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2006-08-05
Tomasz Adamek
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014883
vs
Glen Johnson
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007361
Tomasz Adamek
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014883
vs
Glen Johnson
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007361
I have looked at fights that have involved fighters in the top 100 of both IBO and Boxrec (since 26-04-06). Firstly, I dont agree that the better rating is the one that produces less upsets, ie the higher ranked fighter beats a lower ranked fighter, I feel it is immaterial, as time passes fighters will get better and some will get worse, as a fighter getting better his handlers should look for him to fight fighters higher in the ratings, therefore increasing his position and learning, but here are the results so far.Lennox wrote:In my opinion a rating should be based on what has happened not what is or might/ going too. So wins get points basically. A win over a good opponent gets x points and if its not such a good opponent lesser, perhaps even no points if the gulf is say 100 differences in the ratings. If a lower ranked fighter beats a higher one so be it. If the number 40 beats the number 20, then I suppose the formula should produce a result that would see the winner at maybe 25 and the loser at 26. i've been studying boxrec & ibo, in boxrec many fighters are in the wrong division to ibo or vice versa, I have been studying Cruiserweight. Rudy Markussen is a boxrec cruiser but IBO 168, the problem is he fought his last fight at 178. I can see how boxrec have him cruiser, but he should probably be at 175. This is the same with Jose Herrera, who beat Jorge Castro. I dont think either were cruiserweights as such.
I can only say what I see and despite the answers from the site owners or rating developers that the boxrec ratings are better because they predict fights to have less upsets, they still dont 'look right'. I dont really know how Computerrank or johnShep or GermanBee can look at Virgil Hill at 31 or Johnny Nelson at 16 and think they have got it right. Virgil Hill only needs to figt someone in the top 30 and win and it will be an upset, which is what they are trying to avoid.
I am going to look at the fights over the next month or so and look at the accuracy of fights and see if Boxrec or IBO produces better prediction. Glancing back over the last few fights IBO had Guinn to beat Audley Harrison Boxrec said Audley would win.
There have been 6 fights where there were common upsets in Boxrec and IBO
***Lamon Peterson beat Ramos, Peterson was ranked 73 IBO 79 BR
Ramos was ranked 21 IBO and 41 BR
***Acelino Freitas beat Zahir Raheem, Freitas was ranked 5 IBO 4 BR
Raheem was ranked 3 IBO and 2 BR
***Ray Narh beat Steve Quinonez, Narh was ranked 84 IBO 83 BR
Quinonez was ranked 54 IBO 63 BR
***Yasuda beat Chuwatana, Yasuda was not in the top 100 IBO 81 BR
Chuwatana was ranked 23 IBO 18 BR
***Asikainen beat Chris Tendil, Asikainen was not in the top 100 IBO BR 86 Tendil was 77 IBi 66 BR
***Anselmo Moreno beat Felix Machado, Moreno was 45 IBO 79 BR
Machado was 41 IBO 17 BR
The following fight was an 'upset' in IBO but not in Boxrec
**Henry Brussells beat Cesar Bazan, Brussells was 28 IBO 46 BR
Bazan was 15 IBO 96 BR
The following fights were 'upsets' in Boxrec but not in IBO
* Irene Pachecho beat heriberto Ruiz, Pacheco was 12 IBO 47 BR
Ruiz was 20 IBO 14 BR
*Kasim Ouma beat Marcos Rubio, Ouma was 6 IBO 8 BR
Rubio was 17 IBO 7 BR
*Sergio Medina beat Pablo Sepulveda, Medina was 13 IBO 88 BR
Sepulveda was 69 IBO 82 BR
*Glenn Donaire beat Cesar Lopez, Donaire was 36 IBO 70 BR
Lopez was 48 IBO 57 BR
Score is
Common Upsets 6
Boxrec Upsets 4
IBO upsets 1
You say the one who produces less upsets is not necessarily the better ranking system... but, then I don't understand the point of your post....Lennox wrote:I have looked at fights that have involved fighters in the top 100 of both IBO and Boxrec (since 26-04-06). Firstly, I dont agree that the better rating is the one that produces less upsets, ie the higher ranked fighter beats a lower ranked fighter, I feel it is immaterial, as time passes fighters will get better and some will get worse, as a fighter getting better his handlers should look for him to fight fighters higher in the ratings, therefore increasing his position and learning, but here are the results so far.Lennox wrote:In my opinion a rating should be based on what has happened not what is or might/ going too. So wins get points basically. A win over a good opponent gets x points and if its not such a good opponent lesser, perhaps even no points if the gulf is say 100 differences in the ratings. If a lower ranked fighter beats a higher one so be it. If the number 40 beats the number 20, then I suppose the formula should produce a result that would see the winner at maybe 25 and the loser at 26. i've been studying boxrec & ibo, in boxrec many fighters are in the wrong division to ibo or vice versa, I have been studying Cruiserweight. Rudy Markussen is a boxrec cruiser but IBO 168, the problem is he fought his last fight at 178. I can see how boxrec have him cruiser, but he should probably be at 175. This is the same with Jose Herrera, who beat Jorge Castro. I dont think either were cruiserweights as such.
I can only say what I see and despite the answers from the site owners or rating developers that the boxrec ratings are better because they predict fights to have less upsets, they still dont 'look right'. I dont really know how Computerrank or johnShep or GermanBee can look at Virgil Hill at 31 or Johnny Nelson at 16 and think they have got it right. Virgil Hill only needs to figt someone in the top 30 and win and it will be an upset, which is what they are trying to avoid.
I am going to look at the fights over the next month or so and look at the accuracy of fights and see if Boxrec or IBO produces better prediction. Glancing back over the last few fights IBO had Guinn to beat Audley Harrison Boxrec said Audley would win.
There have been 6 fights where there were common upsets in Boxrec and IBO
***Lamon Peterson beat Ramos, Peterson was ranked 73 IBO 79 BR
Ramos was ranked 21 IBO and 41 BR
***Acelino Freitas beat Zahir Raheem, Freitas was ranked 5 IBO 4 BR
Raheem was ranked 3 IBO and 2 BR
***Ray Narh beat Steve Quinonez, Narh was ranked 84 IBO 83 BR
Quinonez was ranked 54 IBO 63 BR
***Yasuda beat Chuwatana, Yasuda was not in the top 100 IBO 81 BR
Chuwatana was ranked 23 IBO 18 BR
***Asikainen beat Chris Tendil, Asikainen was not in the top 100 IBO BR 86 Tendil was 77 IBi 66 BR
***Anselmo Moreno beat Felix Machado, Moreno was 45 IBO 79 BR
Machado was 41 IBO 17 BR
The following fight was an 'upset' in IBO but not in Boxrec
**Henry Brussells beat Cesar Bazan, Brussells was 28 IBO 46 BR
Bazan was 15 IBO 96 BR
The following fights were 'upsets' in Boxrec but not in IBO
* Irene Pachecho beat heriberto Ruiz, Pacheco was 12 IBO 47 BR
Ruiz was 20 IBO 14 BR
*Kasim Ouma beat Marcos Rubio, Ouma was 6 IBO 8 BR
Rubio was 17 IBO 7 BR
*Sergio Medina beat Pablo Sepulveda, Medina was 13 IBO 88 BR
Sepulveda was 69 IBO 82 BR
*Glenn Donaire beat Cesar Lopez, Donaire was 36 IBO 70 BR
Lopez was 48 IBO 57 BR
Score is
Common Upsets 6
Boxrec Upsets 4
IBO upsets 1
I can tell you now the rating system I've been working on, got the first 3 you listed right plus the Ouma fight... not sure about the others as those bouts were insignificant
JCS.. I said in my previous post I would run a study over a month. I think Virgil Hill would beat many of the 28 fighters ranked above him. Muhammad Rahman straw-weight at number 16 is absurd. I am convinced Boxrec system is no good. Easyish to pick a first 10 or even a 20, but these boxrec is exceptionally poor beyond the 20. 3 oe 4 people argued that Boxrec was proven better than IBO because of a lesser Upset ratio, I dont think that really matters in a good rating, there will always be upsets. I was expecting Boxrec to be better than IBO because it was the design of the system, it may of course just be a blip and over the next few weeks there may be more upsets for IBO.
