Deontays constant moaning....

[Onetimeonly]

He did catch Wilder with alot of right hands. Wilder couldn't seem to dodge those 1-2's jab+straight right hand.

No he did not “catch Wilder with a lot of” anything.

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I believe he's touching on the small amount of punches landed in general.

[oogiebe]

No he did not “catch Wilder with a lot of” anything.

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I believe he's touching on the small amount of punches landed in general.

If so, then he's right. Not a lot of anything.

[ironbeard]

He did catch Wilder with alot of right hands. Wilder couldn't seem to dodge those 1-2's jab+straight right hand.

No he did not “catch Wilder with a lot of” anything.

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I am sure you did, including the two 10-8s that made it impossible for Fury to win what you saw.

[oogiebe]

No he did not “catch Wilder with a lot of” anything.

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I am sure you did, including the two 10-8s that made it impossible for Fury to win what you saw.

I watched; I scored; I had it for Fury, despite the KD's. I also saw a lot of areas that Deontay should've done better. I think Wilder takes him out next time.

[Steveh583]

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I am sure you did, including the two 10-8s that made it impossible for Fury to win what you saw.

I watched; I scored; I had it for Fury, despite the KD's. I also saw a lot of areas that Deontay should've done better. I think Wilder takes him out next time.

I don't think he will. The best opportunity he will ever have was in that 12th round and he didn't do it. I think the rematch is all fury. A bit like groves vs frock 1 for me, in that groves kind of missed his window of opportunity.

[oogiebe]

I am sure you did, including the two 10-8s that made it impossible for Fury to win what you saw.

I watched; I scored; I had it for Fury, despite the KD's. I also saw a lot of areas that Deontay should've done better. I think Wilder takes him out next time.

I don't think he will. The best opportunity he will ever have was in that 12th round and he didn't do it. I think the rematch is all fury. A bit like groves vs frock 1 for me, in that groves kind of missed his window of opportunity.

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to find out!

[Steveh583]

I watched; I scored; I had it for Fury, despite the KD's. I also saw a lot of areas that Deontay should've done better. I think Wilder takes him out next time.

I don't think he will. The best opportunity he will ever have was in that 12th round and he didn't do it. I think the rematch is all fury. A bit like groves vs frock 1 for me, in that groves kind of missed his window of opportunity.

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to find out!

I really hope not, and I hope they both earn a fortune for it. Both very likeable

[oogiebe]

I don't think he will. The best opportunity he will ever have was in that 12th round and he didn't do it. I think the rematch is all fury. A bit like groves vs frock 1 for me, in that groves kind of missed his window of opportunity.

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to find out!

I really hope not, and I hope they both earn a fortune for it. Both very likeable

Absolutely! My respect for their willingness to fight one another is only exceeded by my disappointment in Joshua's reluctance.

[ironbeard]

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I am sure you did, including the two 10-8s that made it impossible for Fury to win what you saw.

I watched; I scored; I had it for Fury, despite the KD's. I also saw a lot of areas that Deontay should've done better. I think Wilder takes him out next time.

I am talking about what you claimed to see in the second half.

[MF DOOM]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

Joshua has all but ruled Fury out as an opponent, opting to focus on Wilder instead. It paves the way for Whyte II on PPV as Wilder is more likely to agree terms with Fury again.

[keithmoonhangover]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

Joshua has all but ruled Fury out as an opponent, opting to focus on Wilder instead. It paves the way for Whyte II on PPV as Wilder is more likely to agree terms with Fury again.

AJ's goal is to win all the belts and that's his goal. It would be an amazing achievement to bring all the belts together. If Fury keeps insisting on 50/50, then I can't see the AJ-Fury fight happening.

Who do you think Fury would fight if Wilder fights AJ?

[samwbr]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

Joshua has all but ruled Fury out as an opponent, opting to focus on Wilder instead. It paves the way for Whyte II on PPV as Wilder is more likely to agree terms with Fury again.

He's right to after the only belt he hasn't got. Then fight Fury, it will be off the scale if it's for all the belts.

[MF DOOM]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

Joshua has all but ruled Fury out as an opponent, opting to focus on Wilder instead. It paves the way for Whyte II on PPV as Wilder is more likely to agree terms with Fury again.

