GGG: an all time middleweight great?

[boxing_rocks]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

[tiny_acres]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

I really do appreciate you sticking to your opinion. Most just drop it or cave in.
I just don't agree with it.

[oogiebe]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

I really do appreciate you sticking to your opinion. Most just drop it or cave in.
I just don't agree with it.

Me neither. FFS Greb beat HW's! He's widely considered on the best P4P fighters in history!

[Onetimeonly]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

Him joking around on the bag? Look up video of the guys he beat. Ahh, never mind. Enjoy yourself.

[Onetimeonly]

If you're that skeptical of his ability I'd think that would make you more impressed with his toughness.

GGG is an amazing fighter with great career accomplishments. I just don't see him as the best of all time. I see him 10 - 15 at this point. In time, like many other fighters, I may have a greater appreciation for him.

Middle is such a deep division. I can't see him top 20, though some of his results can age well.

[gilgamesh]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

There is no footage of him FIGHTING. There is video of him training. You sound like a complete idiot, and you're making an ass of yourself here.

[boxing_rocks]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

There is no footage of him FIGHTING. There is video of him training. You sound like a complete idiot, and you're making an ass of yourself here.

So, there is no video of him fighting, but you are sure that he is so great. At least I have some grounds to say that he isn't, because training reflects reality like him having poor footwork, etc.

[ironbeard]

3G deserved better, but he knew going into both GingerHead fights that he needed a stoppage to win.

I can’t put him at ATG level for MW.

[gilgamesh]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

There is no footage of him FIGHTING. There is video of him training. You sound like a complete idiot, and you're making an ass of yourself here.

So, there is no video of him fighting, but you are sure that he is so great. At least I have some grounds to say that he isn't, because training reflects reality like him having poor footwork, etc.

You don't beat the guys he beat without being a great fighter.

[dickbelden]

gene tunney was 79-1-4---the 1 loss was to harry greb !---finished 3-1-1 vs greb.

[oogiebe]

Fighters like Monroe Jr or Sergio Mora would beat Greb. Just look up video about him on YouTube.

There is no footage of him FIGHTING. There is video of him training. You sound like a complete idiot, and you're making an ass of yourself here.

So, there is no video of him fighting, but you are sure that he is so great. At least I have some grounds to say that he isn't, because training reflects reality like him having poor footwork, etc.

I'm done with you. Go watch another youtube video and learn something!

[Jacopodb]

He'd definitely fall into the Top 20 somewhere. He's accomplished that much at least.

I love the guy, but one can rattle off 20 MW's legends faster than any other division in boxing, IMHO

Rattle off 20 that are better than GGG then.

I'll even help you with the obvious ones.

Greb
Monzon
Robinson
Hagler
Hopkins
Mickey Walker

So that's 6. Name 14 more

At least Benvenuti, perhaps, and saving a little spot for Toney wouldn't make a dime of damage.

Pavlik and Jermain Taylor would be among the most dangerous outsiders at least. Honourable mentions if not more.

[boxing_rocks]

gene tunney was 79-1-4---the 1 loss was to harry greb !---finished 3-1-1 vs greb.

So what? Sports super stars from the beginning of the century are not comparable to current elite in ANY sport.

[boxing_rocks]

There is no footage of him FIGHTING. There is video of him training. You sound like a complete idiot, and you're making an ass of yourself here.

So, there is no video of him fighting, but you are sure that he is so great. At least I have some grounds to say that he isn't, because training reflects reality like him having poor footwork, etc.

I'm done with you. Go watch another youtube video and learn something!

Go pray to your ancient boxing gods. Just don't start a war against infidels who don't believe in those legends.

[oogiebe]

So, there is no video of him fighting, but you are sure that he is so great. At least I have some grounds to say that he isn't, because training reflects reality like him having poor footwork, etc.

I'm done with you. Go watch another youtube video and learn something!

Go pray to your ancient boxing gods. Just don't start a war against infidels who don't believe in those legends.

Here's an idea...go to history forum and see Greb v Langford. Read and learn. I'm serious.

[gilgamesh]

I love the guy, but one can rattle off 20 MW's legends faster than any other division in boxing, IMHO

Rattle off 20 that are better than GGG then.

I'll even help you with the obvious ones.

Greb
Monzon
Robinson
Hagler
Hopkins
Mickey Walker

So that's 6. Name 14 more

At least Benvenuti, perhaps, and saving a little spot for Toney wouldn't make a dime of damage.

Pavlik and Jermain Taylor would be among the most dangerous outsiders at least. Honourable mentions if not more.

I love James Toney, but I don't know if I'd count him with the very best Middleweights just because the bulk of his best work was done beyond that weight, but he did have a few standout wins at 160. For the most part though making that weight caused him to struggle with guys he shouldn't have. Dave Tiberi in particular.

[Onetimeonly]

He did more than struggle, tiberi beat the shit out of him.

[gilgamesh]

He did more than struggle, tiberi beat the poo out of him.

He deserved it yeah. Beat the sh*t out of him is a stretch, but he won the fight.

[Onetimeonly]

He did more than struggle, tiberi beat the poo out of him.

He deserved it yeah. Beat the sh*t out of him is a stretch, but he won the fight.

Not a stretch to me. One if histories worst decisions. I thought Johnson beat him too, that was much closer.