2 more common upsets
***Oscar de la hoya beats Mayorga. De la hoya was unranked by IBO and ranked 7 BR. Mayorga was 4 IBO 6 BR
***Jose Riveria beat Alejandro Garcia, Riveria was 16 IBO (147) 80 BR
Garcia was 13 IBO 11 BR
2 more common upsets
***Oscar de la hoya beats Mayorga. De la hoya was unranked by IBO and ranked 7 BR. Mayorga was 4 IBO 6 BR
***Jose Riveria beat Alejandro Garcia, Riveria was 16 IBO (147) 80 BR
Garcia was 13 IBO 11 BR
For the last time, the live system IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON PREDICTION RATE. The guys here at BoxRec take the initiative to make the ratings "LOOK GOOD". This is why my system is not the one used!!!!Lennox wrote:JCS.. I said in my previous post I would run a study over a month. I think Virgil Hill would beat many of the 28 fighters ranked above him. Muhammad Rahman straw-weight at number 16 is absurd. I am convinced Boxrec system is no good. Easyish to pick a first 10 or even a 20, but these boxrec is exceptionally poor beyond the 20. 3 oe 4 people argued that Boxrec was proven better than IBO because of a lesser Upset ratio, I dont think that really matters in a good rating, there will always be upsets. I was expecting Boxrec to be better than IBO because it was the design of the system, it may of course just be a blip and over the next few weeks there may be more upsets for IBO.
2 more common upsets
***Oscar de la hoya beats Mayorga. De la hoya was unranked by IBO and ranked 7 BR. Mayorga was 4 IBO 6 BR
***Jose Riveria beat Alejandro Garcia, Riveria was 16 IBO (147) 80 BR
Garcia was 13 IBO 11 BR
The problem with using a system that "LOOKS GOOD" is that it may look good when its implemented, but 12 months down the road it looks like total shit because of patterns in history.
Well.. I think the system who has the better prediction rate IS the better system... The reason there is.. no system will ever pull 100% prediction... No system can ever pull 100% prediction because its never logical to be able to.. so closer the better.
No computerized system will ever make a ranking system look good, so in terms of prediction rate, therefore the closer, the better. I think the only good computerized rating system is through a prediction rate process.
For the last time, the live system IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON PREDICTION RATE. The guys here at BoxRec take the initiative to make the ratings "LOOK GOOD". This is why my system is not the one used!!!!
The problem with using a system that "LOOKS GOOD" is that it may look good when its implemented, but 12 months down the road it looks like total shit because of patterns in history.
Well.. I think the system who has the better prediction rate IS the better system... The reason there is.. no system will ever pull 100% prediction... No system can ever pull 100% prediction because its never logical to be able to.. so closer the better.
No computerized system will ever make a ranking system look good, so in terms of prediction rate, therefore the closer, the better. I think the only good computerized rating system is through a prediction rate process.[/quote]
We are not going to agree on that point JCS. I can only look with my eyes and see which is the better ratings, Ive not seen your system, you posted your Cruiserweights but you had Supermiddleweights in there and all sorts. The best ratings is very much a subjective thing, what looks good to you, may not too me. But Boxrec ratings (certainly at cruiserweight) being good is a bit like saying, "Audley Harrison looked good in his last two fights". You just cant have Virgil Hill at number 30 or Johnny Nelson at 15 and if thats the formula that Boxrec have chosen to 'sort' then in my opinion the formula needs changing.
The problem with using a system that "LOOKS GOOD" is that it may look good when its implemented, but 12 months down the road it looks like total shit because of patterns in history.
Well.. I think the system who has the better prediction rate IS the better system... The reason there is.. no system will ever pull 100% prediction... No system can ever pull 100% prediction because its never logical to be able to.. so closer the better.
No computerized system will ever make a ranking system look good, so in terms of prediction rate, therefore the closer, the better. I think the only good computerized rating system is through a prediction rate process.[/quote]
We are not going to agree on that point JCS. I can only look with my eyes and see which is the better ratings, Ive not seen your system, you posted your Cruiserweights but you had Supermiddleweights in there and all sorts. The best ratings is very much a subjective thing, what looks good to you, may not too me. But Boxrec ratings (certainly at cruiserweight) being good is a bit like saying, "Audley Harrison looked good in his last two fights". You just cant have Virgil Hill at number 30 or Johnny Nelson at 15 and if thats the formula that Boxrec have chosen to 'sort' then in my opinion the formula needs changing.
Well, unfortunately "your eyes" don't have a measurement we can properly gauge systems with. The prediction rate is a measurement that we can properly gauge systems with.Lennox wrote:We are not going to agree on that point JCS. I can only look with my eyes and see which is the better ratings, Ive not seen your system, you posted your Cruiserweights but you had Supermiddleweights in there and all sorts. The best ratings is very much a subjective thing, what looks good to you, may not too me. But Boxrec ratings (certainly at cruiserweight) being good is a bit like saying, "Audley Harrison looked good in his last two fights". You just cant have Virgil Hill at number 30 or Johnny Nelson at 15 and if thats the formula that Boxrec have chosen to 'sort' then in my opinion the formula needs changing.jcs83md wrote:For the last time, the live system IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON PREDICTION RATE. The guys here at BoxRec take the initiative to make the ratings "LOOK GOOD". This is why my system is not the one used!!!!
The problem with using a system that "LOOKS GOOD" is that it may look good when its implemented, but 12 months down the road it looks like total shit because of patterns in history.
Well.. I think the system who has the better prediction rate IS the better system... The reason there is.. no system will ever pull 100% prediction... No system can ever pull 100% prediction because its never logical to be able to.. so closer the better.
No computerized system will ever make a ranking system look good, so in terms of prediction rate, therefore the closer, the better. I think the only good computerized rating system is through a prediction rate process.
So, until someone can agree on a system to make everyone happy.. then we will never prevail.
Having Super Middleweights in Cruiserweights etc, is a problem with classifying a fighter's weight class.. not a problem with the rating system. That problem exists at BoxRec too.
No shit the formula needs changing, I've been trying submit logical and would-be successful changes for forever now.
Prediction quality is one way to gauge a set of ratings of course. IBO is based on the man that beat the man that beat the man etc. ie it is Linear. That is the supposed method the sanctioning bodies use, less of course their rules for taking fighters out who are champs of other organisations or are fighting for other titles or are not with the right promotional firms.
Guess its just subjective which is the best way to have objective ratings.
Guess its just subjective which is the best way to have objective ratings.
I see Kirk Johnson is still ahead of Javier Mora. How is that linear? How do you handle inactivity and rating decay, etc. in a totally linear system?Lennox wrote:Prediction quality is one way to gauge a set of ratings of course. IBO is based on the man that beat the man that beat the man etc. ie it is Linear. That is the supposed method the sanctioning bodies use, less of course their rules for taking fighters out who are champs of other organisations or are fighting for other titles or are not with the right promotional firms.
Guess its just subjective which is the best way to have objective ratings.
BoxRec's system is prety much linear, however, the result of a fight factors in on the post-fight placement of the fighters. Also, I believe there are problems with how inactivity is handled, etc, which makes the system lesser.
It is also possible the IBO handles certain situations by manually editing some values... again, something Boxrec definitely does not do.. Where is IBO's formula anyway??? Can it be seen?? No. So it can't be tested... Who knows what's going on over there to make the ratings appear better.
Who cares what sanctioning bodies use anyway..
Try Joh% as first name, Bre% as last name.Deram wrote:How come search is so bad?
Try typing "johnny bredahl" in the search...
He is not even on the firsdt page of fighters even if you spell his name correctly. I have never seen such a bad search engine. There are so many free php search engines out there that are far better.
What kind of search engine cannot hande the precise name?jcs83md wrote:Try Joh% as first name, Bre% as last name.Deram wrote:How come search is so bad?
Try typing "johnny bredahl" in the search...
He is not even on the firsdt page of fighters even if you spell his name correctly. I have never seen such a bad search engine. There are so many free php search engines out there that are far better.
Ask JohnShep that is a strange one.Deram wrote:What kind of search engine cannot hande the precise name?jcs83md wrote:Try Joh% as first name, Bre% as last name.Deram wrote:How come search is so bad?
Try typing "johnny bredahl" in the search...
He is not even on the firsdt page of fighters even if you spell his name correctly. I have never seen such a bad search engine. There are so many free php search engines out there that are far better.
*** Common upset to both IBO and BoxrecLennox wrote:** The following fight was an upset in IBO but not in Boxrec
Rachid Kanfouah bt David Kostecki Kanfouah IBO 77 BR 22 Kostecki 36 IBO 28 BR
8 common upsets
4 upsets only in Boxrec
2 upsets only in IBO
Chris de Martinis bt Salv Battaglia, de martinis IBO 92 BR 93
Battaglia IBO 70 BR 53
* Upset only to Boxrec
Kutil bt Istvan Varga, Kutil IBO 94 BR 95
Varga IBO 100 BR 40
9 common upsets
5 upsets only in Boxrec
2 upsets only in IBO
Would you like to defend Luis Collazo. His Boxrec rating is 51. I do not think anyone could possibly think this rating was a good one, even johnShep or Computerrank, you must be totally embarrased. Why not scrap the ratings as they are and do a poll of members of Boxrec to vote their top 10s and collate the info to produce a top 20. These ratings are ruining your site.
I think theres a system in development that trumps this one. That is too low for Collazo, but I'm not totally certain he's proven he's Top 20 at 147.Lennox wrote:Would you like to defend Luis Collazo. His Boxrec rating is 51. I do not think anyone could possibly think this rating was a good one, even johnShep or Computerrank, you must be totally embarrased. Why not scrap the ratings as they are and do a poll of members of Boxrec to vote their top 10s and collate the info to produce a top 20. These ratings are ruining your site.
