BBC Sports Personality of the Year

[rd350lc]

Yeah she does, shes just an aggravating looking creature and she talks sh*t

I'd still throw one right up her Gary though

True to form

He took his ferkin time tho !

[rd350lc]

As an enforced licence payer I'd like to know how the " sports personality of the year " has actually no personality ?

What is it actually awarded for ?

It's time to sack this poo off , has a boxer ever won it ? Always seems the right " sort " of people win it .

Stopped watching it years ago .

[Stuarty]

As an enforced licence payer I'd like to know how the " sports personality of the year " has actually no personality ?

What is it actually awarded for ?

It's time to sack this poo off , has a boxer ever won it ? Always seems the right " sort " of people win it .

Stopped watching it years ago .

I'm sure Calzaghe won it before?

[Loynesy]

How are you an enforced license payer? You can opt of it if you don’t watch TV?

[banjo]

As an enforced licence payer I'd like to know how the " sports personality of the year " has actually no personality ?

What is it actually awarded for ?

It's time to sack this poo off , has a boxer ever won it ? Always seems the right " sort " of people win it .

Stopped watching it years ago .

Calzaghe was the last in 2007, Lewis in 1999, McGuigan in 1985, Cooper in 1967 and 1970.

[Coco]

If you do a sport which is on the BBC you are at a huge advantage

[rd350lc]

How are you an enforced license payer? You can opt of it if you don’t watch TV?

, I want a choice in whether I subsidise the BBC ,

I watch next to nothing on it , so in this day and age I think you should be given a choice , it would suit quite a few people if it was a subscription based channel .
I personally think channel 4 is a really good channel and I'm happy to watch ads that finance it's operation .
It's all about choice , but not so with the BBC, you are forced to pay for it whether you watch it or not .

[dalcumly]

The BBC sports personality of the year is now totally irrelevant. They don't cover boxing, horse racing, they've practically lost the golf majors, only cover Wimbledon not the other majors, and are reduced to match of the day and the FA cup.
Netball, snow sports, and other minority sports just about sums them up. Someone mentioned earlier about women's football , they were spot on. The biggest women's football matches attract live crowds similar to small clubs in the Northern Premier League but the BBC website try their hardest to give it 'equal' status to the men's game.
I didn't watch it, I was watching the paint drying.

[banjo]

If you do a sport which is on the BBC you are at a huge advantage

Which is funny since there's hardly any sport on the BBC

[banjo]

The BBC sports personality of the year is now totally irrelevant. They don't cover boxing, horse racing, they've practically lost the golf majors, only cover Wimbledon not the other majors, and are reduced to match of the day and the FA cup.
Netball, snow sports, and other minority sports just about sums them up. Someone mentioned earlier about women's football , they were spot on. The biggest women's football matches attract live crowds similar to small clubs in the Northern Premier League but the BBC website try their hardest to give it 'equal' status to the men's game.
I didn't watch it, I was watching the paint drying.

It's like that netball nonsense, the highlights they showed looked like it was played in a school gym.

[banjo]

Two Morecambe legends

[tonyevs]

The thing is every year people go "but he's boring, he's got no personality" and fail to realise it's not about their personality as in they'd be a cool person to have a beer with, it's about what they've achieved as a sports person. Now I've no issue with Geraint Thomas winning it as cycling is a brutally hard sport, he seemed shocked to win it but you can't knock his achiements and he is a deserving winner.

But it’s still the usual middle class winner, and whilst cycling is a very popular hobby/interest for many ... those getting to the top are almost all from privileged middle class backgrounds like Geraint Thomas. British Cycling were recently asked to provide information on the kids in their development academies, and refused because it was estimated to show something like 80% were from middle class backgrounds ... cycling is not a sport you get to the top in from humble beginnings.

And of course. After receiving substantial sponsorship to ride s bike from his early teens - once Geraint Thomas started earning big money he moved to Monaco to avoid paying taxes.

[banjo]

The thing is every year people go "but he's boring, he's got no personality" and fail to realise it's not about their personality as in they'd be a cool person to have a beer with, it's about what they've achieved as a sports person. Now I've no issue with Geraint Thomas winning it as cycling is a brutally hard sport, he seemed shocked to win it but you can't knock his achiements and he is a deserving winner.

But it’s still the usual middle class winner, and whilst cycling is a very popular hobby/interest for many ... those getting to the top are almost all from privileged middle class backgrounds like Geraint Thomas. British Cycling were recently asked to provide information on the kids in their development academies, and refused because it was estimated to show something like 80% were from middle class backgrounds ... cycling is not a sport you get to the top in from humble beginnings.

