Who has More Left in the Tank? Amir Khan or Kell Brook?

[BigDoofus]

Can't believe how sh*t Brook looked and the embarassing talk from fewkes after

A bit harsh on Fewkes. He was excited after training his first pro boxer.

[Oiky]

Can't believe how sh*t Brook looked and the embarassing talk from fewkes after

A bit harsh on Fewkes. He was excited after training his first pro boxer.

No I get that and I wish him all the best

But first pro boxer or not it wasn't a spectacular performance... that is a silly comment no matter how many fighters you've trained

[Ruthless-RKO]

Can't believe how sh*t Brook looked and the embarassing talk from fewkes after

A bit harsh on Fewkes. He was excited after training his first pro boxer.

No I get that and I wish him all the best

But first pro boxer or not it wasn't a spectacular performance... that is a silly comment no matter how many fighters you've trained

Yeh. In the corner he was just throwing a lot of words at Brook. Worst part is.. Brood did not listen.

[Switch hitter]

Brook was in charge of the training camp it's pretty clear from interviews. Fewkes was just the pad man and someone to put his gumshield in between rounds unfortunately.
Brook needs to change things fast if not then he won't be lasting against the anybody who's world class let alone beating Khan.

[Oiky]

Yeah, like I said, All the best to fewkes, but seems a bit of a yes man doesn't he

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeah, like I said, All the best to fewkes, but seems a bit of a yes man doesn't he

According to Sky Sports.. Hurd vs. Brook all relies on Khan..

[Oiky]

Yeah, like I said, All the best to fewkes, but seems a bit of a yes man doesn't he

According to Sky Sports.. Hurd vs. Brook all relies on Khan..

Always find new ways to embarrass themselves don't they

[MF DOOM]

Joe Goosen would play a huge role if it was to happen this year. It won’t. But he would.

[ewenhay]

I think that comparing Khan vs Brook and Haye vs Bellew is a bit far fetched. Lets be honest, as poo as Di Mori and the other guy were..... read the posts on here. There was not many saying Haye was shot, he'd still only had 1 Heavyweight defeat at that stage. As bad as they were, Haye, even though he looked overweight, hardly put a foot wrong.... people were even calling him a geniune threat to Joshua.

Bellew also, was in the form of his life as a world champion, Again, nobody thought he was shot. However, nobody gave him a shout and I honestly think people bought the first PPV as much as anything to see how Haye looked against his first live(ish) opponent and to make their first true Haye vs Joshua analysis.

Haye vs Bellew 2 sold mainly again because some thought Haye could still possibly do something but also because of the rivalary between the pair in fight 1.

BOTH Khan and Brook though have had heavy defeats and aren't showing their best form of late..... was Crolla vs Burns a PPV, this is a similar fight IMO. Both Khan and Brook have now had 1 really poor performance in the build up against opposition they should be outclassing.

Both Haye and Bellew were well past their best., especially Haye. Bellew was never going to be a contender at heavyweight. Also it was fake beef to make them both cash. And it worked to be fair although both fights were farcical really.

[MF DOOM]

I think that comparing Khan vs Brook and Haye vs Bellew is a bit far fetched. Lets be honest, as poo as Di Mori and the other guy were..... read the posts on here. There was not many saying Haye was shot, he'd still only had 1 Heavyweight defeat at that stage. As bad as they were, Haye, even though he looked overweight, hardly put a foot wrong.... people were even calling him a geniune threat to Joshua.

Bellew also, was in the form of his life as a world champion, Again, nobody thought he was shot. However, nobody gave him a shout and I honestly think people bought the first PPV as much as anything to see how Haye looked against his first live(ish) opponent and to make their first true Haye vs Joshua analysis.

Haye vs Bellew 2 sold mainly again because some thought Haye could still possibly do something but also because of the rivalary between the pair in fight 1.

BOTH Khan and Brook though have had heavy defeats and aren't showing their best form of late..... was Crolla vs Burns a PPV, this is a similar fight IMO. Both Khan and Brook have now had 1 really poor performance in the build up against opposition they should be outclassing.