Latest collation of results:
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
*** Spina bt Jesse Brinkley, Spina was ranked 41 IBO and 70 BR
Brinkley was ranked 23 IBO and 34 BR
Upsets only in Boxrec
* Escobedo bt Ben Flores, Escobedo was ranked 87 IBO 168 BR
Flores was ranked 94 IBO 99 BR
* James Lubwana bt Ed Hemphill, Lubwana was ranked 51 IBO 108 BR
Hemphill was not ranked by IBO 93 BR
Results so far
Common Upsets 10
Upsets only in Boxrec 7
Upsets only in IBO 2
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
*** Spina bt Jesse Brinkley, Spina was ranked 41 IBO and 70 BR
Brinkley was ranked 23 IBO and 34 BR
Upsets only in Boxrec
* Escobedo bt Ben Flores, Escobedo was ranked 87 IBO 168 BR
Flores was ranked 94 IBO 99 BR
* James Lubwana bt Ed Hemphill, Lubwana was ranked 51 IBO 108 BR
Hemphill was not ranked by IBO 93 BR
Results so far
Common Upsets 10
Upsets only in Boxrec 7
Upsets only in IBO 2
Latest Collation of results:
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
***Lee Meager bt Stewart, Meager 93 IBO 55 BR
Stewart 91 IBO 43 BR
***Taras Bidenko bt Fabio Moli, Bidenko 95 IBO 85 BR
Moli 76 IBO 74 BR
***Jon Thaxton bt Jorge Miranda, Thaxton 94 IBO 116 BR
Miranda 39 IBO 35 BR
***Eric Aitken bt Perreira, Aitken 60 IBo 36 BR
Perreira 10 IBO 12 BR
*** Mensah bt Sebastian Rothman, Mensah was unranked by both
Rothman 17 IBO 16 BR
upsets only in IBO
**David Cadieux bt Pat L'hueurex, Cadiuex unr IBO 61 BR
L'huererex 89 IBO 130 BR
**Cesar Amonsot bt Reyes, Amonsot 52 IBO 61 BR
Reyes 48 IBO 90 BR
**Nelson Linares bt Aladino Alanis, Linares unr IBO 64 BR
Alanis 87 IBO 76 BR
upsets only in Boxrec
* Escobedo bt ben Flores, Escobedo 87 IBO, 168 BR
Flores 94 IBO 99 BR
Total Score
Common upsets to IBO and Boxrec 15
Upsets only in Boxrec 8
Upsets only in IBO 5
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
***Lee Meager bt Stewart, Meager 93 IBO 55 BR
Stewart 91 IBO 43 BR
***Taras Bidenko bt Fabio Moli, Bidenko 95 IBO 85 BR
Moli 76 IBO 74 BR
***Jon Thaxton bt Jorge Miranda, Thaxton 94 IBO 116 BR
Miranda 39 IBO 35 BR
***Eric Aitken bt Perreira, Aitken 60 IBo 36 BR
Perreira 10 IBO 12 BR
*** Mensah bt Sebastian Rothman, Mensah was unranked by both
Rothman 17 IBO 16 BR
upsets only in IBO
**David Cadieux bt Pat L'hueurex, Cadiuex unr IBO 61 BR
L'huererex 89 IBO 130 BR
**Cesar Amonsot bt Reyes, Amonsot 52 IBO 61 BR
Reyes 48 IBO 90 BR
**Nelson Linares bt Aladino Alanis, Linares unr IBO 64 BR
Alanis 87 IBO 76 BR
upsets only in Boxrec
* Escobedo bt ben Flores, Escobedo 87 IBO, 168 BR
Flores 94 IBO 99 BR
Total Score
Common upsets to IBO and Boxrec 15
Upsets only in Boxrec 8
Upsets only in IBO 5
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Lennox - a special for you -
1) For convenience I compared the results of your mail string with our new Boxrec Ratings release(to be published soon, now on our test server)
2) I compared all bouts until May 6 (present status on the test server) with a verification program
3) I compared all later bouts by directly accessing the test data base for the ranks/Rating points of the boxers
4) I made some comments to your mail string - see below
*****
Upsets compared with improved Boxrec Ratings (will be published soon)
Common upsets 7
Boxrec upsets 0
IBO upsets 12
***** see your mail string --> with some remarks on ratings and ranks in improved Boxrec Ratings --->
I have looked at fights that have involved fighters in the top 100 of both IBO and Boxrec (since 26-04-06). Firstly, I dont
agree that the better rating is the one that produces less upsets, ie the higher ranked fighter beats a lower ranked fighter,
I feel it is immaterial, as time passes fighters will get better and some will get worse, as a fighter getting better his
handlers should look for him to fight fighters higher in the ratings, therefore increasing his position and learning, but
here are the results so far.
There have been 6 fights where there were common upsets in Boxrec and IBO
1495/1344***Lamon Peterson beat Ramos, Peterson was ranked 73 IBO 79 BR
Ramos was ranked 21 IBO and 41 BR
1655/1531***Acelino Freitas beat Zahir Raheem, Freitas was ranked 5 IBO 4 BR
Raheem was ranked 3 IBO and 2 BR
1411/1289***Ray Narh beat Steve Quinonez, Narh was ranked 84 IBO 83 BR
Quinonez was ranked 54 IBO 63 BR
1258/1131***Yasuda beat Chuwatana, Yasuda was not in the top 100 IBO 81 BR
Chuwatana was ranked 23 IBO 18 BR
1383/1147***Asikainen beat Chris Tendil, Asikainen was not in the top 100 IBO BR 86 Tendil was 77 IBi 66 BR
1399/1379***Anselmo Moreno beat Felix Machado, Moreno was 45 IBO 79 BR
Machado was 41 IBO 17 BR
The following fight was an 'upset' in IBO but not in Boxrec
1449/1400**Henry Brussells beat Cesar Bazan, Brussells was 28 IBO 46 BR
Bazan was 15 IBO 96 BR
The following fights were 'upsets' in Boxrec but not in IBO
1414/1329* Irene Pachecho beat heriberto Ruiz, Pacheco was 12 IBO 47 BR
Ruiz was 20 IBO 14 BR
1726/1690*Kasim Ouma beat Marcos Rubio, Ouma was 6 IBO 8 BR
Rubio was 17 IBO 7 BR
1498/1229*Sergio Medina beat Pablo Sepulveda, Medina was 13 IBO 88 BR
Sepulveda was 69 IBO 82 BR
1249/1237*Glenn Donaire beat Cesar Lopez, Donaire was 36 IBO 70 BR
Lopez was 48 IBO 57 BR
Score is
Common Upsets 6
Boxrec Upsets 4
IBO upsets 1
c -
b -
i 7
2 more common upsets
1602/1562***Oscar de la hoya beats Mayorga. De la hoya was unranked by IBO and ranked 7 BR. Mayorga was 4 IBO 6 BR
1383/1491***Jose Riveria beat Alejandro Garcia, Riveria was 16 IBO (147) 80 BR
Garcia was 13 IBO 11 BR
c 1
b -
i 8
r17/r78** The following fight was an upset in IBO but not in Boxrec
Rachid Kanfouah bt David Kostecki Kanfouah IBO 77 BR 22 Kostecki 36 IBO 28 BR
8 common upsets
4 upsets only in Boxrec
2 upsets only in IBO
c 1
b -
i 9
*** Common upset to both IBO and Boxrec
47/110 Chris de Martinis bt Salv Battaglia, de martinis IBO 92 BR 93
Battaglia IBO 70 BR 53
* Upset only to Boxrec
r36/r138 Kutil bt Istvan Varga, Kutil IBO 94 BR 95
Varga IBO 100 BR 40
9 common upsets
5 upsets only in Boxrec
2 upsets only in IBO
c 2
b -
i 9
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
r40/r37*** Spina bt Jesse Brinkley, Spina was ranked 41 IBO and 70 BR
Brinkley was ranked 23 IBO and 34 BR
Upsets only in Boxrec
r106/r210* Escobedo bt Ben Flores, Escobedo was ranked 87 IBO 168 BR
Flores was ranked 94 IBO 99 BR
r172/r404* James Lubwana bt Ed Hemphill, Lubwana was ranked 51 IBO 108 BR
Hemphill was not ranked by IBO 93 BR
Results so far
Common Upsets 10
Upsets only in Boxrec 7
Upsets only in IBO 2
c 3
b -
i 9
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
r112/r96***Lee Meager bt Stewart, Meager 93 IBO 55 BR
Stewart 91 IBO 43 BR
r58/r88***Taras Bidenko bt Fabio Moli, Bidenko 95 IBO 85 BR
Moli 76 IBO 74 BR
r67/r66***Jon Thaxton bt Jorge Miranda, Thaxton 94 IBO 116 BR
Miranda 39 IBO 35 BR
r81/r8***Eric Aitken bt Perreira, Aitken 60 IBo 36 BR
Perreira 10 IBO 12 BR
?/r34*** Mensah bt Sebastian Rothman, Mensah was unranked by both
Rothman 17 IBO 16 BR
upsets only in IBO
r40/r69**David Cadieux bt Pat L'hueurex, Cadiuex unr IBO 61 BR
L'huererex 89 IBO 130 BR
1360/1356**Cesar Amonsot bt Reyes, Amonsot 52 IBO 61 BR
Reyes 48 IBO 90 BR
44/100**Nelson Linares bt Aladino Alanis, Linares unr IBO 64 BR
Alanis 87 IBO 76 BR
upsets only in Boxrec
r136/r210* Escobedo bt ben Flores, Escobedo 87 IBO, 168 BR
Flores 94 IBO 99 BR
Total Score
Common upsets to IBO and Boxrec 15
Upsets only in Boxrec 8
Upsets only in IBO 5
c 7
b -
i 12
1) For convenience I compared the results of your mail string with our new Boxrec Ratings release(to be published soon, now on our test server)
2) I compared all bouts until May 6 (present status on the test server) with a verification program
3) I compared all later bouts by directly accessing the test data base for the ranks/Rating points of the boxers
4) I made some comments to your mail string - see below
*****
Upsets compared with improved Boxrec Ratings (will be published soon)
Common upsets 7
Boxrec upsets 0
IBO upsets 12
***** see your mail string --> with some remarks on ratings and ranks in improved Boxrec Ratings --->
I have looked at fights that have involved fighters in the top 100 of both IBO and Boxrec (since 26-04-06). Firstly, I dont
agree that the better rating is the one that produces less upsets, ie the higher ranked fighter beats a lower ranked fighter,
I feel it is immaterial, as time passes fighters will get better and some will get worse, as a fighter getting better his
handlers should look for him to fight fighters higher in the ratings, therefore increasing his position and learning, but
here are the results so far.