And of course. After receiving substantial sponsorship to ride s bike from his early teens - once Geraint Thomas started earning big money he moved to Monaco to avoid paying taxes.

If you can get to the top in Formula One from humble beginnings I'm pretty certain you could do it in cycling, it's all about sponsorship but you've got to show something special to gain that sponsorship.

[Boxerbeetle]

The thing is every year people go "but he's boring, he's got no personality" and fail to realise it's not about their personality as in they'd be a cool person to have a beer with, it's about what they've achieved as a sports person. Now I've no issue with Geraint Thomas winning it as cycling is a brutally hard sport, he seemed shocked to win it but you can't knock his achiements and he is a deserving winner.

But it’s still the usual middle class winner, and whilst cycling is a very popular hobby/interest for many ... those getting to the top are almost all from privileged middle class backgrounds like Geraint Thomas. British Cycling were recently asked to provide information on the kids in their development academies, and refused because it was estimated to show something like 80% were from middle class backgrounds ... cycling is not a sport you get to the top in from humble beginnings.

And of course. After receiving substantial sponsorship to ride s bike from his early teens - once Geraint Thomas started earning big money he moved to Monaco to avoid paying taxes.

To be fair, if most of us had the chance we’d move to Monaco too, regardless of the tax situation. Who’d choose to live in this sh!tty country if they had a much better option somewhere else?

[Oiky]

Yeah loads of rardy Pardy types in cycling

And you'd think most hobby cyclists want to get rammed right off the road the way they position themselves

[lillywhite14]

The thing is every year people go "but he's boring, he's got no personality" and fail to realise it's not about their personality as in they'd be a cool person to have a beer with, it's about what they've achieved as a sports person. Now I've no issue with Geraint Thomas winning it as cycling is a brutally hard sport, he seemed shocked to win it but you can't knock his achiements and he is a deserving winner.

But it’s still the usual middle class winner, and whilst cycling is a very popular hobby/interest for many ... those getting to the top are almost all from privileged middle class backgrounds like Geraint Thomas. British Cycling were recently asked to provide information on the kids in their development academies, and refused because it was estimated to show something like 80% were from middle class backgrounds ... cycling is not a sport you get to the top in from humble beginnings.

And of course. After receiving substantial sponsorship to ride s bike from his early teens - once Geraint Thomas started earning big money he moved to Monaco to avoid paying taxes.

If you can get to the top in Formula One from humble beginnings I'm pretty certain you could do it in cycling, it's all about sponsorship but you've got to show something special to gain that sponsorship.

Hamilton is a unique story. Forumula one will not see another story like that again for decades. It’s very much middle class kids. Money and contacts are the keys when starting out

Ellis Genge has come out talking about the class barrier in rugby union. Quite interesting. I’ve always thought England punched way below their weight because they’ve always been full of hooray Henry’s.
Look at football. Not many middle class lads make it in that game, they aren’t tough enough or have enough desire, same in boxing. In a generation or two I reckon the England rugby team will be 99% working class and better for it too.

[Lenny]

But then look at cricket. The private school kids get access to top coaches and facilities at their school with indoor training throughout the winter. It’s going to make it much more difficult if you’re not upper class (or from Yorkshire)

[lillywhite14]

Rugby is starting to pay bigger money in recent years.

It’s onviously a physically tougher sport than football but I’m talking about the ingrained toughness needed to succeed in high level sport. A working class background is far better for developing that side of any athletes game.
Football is by far the most popular sport in this country. I have no doubt that making it in the sport is the number one ambition of most kids, from all backgrounds. Middle class lads struggle to make any consistent impact because they are up against working class lads from the start and more importantly, it’s a level playing field. The general desire, toughness or whatever you’d call it, means priviliged private school types are left behind. The priviliged kids who do make it in football are usually from a football family who are traditionally working class yet made good money in the game and sent their kids private ( Frank Lampard and Oxlade Chamberlain for example )

My prediction of the middle classes being phased out in rugby union is based on working class kids having access to the game. It’s not everywhere of course but it’s certainly more open to everyone than it was 20 years ago.

The more the sport becomes about money the less it becomes about contacts and background too I would have thought. It’ll become all about the result and nobody will give a toss about your face fitting hopefully!
Might mean England start dominating the game too

[skanksta]

Can’t bare that sickly lookin gabby Logan

She looks more like a man the older she gets doesn't she!

Aye, I think the same about that Kirsty Gallacher too, she was amazing on her old show back in the day "Kirsty's Home Video's" (disappointing content given the name though) in those leather pants.