AJ's goal is to win all the belts and that's his goal. It would be an amazing achievement to bring all the belts together. If Fury keeps insisting on 50/50, then I can't see the AJ-Fury fight happening.

Who do you think Fury would fight if Wilder fights AJ?

I can't see Joshua-Wilder happening next year. I'd be surprised if it isn't the Fury rematch next. I think Joshua's course for 2019 was plotted well in advance but they've had to throw some stuff out there to stave off any criticism. Saying he wants to hold all the belts also allows for the IBF mandatory to be used as a potential sticking point later on in 2019.

[keithmoonhangover]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

Joshua has all but ruled Fury out as an opponent, opting to focus on Wilder instead. It paves the way for Whyte II on PPV as Wilder is more likely to agree terms with Fury again.

AJ's goal is to win all the belts and that's his goal. It would be an amazing achievement to bring all the belts together. If Fury keeps insisting on 50/50, then I can't see the AJ-Fury fight happening.

Who do you think Fury would fight if Wilder fights AJ?

I can't see Joshua-Wilder happening next year. I'd be surprised if it isn't the Fury rematch next. I think Joshua's course for 2019 was plotted well in advance but they've had to throw some stuff out there to stave off any criticism. Saying he wants to hold all the belts also allows for the IBF mandatory to be used as a potential sticking point later on in 2019.

The IBF mandatory isn't due for a while. I envision a scenario where Whyte is the WBO mandatory ( he is the #1 after all) and down the line Miller as the WBA mandatory. I don't buy for one second that Team Joshua aren't trying to make the fight, hell, even Wilder says they are. My contact at SKY says Joshua has instructed his team to make the fight.

[smiling assassin]

I hope the The rematch happens but I can't see Wilder fancying it meself. I think he thought he was catching Fury at the best time and would have Furys name on his record. It didn't work and massive flaws got shown again in Wilders lack of boxing ability. I think he will push for the Joshua fight For all of the belts. I think he stands a better chance of beating Joshua than he does in a Fury rematch

[MF DOOM]

AJ's goal is to win all the belts and that's his goal. It would be an amazing achievement to bring all the belts together. If Fury keeps insisting on 50/50, then I can't see the AJ-Fury fight happening.

Who do you think Fury would fight if Wilder fights AJ?

I can't see Joshua-Wilder happening next year. I'd be surprised if it isn't the Fury rematch next. I think Joshua's course for 2019 was plotted well in advance but they've had to throw some stuff out there to stave off any criticism. Saying he wants to hold all the belts also allows for the IBF mandatory to be used as a potential sticking point later on in 2019.

The IBF mandatory isn't due for a while. I envision a scenario where Whyte is the WBO mandatory ( he is the #1 after all) and down the line Miller as the WBA mandatory. I don't buy for one second that Team Joshua aren't trying to make the fight, hell, even Wilder says they are. My contact at SKY says Joshua has instructed his team to make the fight.

Pulev will have to happen next year. With Whyte pencilled in for April Joshua would face a scenario where he has to turn two more fights around in the year and if one of them is the big one that will take some putting together. He has had two a year for the past two years so it is not inconceivable that it slips away from him again next year.

Wilder actually said that Joshua has suddenly expressed an interest in making the fight since he fought Fury. Maybe Joshua is worried that the rematch will happen and leave him treading water in 2019. Either way, it should have happened this year or in April. If Joshua has instructed him team to make it then surely that was the case last year and they failed in that task. They might fail again.

[tobyh5]

So according to AJ, the Lineal title means squat, but the IBO belt is legit?

[Counter-puncher]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

fvcking casual

[MF DOOM]

"When I was joining the heavyweight ranks, nobody told me about [being] lineal champion," Joshua said. "I knew about the WBC, IBO, IBF, WBA and WBO [belts] and I've got my hands on four of them. So where has lineal popped up out of the woodwork from?"

fvcking casual

Who needs it? Once you've got that IBO title you know you've made it.

I wouldn't bet against Sky trying to step in and bring Fury over. I know for a fact that they'd like him back on their books to inject a bit of personality.

[Quantrax]

Did too!
I'm a Wilder fan; and I think I saw what I saw the back half of the fight.

I am sure you did, including the two 10-8s that made it impossible for Fury to win what you saw.

I watched; I scored; I had it for Fury, despite the KD's. I also saw a lot of areas that Deontay should've done better. I think Wilder takes him out next time.