There have been 6 fights where there were common upsets in Boxrec and IBO
1495/1344***Lamon Peterson beat Ramos, Peterson was ranked 73 IBO 79 BR
Ramos was ranked 21 IBO and 41 BR
1655/1531***Acelino Freitas beat Zahir Raheem, Freitas was ranked 5 IBO 4 BR
Raheem was ranked 3 IBO and 2 BR
1411/1289***Ray Narh beat Steve Quinonez, Narh was ranked 84 IBO 83 BR
Quinonez was ranked 54 IBO 63 BR
1258/1131***Yasuda beat Chuwatana, Yasuda was not in the top 100 IBO 81 BR
Chuwatana was ranked 23 IBO 18 BR
1383/1147***Asikainen beat Chris Tendil, Asikainen was not in the top 100 IBO BR 86 Tendil was 77 IBi 66 BR
1399/1379***Anselmo Moreno beat Felix Machado, Moreno was 45 IBO 79 BR
Machado was 41 IBO 17 BR
The following fight was an 'upset' in IBO but not in Boxrec
1449/1400**Henry Brussells beat Cesar Bazan, Brussells was 28 IBO 46 BR
Bazan was 15 IBO 96 BR
The following fights were 'upsets' in Boxrec but not in IBO
1414/1329* Irene Pachecho beat heriberto Ruiz, Pacheco was 12 IBO 47 BR
Ruiz was 20 IBO 14 BR
1726/1690*Kasim Ouma beat Marcos Rubio, Ouma was 6 IBO 8 BR
Rubio was 17 IBO 7 BR
1498/1229*Sergio Medina beat Pablo Sepulveda, Medina was 13 IBO 88 BR
Sepulveda was 69 IBO 82 BR
1249/1237*Glenn Donaire beat Cesar Lopez, Donaire was 36 IBO 70 BR
Lopez was 48 IBO 57 BR
Score is
Common Upsets 6
Boxrec Upsets 4
IBO upsets 1
c -
b -
i 7
2 more common upsets
1602/1562***Oscar de la hoya beats Mayorga. De la hoya was unranked by IBO and ranked 7 BR. Mayorga was 4 IBO 6 BR
1383/1491***Jose Riveria beat Alejandro Garcia, Riveria was 16 IBO (147) 80 BR
Garcia was 13 IBO 11 BR
c 1
b -
i 8
r17/r78** The following fight was an upset in IBO but not in Boxrec
Rachid Kanfouah bt David Kostecki Kanfouah IBO 77 BR 22 Kostecki 36 IBO 28 BR
8 common upsets
4 upsets only in Boxrec
2 upsets only in IBO
c 1
b -
i 9
*** Common upset to both IBO and Boxrec
47/110 Chris de Martinis bt Salv Battaglia, de martinis IBO 92 BR 93
Battaglia IBO 70 BR 53
* Upset only to Boxrec
r36/r138 Kutil bt Istvan Varga, Kutil IBO 94 BR 95
Varga IBO 100 BR 40
9 common upsets
5 upsets only in Boxrec
2 upsets only in IBO
c 2
b -
i 9
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
r40/r37*** Spina bt Jesse Brinkley, Spina was ranked 41 IBO and 70 BR
Brinkley was ranked 23 IBO and 34 BR
Upsets only in Boxrec
r106/r210* Escobedo bt Ben Flores, Escobedo was ranked 87 IBO 168 BR
Flores was ranked 94 IBO 99 BR
r172/r404* James Lubwana bt Ed Hemphill, Lubwana was ranked 51 IBO 108 BR
Hemphill was not ranked by IBO 93 BR
Results so far
Common Upsets 10
Upsets only in Boxrec 7
Upsets only in IBO 2
c 3
b -
i 9
Common upsets to both IBO and Boxrec
r112/r96***Lee Meager bt Stewart, Meager 93 IBO 55 BR
Stewart 91 IBO 43 BR
r58/r88***Taras Bidenko bt Fabio Moli, Bidenko 95 IBO 85 BR
Moli 76 IBO 74 BR
r67/r66***Jon Thaxton bt Jorge Miranda, Thaxton 94 IBO 116 BR
Miranda 39 IBO 35 BR
r81/r8***Eric Aitken bt Perreira, Aitken 60 IBo 36 BR
Perreira 10 IBO 12 BR
?/r34*** Mensah bt Sebastian Rothman, Mensah was unranked by both
Rothman 17 IBO 16 BR
upsets only in IBO
r40/r69**David Cadieux bt Pat L'hueurex, Cadiuex unr IBO 61 BR
L'huererex 89 IBO 130 BR
1360/1356**Cesar Amonsot bt Reyes, Amonsot 52 IBO 61 BR
Reyes 48 IBO 90 BR
44/100**Nelson Linares bt Aladino Alanis, Linares unr IBO 64 BR
Alanis 87 IBO 76 BR
upsets only in Boxrec
r136/r210* Escobedo bt ben Flores, Escobedo 87 IBO, 168 BR
Flores 94 IBO 99 BR
Total Score
Common upsets to IBO and Boxrec 15
Upsets only in Boxrec 8
Upsets only in IBO 5
c 7
b -
i 12
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L 749 1292 W SD 2006-04-01 Yvonne Reis Conjestina Achieng
W 1730 1511 L UD 2006-04-01 Lamon Brewster Serguei Lyakhovich
W 1536 1419 W UD 2006-04-01 Jorge Linares Saohin Srithai Condo
W 1173 532 W TKO 2006-04-01 Devis Boschiero Peter Feher
W 1646 973 W UD 2006-04-01 Joe Mesi Ronald Bellamy
W 1295 1104 W UD 2006-04-01 Billy Lyell Rob Dula
W 1473 1146 W TKO 2006-04-01 Kevin McBride Byron Polley
W 1473 1115 L TKO 2006-04-01 Tim Austin Eric Aiken
W 1326 1099 W UD 2006-04-01 Mohamed Azzaoui Costa Chondros
W 1267 982 W RTD 2006-04-01 Laura Serrano Tracy Byrd
W 1393 1201 W UD 2006-04-01 Stephen Foster John Simpson
W 1261 1110 W PTS 2006-04-01 Martin Watson Ryan Barrett
W 1668 787 W KO 2006-04-01 Matt Skelton Suren Kalachyan
W 1314 756 W TKO 2006-04-01 Ricky Burns Adolph Avadja
W 1341 858 W PTS 2006-04-01 Tony Oakey Radek Seman
W 1150 536 W PTS 2006-04-01 Steven Bell Jason Nesbitt
W 1448 970 W TKO 2006-04-01 Jose Lopez Ilido Julio
W 1353 944 W TKO 2006-04-01 Daniel Alicea Felix St Kitts
W 1287 1175 W MD 2006-04-01 Carlos Wilfredo Vilches Juan Alberto Godoy
W 1587 1373 W TKO 2006-04-01 Walter Dario Matthysse Juan Carlos Alderete
W 1391 1044 W KO 2006-04-01 Lucas Martin Matthysse Victor Daniel Rios
W 1373 1154 W KO 2006-04-01 Mauro Adrian Ordiales Carlos Javier Ojeda Roldan
L 1003 1298 W TKO 2006-04-01 Juan Mauricio Marino Pablo Martin Paoliello
W 1125 774 W RTD 2006-04-01 Jorge Pimentel Carlos Urias
W 1297 746 W UD 2006-04-01 Allan Luxford Robert Oyan
W 1661 785 W TKO 2006-04-01 Sergio Gabriel Martinez Presente Brito
W 1467 880 W TKO 2006-04-01 Nkosinathi Joyi Thulani Ndyamara
W 1046 505 W PTS 2006-04-01 Ashley Theophane Karl Taylor
W 1467 973 W TKO 2006-04-01 Ray Austin Jeremy Bates
W 1099 909 L RTD 2006-04-01 Artur Atadzhanov Martinus Clay
W 1317 1088 W TKO 2006-04-01 Jaffa Ballogou Oleksandr Garashchenko
L 867 1166 W PTS 2006-04-01 Michael Muya Joseph Miyumo
W 921 844 L TKO 2006-04-01 Ricardo Barrera Sammy Ventura
W 1257 761 W TKO 2006-04-01 Mia St John Shelby Walker
L 1167 1201 W MD 2006-04-01 Daisuke Nakagawa Koji Numata