Both Haye and Bellew were well past their best., especially Haye. Bellew was never going to be a contender at heavyweight. Also it was fake beef to make them both cash. And it worked to be fair although both fights were farcical really.

Bellew wasn't shot. He'll tell you himself that he was in his best run of form. People forget how much of a struggle making 175 was for him.

[ewenhay]

I think that comparing Khan vs Brook and Haye vs Bellew is a bit far fetched. Lets be honest, as poo as Di Mori and the other guy were..... read the posts on here. There was not many saying Haye was shot, he'd still only had 1 Heavyweight defeat at that stage. As bad as they were, Haye, even though he looked overweight, hardly put a foot wrong.... people were even calling him a geniune threat to Joshua.

Bellew also, was in the form of his life as a world champion, Again, nobody thought he was shot. However, nobody gave him a shout and I honestly think people bought the first PPV as much as anything to see how Haye looked against his first live(ish) opponent and to make their first true Haye vs Joshua analysis.

Haye vs Bellew 2 sold mainly again because some thought Haye could still possibly do something but also because of the rivalary between the pair in fight 1.

BOTH Khan and Brook though have had heavy defeats and aren't showing their best form of late..... was Crolla vs Burns a PPV, this is a similar fight IMO. Both Khan and Brook have now had 1 really poor performance in the build up against opposition they should be outclassing.

Both Haye and Bellew were well past their best., especially Haye. Bellew was never going to be a contender at heavyweight. Also it was fake beef to make them both cash. And it worked to be fair although both fights were farcical really.

Bellew wasn't shot. He'll tell you himself that he was in his best run of form. People forget how much of a struggle making 175 was for him.

Bellew was facing hand picked opposition.

If he really felt he was a threat at cruiser he would have entered the wbss.

If he really felt he was a threat at heavy he wouldn't have created a fake beef with Haye who was largely irrelevant by that point. He could have had a fight with Joshua or Wilder easily if he'd wanted to.

[MF DOOM]

Both Haye and Bellew were well past their best., especially Haye. Bellew was never going to be a contender at heavyweight. Also it was fake beef to make them both cash. And it worked to be fair although both fights were farcical really.

Bellew wasn't shot. He'll tell you himself that he was in his best run of form. People forget how much of a struggle making 175 was for him.

Bellew was facing hand picked opposition.

If he really felt he was a threat at cruiser he would have entered the wbss.

If he really felt he was a threat at heavy he wouldn't have created a fake beef with Haye who was largely irrelevant by that point. He could have had a fight with Joshua or Wilder easily if he'd wanted to.

The WBSS isn't the point. The point is whether he was in form or 'past it', and he most certainly was not past it and the man himself told me on more than one occasion that he was in the best form he'd ever shown. The performances at cruiser bear that out too. I've watched his entire career as well as many of sparring sessions and the stuff he showed after leaving 175 was more in line with the form he showed when he wasn't stuggling with the weight.

[ewenhay]

Bellew wasn't shot. He'll tell you himself that he was in his best run of form. People forget how much of a struggle making 175 was for him.

Bellew was facing hand picked opposition.

If he really felt he was a threat at cruiser he would have entered the wbss.

If he really felt he was a threat at heavy he wouldn't have created a fake beef with Haye who was largely irrelevant by that point. He could have had a fight with Joshua or Wilder easily if he'd wanted to.

The WBSS isn't the point. The point is whether he was in form or 'past it', and he most certainly was not past it and the man himself told me on more than one occasion that he was in the best form he'd ever shown. The performances at cruiser bear that out too. I've watched his entire career as well as many of sparring sessions and the stuff he showed after leaving 175 was more in line with the form he showed when he wasn't stuggling with the weight.

We'll have to disagree. He was on the slide imo and went looking for the cash out fight against Haye.