By doing what, specifically? There's plenty of adjustments a good boxer could make but Wilder isn't one of them. The only thing he normally does that he didn't in this fight was let the right cross go more often. The reason he didn't was because of Fury's distance and movement and that is unlikely to be different in the rematch.

[keithmoonhangover]

So according to AJ, the Lineal title means squat, but the IBO belt is legit?

Since Lewis vs Holyfield, the IBO has been worn by Lewis, Rahman, Klitschko, Fury and Joshua. Not a bad pedigree.

[MF DOOM]

So according to AJ, the Lineal title means squat, but the IBO belt is legit?

Since Lewis vs Holyfield, the IBO has been worn by Lewis, Rahman, Klitschko, Fury and Joshua. Not a bad pedigree.

You have to put it into perspective, though. It is a makeweight belt, always defended in conjunction with another title. Lewis defended it along with the WBC in his last fight. Wlad had the IBF alongside it until annexing the other belts. It was added to the IBF and WBA belts for Joshua-Klitschko. On its own, it has only been held by Brian Nielsen, James Thunder etc.

If you wanted to argue for it as a belt on its own terms surely looking at Hamed-Barrera would have been a better example? Actually, scratch that as Barrera ditched it almost immediately. It is the boxing equivalent of a waistcoat. It looks alright as part of a suit but you'd look like you were touting for business if you wore it by itself.

[keithmoonhangover]

So according to AJ, the Lineal title means squat, but the IBO belt is legit?

Since Lewis vs Holyfield, the IBO has been worn by Lewis, Rahman, Klitschko, Fury and Joshua. Not a bad pedigree.

You have to put it into perspective, though. It is a makeweight belt, always defended in conjunction with another title. Lewis defended it along with the WBC in his last fight. Wlad had the IBF alongside it until annexing the other belts. It was added to the IBF and WBA belts for Joshua-Klitschko. On its own, it has only been held by Brian Nielsen, James Thunder etc.

If you wanted to argue for it as a belt on its own terms surely looking at Hamed-Barrera would have been a better example? Actually, scratch that as Barrera ditched it almost immediately. It is the boxing equivalent of a waistcoat. It looks alright as part of a suit but you'd look like you were touting for business if you wore it by itself.

I think the belt is bollocks, along with the IBF and WBO. All of which are absolute toilet. Fury might not have lost his belt in the ring, but he vacated all those titles when he retired/failed a drugs test/did loads of blow/had mental health issues.

The 'Lineal' title is usually only mentioned when someone gives up or is forced to give up their belts/title. Jeffries, Ali, Spinks and Fury for example. Me personally, I think it's a load of rubbish. Isn't Lennox Lewis still the Lineal Champion? He didn't lose it in the ring. If Lennox made a comeback, would he not also claim to be the Lineal Champion?

[MF DOOM]

Since Lewis vs Holyfield, the IBO has been worn by Lewis, Rahman, Klitschko, Fury and Joshua. Not a bad pedigree.

You have to put it into perspective, though. It is a makeweight belt, always defended in conjunction with another title. Lewis defended it along with the WBC in his last fight. Wlad had the IBF alongside it until annexing the other belts. It was added to the IBF and WBA belts for Joshua-Klitschko. On its own, it has only been held by Brian Nielsen, James Thunder etc.

If you wanted to argue for it as a belt on its own terms surely looking at Hamed-Barrera would have been a better example? Actually, scratch that as Barrera ditched it almost immediately. It is the boxing equivalent of a waistcoat. It looks alright as part of a suit but you'd look like you were touting for business if you wore it by itself.

I think the belt is bollocks, along with the IBF and WBO. All of which are absolute toilet. Fury might not have lost his belt in the ring, but he vacated all those titles when he retired/failed a drugs test/did loads of blow/had mental health issues.

The 'Lineal' title is usually only mentioned when someone gives up or is forced to give up their belts/title. Jeffries, Ali, Spinks and Fury for example. Me personally, I think it's a load of rubbish. Isn't Lennox Lewis still the Lineal Champion? He didn't lose it in the ring. If Lennox made a comeback, would he not also claim to be the Lineal Champion?