L 942 1099 W TKO 2006-04-01 Mukadi Manda Asma Mohamed
L 1116 1239 L PTS 2006-04-01 Anthony Guillet Abdoulaye Thiam
W 1441 1238 W TKO 2006-04-02 Choi Tseveenpurev David Kiilu
L 1160 1211 L TKO 2006-04-02 Dean Phillips Tontcho Tontchev
L 899 1137 W UD 2006-04-02 Yuya Miyagi Juan Saparipan
W 1295 507 W TKO 2006-04-02 Seishu Iida Nannam Kiatprasanchai
W 1141 966 W TKO 2006-04-02 Richard Nwoba Ramadan Mahmoud
W 1392 815 W KO 2006-04-03 Masayuki Arinaga Yuichiro Komuro
W 1322 1085 W UD 2006-04-03 Yoshinori Miyata Haruki Tsuchiya
W 1180 978 W KO 2006-04-03 Alessio Furlan Moise Cherni
W 1510 1078 W UD 2006-04-03 Bernard Dunne Sergio Carlos Santillan
W 1228 1006 W KO 2006-04-03 Leivi Brea Osvaldo Cedeno
W 1131 658 W TKO 2006-04-03 Angel Recio Francisco Melendez
W 1252 988 W DQ 2006-04-05 Galen Brown Brock Stodden
W 1219 700 W UD 2006-04-05 Donnie McCrary Tony Menefee
W 1533 1311 W UD 2006-04-05 Verno Phillips Juan Carlos Candelo
W 1146 1039 W UD 2006-04-05 Zane Marks Jerry Perez
W 1233 730 W KO 2006-04-06 Jay Pina Karl Willis
L 644 1013 W KO 2006-04-06 Joey Ortega Lenny Silva
W 1365 910 W UD 2006-04-06 Mariusz Cendrowski Vladimir Borovski
W 1335 828 W TKO 2006-04-06 Mariusz Wach Oleg Belikov
W 1363 1228 W KO 2006-04-06 Roman Shkarupa Najim Ettouhlali
W 1189 956 W TKO 2006-04-07 Esteban Camou Arturo Rivera
W 1780 1490 W SD 2006-04-07 Isaac Hlatshwayo Nate Campbell
W 1398 890 W UD 2006-04-07 Terrance Cauthen Joshua Onyango
W 1281 885 W TKO 2006-04-07 Max Alexander Tiwon Taylor
W 1408 1121 W UD 2006-04-07 Chazz Witherspoon David Polk
W 1018 709 W TKO 2006-04-07 Elad Shmouel Rasheen Daniels
W 1209 1085 W TKO 2006-04-07 Jose Miguel Torres Jose Medina
W 1073 994 W KO 2006-04-07 Chris McCullen Dan Cody
W 1231 426 W KO 2006-04-07 Jose Alberto Clavero Rene Eduardo Vallejos
W 1335 1130 W UD 2006-04-07 Lee Haskins Zolile Mbityi
W 1325 1145 W TKO 2006-04-07 Peter Haymer Leigh Alliss
W 1629 1002 W PTS 2006-04-07 Scott Dann Yuri Tsarenko
W 1116 465 W TKO 2006-04-07 Rafael Pedro Gary Butler
W 1205 1132 W PTS 2006-04-07 Courtney Fry Vasyl Kondor
W 1313 569 W TKO 2006-04-07 Jose Antonio Izquierdo Miguel Angel Galindo
W 1403 965 W UD 2006-04-07 Gonzalo Omar Basile Miguel Angel Morales
W 1201 856 W KO 2006-04-07 Rodolfo Ezequiel Martinez Raul Elias Rojas
W 1271 1064 W UD 2006-04-07 Matias Daniel Ferreyra Hugo Orlando Fernandez
W 1460 1183 W UD 2006-04-07 Jairo Rafael Ramirez Russell Stoner Jones
W 1273 1180 W TKO 2006-04-07 Joaquin Zamora Cleiton Conceicao
W 1418 747 W TKO 2006-04-07 Juan Manuel Lopez Alberto Chuc
W 1569 849 W KO 2006-04-07 Mike Arnaoutis Mike Walker
W 1056 452 W TKO 2006-04-07 Sergio Rivera Guadalupe Arce
W 1145 993 W MD 2006-04-07 Jorge Osvaldo Dominguez Luis Alberto Arrieta
W 1315 809 W PTS 2006-04-07 Ismaël El Massoudi Ahmed Merichiche
W 1606 1600 L RTD 2006-04-08 Otis Grant Librado Andrade
W 1569 1303 W UD 2006-04-08 Sinan Samil Sam George Arias
W 1679 1153 W UD 2006-04-08 Alexander Dimitrenko Fernely Feliz
W 1439 1005 W RTD 2006-04-08 Ina Menzer Maribel Santana
W 1910 1639 W UD 2006-04-08 Floyd Mayweather Jr Zab Judah
W 1754 1452 W KO 2006-04-08 Jorge Arce Rosendo Alvarez
L 1233 1462 W UD 2006-04-08 Shoji Kimura Yoddamrong Sithyodthong
W 1342 1117 W UD 2006-04-08 Kohei Ohba Riki Shinpo
W 1491 1198 W UD 2006-04-08 Thomas Ulrich Henry Saenz
W 1326 1041 W UD 2006-04-08 Julia Sahin Cathy Brown
W 1375 1123 W UD 2006-04-08 David Torres Marteze Logan
W 1744 1511 W UD 2006-04-08 Juan Diaz Jose Miguel Cotto
W 1467 1136 W KO 2006-04-08 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr Tyler Ziolkowski
W 1186 601 W UD 2006-04-08 Krisztina Belinszky Svetla Taskova
L 1184 1213 W MD 2006-04-08 Laszlo Szucs Sergey Khomitsky
W 1243 891 W UD 2006-04-08 Tsutomu Yamanaka Atsushi Mando
W 1382 941 W UD 2006-04-08 Matt O'Brien Damone Wright
W 1244 773 W TKO 2006-04-08 Tyrone Brunson Terry Johnson
W 1394 643 W TKO 2006-04-08 Charlie Jose Navarro Denis Alekseev
W 1546 1098 W UD 2006-04-08 Hugo Hernan Garay Gustavo Enriquez
W 1471 1170 W UD 2006-04-08 Jose Pablo Estrella Gerardo Ramon Gomez
W 1276 1140 W UD 2006-04-08 Diego Oscar Silva Santiago Allione
W 1415 830 W UD 2006-04-08 Caril Emir Herrera German Guillermo Amado
W 1534 1118 W KO 2006-04-08 Zaurbek Baysangurov Laszlo Buranyi
W 1581 1115 W RTD 2006-04-08 Jorge Solis Adalberto Borquez
W 1357 1295 W UD 2006-04-08 Julio Zarate Antonio Meza
W 1321 868 W PTS 2006-04-08 Vyacheslav Uzelkov Vasily Andriyanov
W 1318 595 W KO 2006-04-08 Lanardo Tyner James Merriweather
W 1263 984 W UD 2006-04-08 Michael Rush Carl Handy
W 1378 983 W KO 2006-04-08 Eliecer Castillo Reynaldo Minus
W 1149 690 W KO 2006-04-08 Gene Molen Rico Cason
L 1095 1317 W TKO 2006-04-08 Mohamed Benbiou Cyril Thomas
L 879 1097 W PTS 2006-04-08 Ludovic Mace Tefouet Dieudonne
L 1287 1465 W SD 2006-04-08 Wes Ferguson Josesito Lopez
L 1262 1466 W TKO 2006-04-08 Salvador Garcia Juan Ramon Cruz
W 1222 624 W UD 2006-04-08 Faik Inan Zsolt Botos
W 1131 603 W UD 2006-04-08 Jonathan Arias Jorge Romero
W 1395 724 W TKO 2006-04-08 Gary Stark Jr Terrence Roy
L 1055 1241 L PTS 2006-04-08 Didier Nkuku Mupeko Thierry Karl
W 1375 773 W UD 2006-04-09 Dainoshin Kuma Songkom Jockygym
W 1584 1094 W UD 2006-04-09 Valdemir Pereira Yuri Romanovich
W 1259 843 W TKO 2006-04-09 Adailton De Jesus Jairo Moura Dos Santos
W 1212 776 W UD 2006-04-09 Carlos Nascimento Nelson Lemes
W 1346 1335 W UD 2006-04-10 Kengo Nagashima Shunsuke Ito
W 1281 1277 W UD 2006-04-10 Teppei Kikui Kuniyuki Aizawa
W 1443 950 W TKO 2006-04-11 Victor Puiu Walter Sergio Gomez
W 1584 1136 W KO 2006-04-12 Paul Williams Sergio Rios
W 1216 1085 W UD 2006-04-12 Hector Alatorre Arturo Quintero
W 1481 986 W TKO 2006-04-12 Jessica Rakoczy Angel McNamara