[boxing_rocks]

I'm done with you. Go watch another youtube video and learn something!

Go pray to your ancient boxing gods. Just don't start a war against infidels who don't believe in those legends.

Here's an idea...go to history forum and see Greb v Langford. Read and learn. I'm serious.

Learn what? How a fight between two great boxers of that ancient period went? They are still worse than current elite boxers in terms of skills, size and conditioning. David defeated Golliah, but he wouldn't be competitive against AK-47.

[gilgamesh]

Go pray to your ancient boxing gods. Just don't start a war against infidels who don't believe in those legends.

Here's an idea...go to history forum and see Greb v Langford. Read and learn. I'm serious.

Learn what? How a fight between two great boxers of that ancient period went? They are still worse than current elite boxers in terms of skills, size and conditioning. David defeated Golliah, but he wouldn't be competitive against AK-47.

It wasn't an "Ancient period" it was 100 years ago. They weren't cavemen, and you don't fight the guys they fought, and beat the guys they fought without being a truly great fighters.

Tommy Gibbons only had 4 losses in his Pro career. One was to Harry Greb, one was to Jack Dempsey. I forget the other two, but that shows the kinda level that Greb must've been at to be able to hand a rare defeat to a fighter of such talent.

Gene Tunney who dethroned Dempsey, and beat him again ind defense of the title had a much more difficult time with Harry Greb.

These are facts.

[victor-romeo]

GGG all time Middleweight great? I would say no. Best of last 6 or 7 years yes. GGG is probably in the top 20 of great Middleweights , without me looking up the list. In my life time Hagler was the best Middleweight followed by Bernard Hopkins, and you might have to consider Roy Jones who wasn't famous Middleweight but I believe fought and beat Hopkins in a title fight, along with I hate to say it Sugar Ray Leonard who beat an aged Hagler in a controversial decision.

I do wonder how the Kelly Pavlik that fought Jermain Taylor fight one, would do against GGG. The fight I always really wanted to see was GGG vs Pirog.

I must tip my hat though to GGG for a great chin ,foot work and power and helping[although not alone] to carry boxing as an elite sport for the last 3 or 4 years.

[boxing_rocks]

Here's an idea...go to history forum and see Greb v Langford. Read and learn. I'm serious.

Learn what? How a fight between two great boxers of that ancient period went? They are still worse than current elite boxers in terms of skills, size and conditioning. David defeated Golliah, but he wouldn't be competitive against AK-47.

It wasn't an "Ancient period" it was 100 years ago. They weren't cavemen, and you don't fight the guys they fought, and beat the guys they fought without being a truly great fighters.

Tommy Gibbons only had 4 losses in his Pro career. One was to Harry Greb, one was to Jack Dempsey. I forget the other two, but that shows the kinda level that Greb must've been at to be able to hand a rare defeat to a fighter of such talent.

Gene Tunney who dethroned Dempsey, and beat him again ind defense of the title had a much more difficult time with Harry Greb.

These are facts.

These are facts about boxers from 100 years ago fighting EACH OTHER, so none of their achievements prove that they acn compete against elite from today or even 70s the same way as great athletes from other sports wouldn't be able to compete with modern elite.

[gilgamesh]

Learn what? How a fight between two great boxers of that ancient period went? They are still worse than current elite boxers in terms of skills, size and conditioning. David defeated Golliah, but he wouldn't be competitive against AK-47.

It wasn't an "Ancient period" it was 100 years ago. They weren't cavemen, and you don't fight the guys they fought, and beat the guys they fought without being a truly great fighters.

Tommy Gibbons only had 4 losses in his Pro career. One was to Harry Greb, one was to Jack Dempsey. I forget the other two, but that shows the kinda level that Greb must've been at to be able to hand a rare defeat to a fighter of such talent.

Gene Tunney who dethroned Dempsey, and beat him again ind defense of the title had a much more difficult time with Harry Greb.

These are facts.

These are facts about boxers from 100 years ago fighting EACH OTHER, so none of their achievements prove that they acn compete against elite from today or even 70s the same way as great athletes from other sports wouldn't be able to compete with modern elite.

You didn't see the athletes of today compete with the athletes of the past any more than you've seen the athletes of the past compete with the athletes of today have you? So it's all just assumptions.

You can only be as great as those around you at the time you are active in your sport, and by that standard Greb is one of the Greatest of all time, and always will be.

[caldo2025]

Anyone that doesn't think that GGG is one of the all time greatest Middleweights in Boxing History is a moron. I'm sure the Mexican contingent who hate GGG because he beat Canelo both times he fought him will chime in with some garbage. GGG is an undefeated fighter and has never been beaten. NEVER. He may fight again and lose now because the judges screwed him out of a legacy that he deserved and in turn will ruin what should have been a flawless record and an incredible career. So I guess we will need to review again when retirement is announced.

Also, I believe that when determining a boxer's greatness, these fights at the end of a career and past prime fights still need to count when considering greatness. They shouldn't just be eliminated because they are considered old. Boxers can do damage to their historical placement by sticking around too long. You can't unsee some things. Some luckily have years and years of epic fights that minimize the ugly losses at the end like Sugar Ray and Iron Mike but other boxers that didn't have those big FOY type fights have less of a safety net to work with IMO.

As soon as you said "...is a moron" I stopped reading your post.

Who gives a shat what you did? Screw