The criteria is generally that you either beat the holder or unify in their absence. Had Fury stayed retired and Joshua met Wilder the winner would have been accepted as part of the lineage. Some people take it seriously, others not so much. I think the problem with Joshua’s statement is that it is strikes as a bit disingenuous, like we are really expected to believe that he started out dreaming of adding the IBO to the other, more established, titles. The entire ESPN interview comes across as a bit odd, to be honest.

If Joshua and Wilder start to negotiate then the base camp is that Joshua insists it takes place on April 13 at Wembley, so they’ve immediately put Wilder in a position where he cannot negotiate or offer an alternative location or date. As we have seen previously it is not the easiest fight to put together and the last time out it took them months only for it to fall apart.

This means that they would have to agree terms by early-Jan, maybe late-Jan, at a push, as they only really have Feb and March if that is the case. I can’t see them turning it around in what is a relatively tight timescale given all that has happened before. It is almost as if Joshua and his team are saying “Take Wembley on April 13 or leave it” safe in the knowledge that his fans will blame Wilder if it doesn’t happen and lap up Whyte II. I think they may be in for a shock if that is the case and Wilder and Fury go again early in the year. People are fickle.

Announcing the two Wembley "Thanks you, fans" fights in advance probably seemed like a masterstroke at the time. In light of recent events it looks like a bit of an hinderance.

[keithmoonhangover]

You have to put it into perspective, though. It is a makeweight belt, always defended in conjunction with another title. Lewis defended it along with the WBC in his last fight. Wlad had the IBF alongside it until annexing the other belts. It was added to the IBF and WBA belts for Joshua-Klitschko. On its own, it has only been held by Brian Nielsen, James Thunder etc.

If you wanted to argue for it as a belt on its own terms surely looking at Hamed-Barrera would have been a better example? Actually, scratch that as Barrera ditched it almost immediately. It is the boxing equivalent of a waistcoat. It looks alright as part of a suit but you'd look like you were touting for business if you wore it by itself.

I think the belt is bollocks, along with the IBF and WBO. All of which are absolute toilet. Fury might not have lost his belt in the ring, but he vacated all those titles when he retired/failed a drugs test/did loads of blow/had mental health issues.

The 'Lineal' title is usually only mentioned when someone gives up or is forced to give up their belts/title. Jeffries, Ali, Spinks and Fury for example. Me personally, I think it's a load of rubbish. Isn't Lennox Lewis still the Lineal Champion? He didn't lose it in the ring. If Lennox made a comeback, would he not also claim to be the Lineal Champion?

The criteria is generally that you either beat the holder or unify in their absence. Had Fury stayed retired and Joshua met Wilder the winner would have been accepted as part of the lineage. Some people take it seriously, others not so much. I think the problem with Joshua’s statement is that it is strikes as a bit disingenuous, like we are really expected to believe that he started out dreaming of adding the IBO to the other, more established, titles. The entire ESPN interview comes across as a bit odd, to be honest.

If Joshua and Wilder start to negotiate then the base camp is that Joshua insists it takes place on April 13 at Wembley, so they’ve immediately put Wilder in a position where he cannot negotiate or offer an alternative location or date. As we have seen previously it is not the easiest fight to put together and the last time out it took them months only for it to fall apart.

This means that they would have to agree terms by early-Jan, maybe late-Jan, at a push, as they only really have Feb and March if that is the case. I can’t see them turning it around in what is a relatively tight timescale given all that has happened before. It is almost as if Joshua and his team are saying “Take Wembley on April 13 or leave it” safe in the knowledge that his fans will blame Wilder if it doesn’t happen and lap up Whyte II. I think they may be in for a shock if that is the case and Wilder and Fury go again early in the year. People are fickle.

Announcing the two Wembley "Thanks you, fans" fights in advance probably seemed like a masterstroke at the time. In light of recent events it looks like a bit of an hinderance.

I like the ESPN interview, but that's just strokes. I like the contrast between AJ and Fury,Wilder and Whyte. Hearn can still cancel the Wembley date and did indirectly mention the possibility in an interview. If a deal can be done with Wilder, April 13th will do just fine. If that fight can't be made, then AJ has options. If he fights Whyte, he's fighting the #6 heavyweight in the world according to BoxRec. If he fights Usyk, then that's a great fight IMO. I also like the Miller fight. I'm happy with any of those three. A Klitschko rematch, I'm less interested in, but come fight night, I'd be right into it. I don't see an issue with Joshua continuing to be a huge ticket seller. I don't see a hindrance.