W 1293 1063 L TKO 2006-04-12 Frank Mondejar Daniel Stanisavljevic
L 1051 1274 W UD 2006-04-12 Manuel Quezada Eric Boose
W 1322 785 W KO 2006-04-12 Rafael Sosa Pintos Jose Luis Rodrigues
W 1472 1118 W KO 2006-04-12 Chris Arreola Manuel Lee Ossie
W 1416 669 W UD 2006-04-12 Marcos Angel Antonio Gomez Leonel Guillermo Eric Pereira
W 1354 638 W KO 2006-04-13 Saddam Kietyongyuth Richard Sandikal
W 1384 1367 L KO 2006-04-13 Verquan Kimbrough Jose Alberto Gonzalez
W 1399 594 W TKO 2006-04-13 Monty Meza Clay Mike Dobbs
W 1291 1203 L TKO 2006-04-13 Nicolai Firtha James Northey
W 1305 749 W TKO 2006-04-13 Dan Harvison Mike Middleton
W 1096 455 W PTS 2006-04-13 Nadeem Siddique David Kehoe
W 1440 1191 W TKO 2006-04-13 Wethya Sakmuangklang Simson Butar Butar
L 1411 1679 W UD 2006-04-14 Dominick Guinn Audley Harrison
L 1349 1426 W UD 2006-04-14 Frederic Klose Antonio Lauri
W 1536 1382 L KO 2006-04-14 Jackson Chanet Mger Mkrtchian
W 1406 966 W TKO 2006-04-14 Al Seeger Phillip Payne
W 1346 1274 W UD 2006-04-14 Jason Gavern Rafael Butler
W 1414 1100 W SD 2006-04-14 Travis Walker Andrew Greeley
W 1195 477 W UD 2006-04-14 Jermaine White Lee Cargle
W 1241 666 W KO 2006-04-14 Victor Proa Jose Francisco Sarabia
W 1511 1076 W RTD 2006-04-14 Andre Berto Horatio Garcia
W 1170 804 W SD 2006-04-14 Marcus Hall Vincent Harris
W 1404 912 W TKO 2006-04-14 Michel Rosales Julio Gamez
W 1384 892 W UD 2006-04-14 Raul Martinez Adalberto Davila
W 1261 819 W UD 2006-04-15 David Medina Alfred Salinas
W 1379 1323 W UD 2006-04-15 Peter Okhello Bob Mirovic
W 989 645 W UD 2006-04-15 Asmir Vojnovic Sandor Forgacs
W 1297 757 W KO 2006-04-15 Yasutaka Kuroki Nico Thomas
W 1369 944 W TKO 2006-04-15 Natascha Ragosina Carlette Ewell
W 1439 901 W TKO 2006-04-15 Alpaslan Aguzum Yury Tsybenko
L 1027 1352 W SD 2006-04-15 Gustavo Javier Kapusi Julio Cesar Dominguez
W 1469 834 W UD 2006-04-15 Taras Bidenko Alexei Osokin
W 1249 787 W RTD 2006-04-15 Pavel Melkomian Marco Heinichen
W 1388 902 W KO 2006-04-15 Gusmyl Perdomo Carlos Enrique Ramos
W 1147 542 W UD 2006-04-15 Michal Bilak Mihai Caciula
W 1266 800 W PTS 2006-04-15 Madjid Zaim Radek Seman
W 1168 833 W KO 2006-04-15 Anderson Clayton Alessandro Da Silva Nogueira
W 1056 465 W TKO 2006-04-15 Perry Ballard Bobby Elkins
W 1412 895 W KO 2006-04-18 Jorge Lacierva Reynaldo Hurtado
W 1560 1442 W TKO 2006-04-19 Kermit Cintron David Estrada
W 1093 1079 W UD 2006-04-19 Akhmed Oligov Philip Kotey
W 1238 1000 W UD 2006-04-19 Mauricio Pastrana Pedro Rincon Miranda
W 1312 986 W UD 2006-04-19 Alisher Rahimov Stanislav Merdov
W 1245 950 W TKO 2006-04-19 Maximo Cuevas Fontaine Cabell
L 1283 1423 W SD 2006-04-20 Hiroshi Yamaguchi Rev Santillan
W 1488 1197 W UD 2006-04-20 Curtis Stevens Carl Daniels
W 1319 1020 W UD 2006-04-20 Kei Igarashi Koji Toyoshima
W 1576 1269 W UD 2006-04-20 Silence Mabuza Ricardo Vargas
W 1376 1078 W KO 2006-04-20 Jerson Ravelo Donnell Wiggins
W 1489 1047 W UD 2006-04-20 Vassiliy Jirov Luke Munsen
W 1282 897 W RTD 2006-04-20 Chris Henry Etienne Whitaker
L 1077 1260 L SD 2006-04-21 Ernesto Manuel Castaneda Otis Griffin
L 1397 1457 W UD 2006-04-21 Simone Maludrottu Damaen Kelly
W 1535 1416 W KO 2006-04-21 Takalani Ndlovu Fabio Daniel Oliva
L 1275 1503 W TKO 2006-04-21 Derek Bryant Taurus Sykes
W 1413 1345 L SD 2006-04-21 Vicente Escobedo Daniel Jimenez
W 1199 993 W UD 2006-04-21 Rayonta Whitfield Evaristo Primero
W 1038 723 W MD 2006-04-21 Tony Caldwell David Gogichaisvili
W 1130 778 W KO 2006-04-21 Richard Stewart William Bailey
W 1330 1124 W MD 2006-04-21 Ivan Hernandez Roberto Carlos Leyva
W 1570 1014 W TKO 2006-04-21 Omar Andres Narvaez Feliciano Dario Azuaga Ledezma
W 1379 939 W KO 2006-04-21 Jorge Daniel Miranda Walter Acuna
W 1408 740 W TKO 2006-04-21 Julio David Roque Ler Sixto Vera Espinola
W 1160 781 W PTS 2006-04-21 Sergio Omar Priotti Gabriel Alejandro Funes
W 1337 792 W PTS 2006-04-21 Ceferino Dario Labarda Juan Carlos Cejas
W 1220 1096 W UD 2006-04-21 Rexon Flores Terdkiat Jandaeng
W 1308 1282 W TKO 2006-04-21 Alejandro Hernandez Raul Eliseo Medina
W 1310 926 W TKO 2006-04-21 Derek Ennis Richard Hall
W 1373 822 W KO 2006-04-21 James Kirkland Manny Castillo
W 1015 701 W UD 2006-04-21 Toris Brewer Carlos Jones
W 1394 1168 L PTS 2006-04-21 Barry Morrison Mihaita Mutu
W 1434 876 W UD 2006-04-21 Gonzalo Omar Basile Miguel Angel Antonio Aguirre
W 1237 645 W KO 2006-04-21 Rodolfo Ezequiel Martinez Gustavo Horacio Diaz
W 1278 1081 W UD 2006-04-21 Leon Bobo Frankie Zepeda
W 1311 725 W TKO 2006-04-21 Antonio Davis Cornell Jackson
W 1417 1024 W KO 2006-04-21 Fahsan 3K Battery Pedro Malco
W 920 421 W PTS 2006-04-21 Jason Rushton Peter Dunn
W 1369 1349 W RTD 2006-04-21 Rogelio Castaneda Jr Craig Weber
W 1580 1393 W TKO 2006-04-22 Sebastian Sylvester Steven Bendall
L 1697 1727 L TKO 2006-04-22 Chris Byrd Wladimir Klitschko
W 1112 540 W KO 2006-04-22 Vilmos Balog Vladimir Fecko
L 1229 1573 W TKO 2006-04-22 Jose Luis Herrera Jorge Fernando Castro
W 1413 1136 W TKO 2006-04-22 Oleg Platov Colin Kenna
W 1610 1286 W UD 2006-04-22 Timo Hoffmann Abraham Okine
W 1379 1324 W UD 2006-04-22 Rene Dettweiler Ondrej Pala
W 1328 468 W TKO 2006-04-22 Rick Dyer Mitchell Seigrist
W 1323 1025 W TKO 2006-04-22 Zach Walters Ted Muller
W 1421 1255 W UD 2006-04-22 Jose Nieves Tomas Rojas
W 1290 942 W MD 2006-04-22 Richard Gutierrez Hicklet Lau
L 1276 1357 W UD 2006-04-22 Sergio Eduardo Gonzalez Ricardo Daniel Silva
W 1563 1133 W PTS 2006-04-22 Janos Nagy Evgeny Strausov
W 1586 1088 W KO 2006-04-22 Attila Kovacs Marcin Piatkowski
W 1117 993 L TKO 2006-04-22 Laszlo Bognar Andrzej Sark
L 1266 1315 L SD 2006-04-22 Zsolt Nagy Andras Meszaros