[ewenhay]

Unless you think the version of Bj flores he fought was top level opposition

[MF DOOM]

Unless you think the version of Bj flores he fought was top level opposition

Is that the only fight he had at CW? Or just one against weak opposition that you've plucked out to make some kind of a point? I could easily ask if you think the two Chilemba fights at LHW were prime form.

Bellew's best form came at cruiser as he could be more consistent and was a two-fisted fighter up there. It is plain to see and he has discussed it numerous times.

[MF DOOM]

'Well past his best' and 'on the slide' don't gel either. If you are on the slide you are on the slippery slope. If you are well past it you've gone a long way down that road. It doesn't make sense.

[ewenhay]

'Well past his best' and 'on the slide' don't gel either. If you are on the slide you are on the slippery slope. If you are well past it you've gone a long way down that road. It doesn't make sense.

Past your best is on the slide.

[MF DOOM]

'Well past his best' and 'on the slide' don't gel either. If you are on the slide you are on the slippery slope. If you are well past it you've gone a long way down that road. It doesn't make sense.

Past your best is on the slide.

You said "Well past his best", when he clearly wasn't by any stretch. If he was he wouldn't have won the first two rounds against Usyk. That intial claim was nonsensical and goes against all the evidence on show.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Unless you think the version of Bj flores he fought was top level opposition

I wouldn’t rate Bellew as a world level operator. Never was. Fringe? Yes..

[ewenhay]

'Well past his best' and 'on the slide' don't gel either. If you are on the slide you are on the slippery slope. If you are well past it you've gone a long way down that road. It doesn't make sense.

Past your best is on the slide.

You said "Well past his best", when he clearly wasn't by any stretch. If he was he wouldn't have won the first two rounds against Usyk. That intial claim was nonsensical and goes against all the evidence on show.

Winning 2 rounds early against Usyk hardly proves someone is still at their best. He was dealt with fairly easily.

Haye was so poor I think it's made you think Bellew was better than he was.

I'm not knocking him for topping up his pension against Haye, it was a smart move. They both conned the public into parting with their dough.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Past your best is on the slide.

You said "Well past his best", when he clearly wasn't by any stretch. If he was he wouldn't have won the first two rounds against Usyk. That intial claim was nonsensical and goes against all the evidence on show.

Winning 2 rounds early against Usyk hardly proves someone is still at their best. He was dealt with fairly easily.

Haye was so poor I think it's made you think Bellew was better than he was.

Yeh. Anyone that has seen Usyk, knows he starts off slow and like you said, he got dealt with. Haye was easily ahead on the cards in the first Bellew fight before his achiles went, also started of better against Bellew in the rematch too, using his jab. Haye was a much better boxer than Bellew.

[MF DOOM]

Past your best is on the slide.

You said "Well past his best", when he clearly wasn't by any stretch. If he was he wouldn't have won the first two rounds against Usyk. That intial claim was nonsensical and goes against all the evidence on show.

Winning 2 rounds early against Usyk hardly proves someone is still at their best. He was dealt with fairly easily.

Haye was so poor I think it's made you think Bellew was better than he was.

I'm not knocking him for topping up his pension against Haye, it was a smart move. They both conned the public into parting with their dough.

So a 'well past his best" Bellew swerved the WBSS to protect himself, earns two huge purse against Haye then takes on the WBSS winner and does reasonably well? Can you not see how contradictory that is?

Do you really think his form Vs Isaac and Stevenson was better than his cruiserweight form? It wasn't. His best form was at CW as he wasn't just working on his weight in camp, was more two-fisted, and said on, off and above the record he was boxing as well as he ever had.

Just eyeball the fights again and you'll see it quite clearly.

He took Usyk on because he felt physically and mentally stronger at CW, and did from the start.

No one floated the idea going into Usyk. It is a fantasy.

[ewenhay]

You said "Well past his best", when he clearly wasn't by any stretch. If he was he wouldn't have won the first two rounds against Usyk. That intial claim was nonsensical and goes against all the evidence on show.

Winning 2 rounds early against Usyk hardly proves someone is still at their best. He was dealt with fairly easily.

