop in his shots.

But he's not a true KO puncher.

At 135, don't expect him to stop any of the top division fighters.

I don't believe that the shoulder surgery hindered Lomachenko's performance.

It was Pedraza's style, unwillingness to mix it up for long and his boxing smarts that kept him around to the final bell.

Lomachenko would have shined and scored a KO if he had faced the more aggressive, defensively deficient Ray Beltran, as originally expected.

And as some have already opined here, Lomachenko is not the greatest thing since Robinson, despite what the TR/ESPN hype train desperately wants to convince you.

Elite lightweights will seriously challenge him. But outside of Mikey Garcia, are there any true elites in that division?

Fair points Senor!

[Cent0089]

Lomachenko is fast, accurate and has some pop in his shots.

But he's not a true KO puncher.

At 135, don't expect him to stop any of the top division fighters.

I don't believe that the shoulder surgery hindered Lomachenko's performance.

It was Pedraza's style, unwillingness to mix it up for long and his boxing smarts that kept him around to the final bell.

Lomachenko would have shined and scored a KO if he had faced the more aggressive, defensively deficient Ray Beltran, as originally expected.

And as some have already opined here, Lomachenko is not the greatest thing since Robinson, despite what the TR/ESPN hype train desperately wants to convince you.

Elite lightweights will seriously challenge him. But outside of Mikey Garcia, are there any true elites in that division?

Agree. Im going to add my opinion. Pedraza was perfect oponent for comeback fight. Earned that fight with victory over Beltran, came to fight well prepared in terms of conditioning and does not come only for paycheck. His excellent footwork was hard to figure out. Lomachenko was still able to win all rounds (i can give 10th to Pedraza) . Elites are Berchelt and Davis, i wanna see that :) . Unfortunately there are some talks about Anthony Crolla Bullsh-t.

[SenorPipino]

Lomachenko is fast, accurate and has some pop in his shots.

But he's not a true KO puncher.

At 135, don't expect him to stop any of the top division fighters.

I don't believe that the shoulder surgery hindered Lomachenko's performance.

It was Pedraza's style, unwillingness to mix it up for long and his boxing smarts that kept him around to the final bell.

Lomachenko would have shined and scored a KO if he had faced the more aggressive, defensively deficient Ray Beltran, as originally expected.

And as some have already opined here, Lomachenko is not the greatest thing since Robinson, despite what the TR/ESPN hype train desperately wants to convince you.

Elite lightweights will seriously challenge him. But outside of Mikey Garcia, are there any true elites in that division?

Agree. Im going to add my opinion. Pedraza was perfect oponent for comeback fight. Earned that fight with victory over Beltran, came to fight well prepared in terms of conditioning and does not come only for paycheck. His excellent footwork was hard to figure out. Lomachenko was still able to win all rounds (i can give 10th to Pedraza) . Elites are Berchelt and [/b]Davis, i wanna see that :) . Unfortunately there are some talks about Anthony Crolla Bullsh-t.

At this point, Berchelt and Tank are still still super feathers, so I'm not going to categorize them as 135 elites.

Crolla is a contender. Not an elite. He dropped a pair to Linares, the second pretty convincingly. There's nothing special about Anthony Crolla.

[jamamb]

arum seems to want the winner of commey-chaniev for the ibf title, for a 3 belt unifiation, those two are fighting on espn early next year. that would be better then crolla imo and i hope thats the one. commey should win, hes not elite either but i did have him beating easter and imo hes better then crolla. hed also be quite a bit larger then loma and maybe could make things physical to a point where loma needs to step his gears up.

still though, id prefer guys like berchelt, tank, and even machado. im not too confident mikey ever happens with his arum history

i guess if lomas going for a 3rd belt unification next though, moving down to 130 prob isnt even on the radar.

[Onetimeonly]

He may never have a big fight.

[Best Coast]

Pedraza’s ability and gameplan made Loma look tentative. Credit to him, his feints and switching made for an interesting fight for most of it.

You make a good point about Loma having trouble with Pedraza's switching from orthodox to southpaw. I think Loma definitely had trouble adjusting to that.

There used to be talk of Loma eventually moving up in weight to face Terence Crawford. That's clearly not a legit option now that Terence has gone up to 147 but even ignoring TC's height and reach advantage, Crawford's ability to seamlessly transition back and forth between righty and lefty would make him too much for Loma to handle, even at 140.