W 1271 1153 W UD 2006-04-22 Martin Vicente Rodriguez Diego Alejandro Madole
W 1418 932 W TKO 2006-04-22 Luis Carlos Abregu Sergio Javier Benitez
W 1283 837 W KO 2006-04-22 Bruno Horacio Godoy Hector Ismael Cisneros
W 1298 837 W UD 2006-04-22 Alexander Abraham Marcen Gierke
W 1229 868 W UD 2006-04-22 Tamas Popovics Vasily Andriyanov
W 964 774 W TKO 2006-04-22 Michael Lozada Pedro Rabago
W 1490 1020 W KO 2006-04-22 Marcos Rene Maidana Omar Leon
W 1336 1214 L RTD 2006-04-22 Andrew Lewis Kenny Dalton
L 844 1117 L MD 2006-04-22 Robert Rubillar Sherwin Paro
W 1367 1209 W TKO 2006-04-22 Said Ouali Paul Delgado
L 1219 1231 W PTS 2006-04-23 Ismail Abdoul Don Diego Poeder
W 1140 667 W TKO 2006-04-23 Keita Ohmi Phalangchai Sor Voraphin
W 1408 603 W KO 2006-04-23 Hiroshi Nakamori Wanchana Chuwatana
W 1159 1144 W KO 2006-04-23 Malkaz Berkatsashvili Shalva Giorgishvili
W 1243 1063 W UD 2006-04-24 Kenji Saegusa Katsunori Ito
W 1106 774 W KO 2006-04-24 Darren Johnstone Henry Jones
W 1542 1472 W UD 2006-04-25 Pramuansak Posuwan Mbwana Matumla
W 1158 945 W KO 2006-04-25 Saengpetch Sor Sakulphan Gilbert De la Torre
W 1509 1467 W UD 2006-04-26 Jameel McCline Rob Calloway
W 1353 778 W TKO 2006-04-26 Hercules Kyvelos Jeff Carpenter
W 1314 1229 W UD 2006-04-26 Nicolay Popov Nuri Seferi
L 1221 1284 L TKO 2006-04-26 Adam Green Stephane Desormiers
W 1557 1236 W TKO 2006-04-26 Allan Green Donnie McCrary
W 1273 1020 W UD 2006-04-26 Paul Clavette Martin Desjardins
W 1211 938 W KO 2006-04-26 Tabtimdaeng Na Rachawat Jin Hyung Yuh
W 1427 1027 W TKO 2006-04-26 Kuvanych Toygonbayev Ihar Filonau
W 1152 1020 W UD 2006-04-26 Alexander Hrulev Nikita Lukin
W 1246 918 W MD 2006-04-27 Jahongir Abdullaev Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov
W 1218 687 W KO 2006-04-27 Luciano Zolyone Julio Abel Gonzalez
W 1122 618 W TKO 2006-04-27 Zdravko Kostic Karoly Kovacs
W 1244 1152 L TKO 2006-04-27 Luciano Perez Calvin Odom
W 1346 739 W UD 2006-04-27 Isaac Mendoza Juan Polo Perez
W 1449 924 W UD 2006-04-27 Terry Smith Louis Monaco
W 1077 538 W UD 2006-04-27 Oisin Fagan Steve Mincks
W 1275 797 W PTS 2006-04-27 Daniel Reyes Alfonso De La Hoz
W 1261 1173 W TKO 2006-04-27 Cesar Canchila Antonio Cochero
W 1418 1178 W UD 2006-04-27 Reyes Sanchez Luis Alberto Cruz
W 1180 513 W MD 2006-04-28 Jose Gutierrez Chris Regular
W 1079 935 W PTS 2006-04-28 Francis Jones Richard Mazurek
L 1124 1303 W KO 2006-04-28 Taz Jones Graham Delehedy
W 1227 800 W UD 2006-04-28 Eromosele Albert Daniel Neal
W 1542 1161 W RTD 2006-04-28 Michael Hunter German Guartos
W 1495 1344 W UD 2006-04-28 Lamont Peterson Mario Jose Ramos
W 1389 1176 W RTD 2006-04-28 Anthony Peterson Jermaine White
W 1287 1040 L KO 2006-04-28 Tonton Semakala Jurijs Boreiko
W 1761 1123 W KO 2006-04-28 Samuel Peter Julius Long
W 1567 1378 W UD 2006-04-28 Brian Minto Billy Zumbrun
W 1345 1017 W TKO 2006-04-28 Michael Marrone Dan Whetzel
W 1210 1133 W KO 2006-04-28 Shawn Hawk Joe Evans
W 1196 849 W UD 2006-04-28 Arthur Cook Innocent Otukuwu
W 1242 806 W UD 2006-04-28 Tommy Browne Ruben Santillanosa
W 1419 1257 W RTD 2006-04-28 Robert Medley Eddie Delic
L 1114 1270 L TKO 2006-04-28 Matthew Paulley John Cotterill Jnr
W 1558 1199 W UD 2006-04-28 Oleydong Sithsamerchai Rollen Del Castillo
W 1406 1081 W UD 2006-04-28 Jose Miguel Aguiniga Andres Ledesma
W 1335 423 W PTS 2006-04-28 Alberto Servidei Marek Szabo
W 1140 570 W KO 2006-04-28 Giovanni Niro Jozef Gabris
W 1170 852 W UD 2006-04-28 Darryl Salmon Corey Budd
W 1410 1069 W UD 2006-04-28 Michel Rosales Fernando Mena
W 1554 1197 W TKO 2006-04-28 Simon Ramoni Zolani Mbelekane
W 1297 694 W TKO 2006-04-28 Jasper Seroka Peter Adams
W 1387 974 W TKO 2006-04-28 Cedric Boswell Wallace McDaniel
L 892 1013 W UD 2006-04-28 Walter Palacios Wilmer Gonzalez
L 918 1077 W UD 2006-04-28 Cristian Osvaldo Ledesma Lucas Alejandro Mignoni
W 1124 597 W PTS 2006-04-28 Isaac Ward Rakhim Mingaleev
W 1264 958 W KO 2006-04-29 Mike Miranda Denis De Barros
W 1329 1153 W PTS 2006-04-29 Martin Watson George Ashie
W 1177 632 W KO 2006-04-29 Luciano Leonel Cuello Adolfo Dionisio Rios
W 1127 536 W TKO 2006-04-29 William Guthrie Eric Starr
W 1486 508 W TKO 2006-04-29 Jean Paul Mendy Travis Clybourn
L 677 1270 W TKO 2006-04-29 Matt Green Jonathan Haggler
L 912 1053 W UD 2006-04-29 Otis Tisdale Eli Dixon
W 1227 722 W KO 2006-04-29 Juan Mercedes Martin Armenta
W 1655 1531 W SD 2006-04-29 Acelino Freitas Zahir Raheem
W 1373 1313 W RTD 2006-04-29 Andre Ward Andy Kolle
W 1535 1269 W UD 2006-04-29 Luan Krasniqi David Bostice
W 1292 787 W UD 2006-04-29 Alex Mazikin Suren Kalachyan
W 1334 911 W UD 2006-04-29 Sebastian Zbik Gotthard Hinteregger
W 1721 1206 W TKO 2006-04-29 Ivan Calderon Miguel Tellez
W 1464 1228 W UD 2006-04-29 Andy Morris Rendall Munroe
L 1153 1375 W TKO 2006-04-29 Colin McNeil Gary Young
W 1298 1245 W TKO 2006-04-29 Raul Marquez Miguel Hernandez
W 1455 739 W KO 2006-04-29 Ann Wolfe Cassandra Giger
W 1196 912 W UD 2006-04-29 Chase Shields William Johnson
W 1483 407 W TKO 2006-04-29 Emmanuel Nwodo Ron Krull
W 1449 1400 W UD 2006-04-29 Henry Bruseles Cesar Bazan
W 1489 1080 W TKO 2006-04-29 Alonzo Butler Zack Page
W 1173 1134 W KO 2006-04-29 Raul Eduardo Bejarano Jorge Osvaldo Dominguez
W 1075 989 W KO 2006-04-29 Alexander Tanchiva Miguel Aros
W 1100 630 W TKO 2006-04-29 Ali Yildirim Ramdane Kaouane
W 1172 579 W PTS 2006-04-29 Kell Brook Ernie Smith
W 1382 832 W KO 2006-04-29 Andreas Sidon Danut Moisa
W 1414 1329 W UD 2006-04-29 Irene Pacheco Heriberto Ruiz
W 1377 813 W KO 2006-04-29 Alex de Jesus Edgar Villa
W 1591 1260 W UD 2006-04-29 Andreas Kotelnik Richard Reina
L 990 1133 W TKO 2006-04-29 Carlos Ramon Mairena Leonardo Gonzalez