Haye was so poor I think it's made you think Bellew was better than he was.

I'm not knocking him for topping up his pension against Haye, it was a smart move. They both conned the public into parting with their dough.

So a 'well past his best" Bellew swerved the WBSS to protect himself, earns two huge purse against Haye then takes on the WBSS winner and does reasonably well? Can you not see how contradictory that is?

Do you really think his form Vs Isaac and Stevenson was better than his cruiserweight form? It wasn't. His best form was at CW as he wasn't just working on his weight in camp, was more two-fisted, and said on, off and above the record he was boxing as well as he ever had.

Just eyeball the fights again and you'll see it quite clearly.

He took Usyk on because he felt physically and mentally stronger at CW, and did from the start.

No one floated the idea going into Usyk. It is a fantasy.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

The (impressive) Makabu win aside, his opposition at Cruiserweight was cherry picked.

They paid Breidis step aside money to face Flores then created fake beef with Haye (Flores' mate) as that was a better cash out fight than defending against Breidis.

[MF DOOM]

Winning 2 rounds early against Usyk hardly proves someone is still at their best. He was dealt with fairly easily.

Haye was so poor I think it's made you think Bellew was better than he was.

I'm not knocking him for topping up his pension against Haye, it was a smart move. They both conned the public into parting with their dough.

So a 'well past his best" Bellew swerved the WBSS to protect himself, earns two huge purse against Haye then takes on the WBSS winner and does reasonably well? Can you not see how contradictory that is?

Do you really think his form Vs Isaac and Stevenson was better than his cruiserweight form? It wasn't. His best form was at CW as he wasn't just working on his weight in camp, was more two-fisted, and said on, off and above the record he was boxing as well as he ever had.

Just eyeball the fights again and you'll see it quite clearly.

He took Usyk on because he felt physically and mentally stronger at CW, and did from the start.

No one floated the idea going into Usyk. It is a fantasy.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

The (impressive) Makabu win aside, his opposition at Cruiserweight was cherry picked.

They paid Breidis step aside money to face Flores then created fake beef with Haye (Flores' mate) as that was a better cash out fight than defending against Breidis.

He didn't cash out, he stayed and fought Usyk.

As I said, was he better Vs Isaac twice and Stevenson? No, he boxed at his best at CW and no one said he was "way over the hill" going into Usyk. It is laughable to suggest otherwise. Coldwell brought the best out of him and he was in the right division, and that was clear for all to see to the naked eye.

I don't know a single person who shares your viewpoint.

[ewenhay]

So a 'well past his best" Bellew swerved the WBSS to protect himself, earns two huge purse against Haye then takes on the WBSS winner and does reasonably well? Can you not see how contradictory that is?

Do you really think his form Vs Isaac and Stevenson was better than his cruiserweight form? It wasn't. His best form was at CW as he wasn't just working on his weight in camp, was more two-fisted, and said on, off and above the record he was boxing as well as he ever had.

Just eyeball the fights again and you'll see it quite clearly.

He took Usyk on because he felt physically and mentally stronger at CW, and did from the start.

No one floated the idea going into Usyk. It is a fantasy.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

The (impressive) Makabu win aside, his opposition at Cruiserweight was cherry picked.

They paid Breidis step aside money to face Flores then created fake beef with Haye (Flores' mate) as that was a better cash out fight than defending against Breidis.

He didn't cash out, he stayed and fought Usyk.

As I said, was he better Vs Isaac twice and Stevenson? No, he boxed at his best at CW and no one said he was "way over the hill" going into Usyk. It is laughable to suggest otherwise. Coldwell brought the best out of him and he was in the right division, and that was clear for all to see to the naked eye.

I don't know a single person who shares your viewpoint.

We're not going to agree.

Bellews opposition at Cruiserweight was pretty woeful. They also avoided the wbss and they paid off Breidis to fight Flores before leaving the division to fight Haye.

Yes he fought Usyk at the end and fair play but you can hardly pretend he was still prime against Haye.

Anyway, each to their own.