[skanksta]

Rugby is starting to pay bigger money in recent years.

It’s onviously a physically tougher sport than football but I’m talking about the ingrained toughness needed to succeed in high level sport. A working class background is far better for developing that side of any athletes game.
Football is by far the most popular sport in this country. I have no doubt that making it in the sport is the number one ambition of most kids, from all backgrounds. Middle class lads struggle to make any consistent impact because they are up against working class lads from the start and more importantly, it’s a level playing field. The general desire, toughness or whatever you’d call it, means priviliged private school types are left behind. The priviliged kids who do make it in football are usually from a football family who are traditionally working class yet made good money in the game and sent their kids private ( Frank Lampard and Oxlade Chamberlain for example )

My prediction of the middle classes being phased out in rugby union is based on working class kids having access to the game. It’s not everywhere of course but it’s certainly more open to everyone than it was 20 years ago.

The more the sport becomes about money the less it becomes about contacts and background too I would have thought. It’ll become all about the result and nobody will give a toss about your face fitting hopefully!
Might mean England start dominating the game too

I think you're theory is way off.
Public Schools are way over-represented at the top of just about every profession, sport, career you can think of. Privilege rises to the top. More time, more coaching, more facilities, more support, more opportunity, more expensive food. Look at how many Olympic medals were from public schools (half ffs! )

As for Rugby Union - as inequality increases it's getting more like the 19th Century - the rich are taller, stronger than the rest and they breed with their own class.
If anything it's football that will get taken over by the Public Schools.

[Coco]

Rugby is starting to pay bigger money in recent years.

It’s onviously a physically tougher sport than football but I’m talking about the ingrained toughness needed to succeed in high level sport. A working class background is far better for developing that side of any athletes game.
Football is by far the most popular sport in this country. I have no doubt that making it in the sport is the number one ambition of most kids, from all backgrounds. Middle class lads struggle to make any consistent impact because they are up against working class lads from the start and more importantly, it’s a level playing field. The general desire, toughness or whatever you’d call it, means priviliged private school types are left behind. The priviliged kids who do make it in football are usually from a football family who are traditionally working class yet made good money in the game and sent their kids private ( Frank Lampard and Oxlade Chamberlain for example )

My prediction of the middle classes being phased out in rugby union is based on working class kids having access to the game. It’s not everywhere of course but it’s certainly more open to everyone than it was 20 years ago.

The more the sport becomes about money the less it becomes about contacts and background too I would have thought. It’ll become all about the result and nobody will give a toss about your face fitting hopefully!
Might mean England start dominating the game too

Rugby is a posh mans sport in England and Scotland but working class in Wales, I think in Ireland and New Zealand too.
And maybe an upbringing in English public schools is pretty brutal too!

[smiling assassin]

She looks more like a man the older she gets doesn't she!

Aye, I think the same about that Kirsty Gallacher too, she was amazing on her old show back in the day "Kirsty's Home Video's" (disappointing content given the name though) in those leather pants.

[Boxerbeetle]

Rugby is starting to pay bigger money in recent years.

It’s onviously a physically tougher sport than football but I’m talking about the ingrained toughness needed to succeed in high level sport. A working class background is far better for developing that side of any athletes game.
Football is by far the most popular sport in this country. I have no doubt that making it in the sport is the number one ambition of most kids, from all backgrounds. Middle class lads struggle to make any consistent impact because they are up against working class lads from the start and more importantly, it’s a level playing field. The general desire, toughness or whatever you’d call it, means priviliged private school types are left behind. The priviliged kids who do make it in football are usually from a football family who are traditionally working class yet made good money in the game and sent their kids private ( Frank Lampard and Oxlade Chamberlain for example )

My prediction of the middle classes being phased out in rugby union is based on working class kids having access to the game. It’s not everywhere of course but it’s certainly more open to everyone than it was 20 years ago.

The more the sport becomes about money the less it becomes about contacts and background too I would have thought. It’ll become all about the result and nobody will give a toss about your face fitting hopefully!
Might mean England start dominating the game too

Rugby is a posh mans sport in England and Scotland but working class in Wales, I think in Ireland and New Zealand too.
And maybe an upbringing in English public schools is pretty brutal too!

That’s only because we don’t have any posh people in Wales

[Coco]

I lived in Wales for years and I never met any posh folk!
Posh folk in Wales are people with jobs!

[skanksta]

I've moved to remote rural Wales..
The only posh people are English hippies and downsizers. There must be some posh Welsh people, but they're in a tiny minority compared to England and Scotland.