W 1289 956 W UD 2006-04-29 Gianfranco Rosi Christophe Karagoz
W 1200 416 W PTS 2006-04-29 Lee McAllister Peter Dunn
W 1175 797 W MD 2006-04-30 Hiroaki Yokota Kazuhiro Furukawa
W 1250 1059 W TKO 2006-04-30 Robert Allanic Saensak Singmanasak
W 1408 770 W KO 2006-04-30 William Gonzalez Elvis Romero
W 1174 651 W PTS 2006-04-30 Jaime Barboza Jorge Ortiz
W 1247 564 W KO 2006-04-30 Lucas Arias Milton Carvajal
W 1643 1382 W UD 2006-05-01 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Daigo Nakahiro
W 1382 1002 W UD 2006-05-01 Panomroonglek Kratingdaenggym Jun Eraham
W 1459 1023 W KO 2006-05-02 Denkaosan Kaovichit Eugene Gonzales
W 1549 1350 W UD 2006-05-03 Sharmba Mitchell Jose Luis Cruz
W 1404 1289 W SD 2006-05-03 Ray Narh Steve Quinonez
W 1328 1021 W UD 2006-05-03 Lorenzo Reynolds Arthur Brambila
W 1242 1033 W UD 2006-05-04 Arturo Morales Martinus Clay
W 1559 1361 W TKO 2006-05-04 Sergio Mora Archak TerMeliksetian
W 1087 1074 W UD 2006-05-04 Jonathan Reid Ryan Davis
W 1348 1175 W UD 2006-05-04 Miguel Espino Gabriel Holguin
W 1383 1147 W KO 2006-05-05 Amin Asikainen Christophe Tendil
W 1151 821 W UD 2006-05-05 Reidar Walstad Marcel Kasimov
W 1334 998 W UD 2006-05-05 Donald Camarena Frans Hantindi
W 1400 1168 W TKO 2006-05-05 Koki Kameda Carlos Fajardo
W 1282 1012 W SD 2006-05-05 Angel Hernandez Antonio Garcia
L 1241 1244 L MD 2006-05-05 Kermin Guardia Edgar Velasquez
W 1327 1129 W RTD 2006-05-05 Hussein Hussein Kompayak Porpramook
W 1258 1131 W UD 2006-05-05 Shinnosuke Yasuda Waenpetch Chuwatana
W 1411 1039 W TKO 2006-05-05 Brandon Rios Juan Alfonso Figueroa
W 1173 795 W KO 2006-05-05 Giovanni Andrade Jilvan Santos Silva
W 1402 744 W KO 2006-05-05 Giovanni Segura Valentin Leon
L 1301 1362 W UD 2006-05-05 Irvin Buhlalu Benedict Dlamini
W 1293 1130 W UD 2006-05-05 Rubin Williams Richard Grant
W 1251 781 W SD 2006-05-05 Rodolfo Ezequiel Martinez Julio Gonzalez
W 1366 868 W TKO 2006-05-05 Nick Casal Marcus Luck
W 1367 1041 W TKO 2006-05-05 James Kirkland David Estrada
W 1498 1229 W UD 2006-05-05 Sergio Manuel Medina Pablo David Sepulveda
W 1465 1017 W KO 2006-05-05 Francisco Antonio Mora Manuel Alvarez
W 1567 1011 W KO 2006-05-05 Hector David Saldivia Dionisio Miranda
W 1331 1001 W UD 2006-05-05 Matias Daniel Ferreyra Hugo Orlando Fernandez
W 1426 909 W TKO 2006-05-05 Lucas Martin Matthysse Hernan Abraham Valenzuela
W 1135 656 W UD 2006-05-05 Renan Acosta Edinson Jimenez
W 1265 705 W TKO 2006-05-05 Corey Johnson Karl Willis
W 1167 810 W TKO 2006-05-05 Alfredo Escalera Cullen Rogers
W 1245 798 W PTS 2006-05-05 Shalva Jomardashvili Zaza Sakashvili
W 1445 958 W KO 2006-05-05 Luis Carlos Abregu Raul Armando Lopez
W 1350 1270 W UD 2006-05-05 Juho Tolppola Nikita Zaytsev
W 1495 1126 W KO 2006-05-05 Juan Manuel Buendia Alexis Divison
W 1399 1379 W UD 2006-05-05 Anselmo Moreno Felix Machado
W 1391 1111 W UD 2006-05-05 Joel Cerrud Armando Rojas
W 1249 1237 W UD 2006-05-05 Glenn Donaire Cesar Lopez
W 1726 1690 W SD 2006-05-06 Kassim Ouma Marco Antonio Rubio
W 1602 1562 W TKO 2006-05-06 Oscar De La Hoya Ricardo Mayorga
L 1383 1491 W UD 2006-05-06 Jose Antonio Rivera Alejandro Garcia
W 1320 872 W KO 2006-05-06 Antonio Joao Bento Juciel Lima Nascimento
W 1369 947 W TKO 2006-05-06 Randy Griffin Anibal Acevedo
W 1148 787 W PTS 2006-05-06 Jane Couch Viktoria Oleynik
W 1265 1129 W TKO 2006-05-06 Wayne Elcock Lawrence Murphy
L 1028 1185 W TKO 2006-05-06 Gary Reid Kevin McIntyre
W 1116 724 W PTS 2006-05-06 Scott Lawton Baz Carey
W 1424 839 W KO 2006-05-06 Elio Rojas Frankie Martinez
W 1683 1428 W TKO 2006-05-06 Zsolt Erdei Paul Murdoch
W 1482 1168 W UD 2006-05-06 Regina Halmich Viktoria Milo
W 1377 973 W KO 2006-05-06 Karoly Balzsay Maneno Oswald
L 1481 1588 W UD 2006-05-06 Eagle Kyowa Rodel Mayol
W 1446 1172 W TKO 2006-05-06 Malcolm Tunacao Yasuo Kijima
W 1487 1263 W TKO 2006-05-06 Yusuke Kobori Kazunori Fujita
W 1610 1436 W UD 2006-05-06 Joan Guzman Javier Jauregui
W 1503 1040 W TKO 2006-05-06 Ricardo Castillo David Vasquez
W 1519 1281 W TKO 2006-05-06 Michel Trabant Marco Cattikas
W 1482 1209 W KO 2006-05-06 Muhammad Rachman Omar Soto
W 1572 1397 W TKO 2006-05-06 DaVarryl Williamson Mike Mollo
W 1138 1020 W UD 2006-05-06 Yuta Nagai Yusuke Morishima
W 1511 1324 W SD 2006-05-06 Luis Alberto Perez Dimitri Kirilov
W 1329 775 W UD 2006-05-06 Diego Oscar Silva Carlos Gustavo Palacios
Yes, Jcs I said i'd look at both sets of ratings for a month, to see if IBO prediction rate is vastly inferior to Boxrec. Some have said that is the criteria for 'good ratings'. It would appear so far that Boxrec does not have superior prediction rate to IBO. In general upsets are common in both and the marginal ones that are unique to IBO or Boxrec are immaterial. Perhaps it will change over this next week.jcs83md wrote:still missing the point on this "study". Lennox you said prediction rate doesn't matter yet you're tracking upsets..
I have and still maintain a good set of ratings have to look good, no one will take a set ratings seriously with Luis Collazo at number 51, or Virgil Hill at number 29, for that reason I maintain Boxrec ratings are the let down of this very fine site. I do not think anyone in their right mind would say Boxrec ratings are superior to IBO. Just because IBO does not publish its formula does not make it crap, Coca Cola do not publish their recipe after all.
I am more convinced 'Prediction method' is absolutely not how to produce a set of boxing ratings, they should mirror what has happpened rather than what might happen which is IBO philosophy. Luis Collazo at 51 and some novice who is 7-0 at number 50, you are joking.