Dominic Breazeale vs. Carlos Negrón - December 22, 2018

[oogiebe]

Rocky Fielding is a good example of someone who got "smashed like he was nothing". On the other hand, Breazeale hung in there for seven rounds with Joshua & managed to get up from both knockdowns showing that he has a decent chin & a lot of heart.
While he may not be my favorite heavyweight, I do think that Breazeale gets a bad rap from a lot of fans & I'm not sure why. He's a tough, hard-hitting guy that makes for exciting fights so I don't understand why he's so disliked by so many. I think he's an interesting heavyweight to have in the mix at the top ten.

He has been getting a bad rap stemming from him asking for his mandatory shot with Wilder. He has not earned his #1 spot, it was gifted to him, even though Whyte was/is the holder of the silver #1 contender belt and has defended it multiple times. It's corrupt, and for him to accept the #1 spot, and have the nerve to tout it, loses a lot of true boxing fan's respect for the man- including myself (former Brazeale fan)

[candyslim]

It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

[oogiebe]

It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

[KiwiRider]

It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

I'm with you Slim
Can I also add the level of Brazeale's opponents and activity since Ungonoh ( nearly 2 years ago) has been dissapoining considering his ranking position

[candyslim]

Agreed but if you had Dom's skill level would you fancy Whyte, Ortiz, Miller, Povetkin, Pulev or Parker approaching you from the diagonally opposite corner of the ring with malice aforethought?

No me neither

[candyslim]

It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

What's the big idea?. You come on here with your common sense and your reasonable pragmatism - diabolical liberty I call it

[oogiebe]

It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

What's the big idea?. You come on here with your common sense and your reasonable pragmatism - diabolical liberty I call it

Yeah...please forgive me! LOL!

[candyslim]

Alright. Just this once.

[oogiebe]

Alright. Just this once.

ok, but ONLY once.

[KiwiRider]

If Negron wasn't inactive and ranked by boxrec, where do you think he would be rated?
My guess is around 250-300

[jamamb]

he had 48 points after his last fight which is what #41 oleksandr teslenko has now . of course hell be lower if he gets an inactivity penalty

he nearly tripled his points just for beating rossey

[Onetimeonly]

It seems to me there ar two separate issues here: The first is that Breazeale doesn't deserve the mandatory position, it should have been Dillian Whyte's. Yes I don't think any fair-minded boxing fan could argue with that. Let's move on.

The second is that even if his status is undeserved, the fact is he remains the WBC's mandatory challenger and I absolutely support his right to kick up a fuss. I'm sick of the WBC playing fast and loose with their own rules, it's absurd that Deontay has faced one mandatory in almost four years, Povetkin or no bloody Povetkin, and the one mandatory challenger he did face had died in the interim and nobody noticed (ok I may have exaggerated ever so slightly for effect )

You Sulaiman have engineered the selection of the mandatory challenger chosen by Al Haymon. Now ferkin call it and set a deadline date you pathetic servile excuse for a president..

And I'm not hating on Wilder so don't start. It's Haymon and his poodle where the blame lies.

In all fairness Slim, how Breazeale became mandatory is as stupid as any other promoter/sanctioning body decision. The WBC is as bad as the WBO/WBA/IBF, etc. As a fan, I'm not interested in Breazeale's title shot. No one expected a Fury/Wilder draw and that has really upset the apple cart for Breazeale, as well as Joshua's reservation at Wembley in April. We fans will now have to sit back and see what transpires after this weekend concerning AJ's April fight, and wait even further to see if the Fury/Wilder fight can get worked out. Making Breazeale mandatory was silly, and not following through is more evidence that corruption and a lack of integrity is, and probably always will be prevalent in boxing. But...I love the sweet science, so I'll just have to take it.

Slim will whine about wilder in his grave. Who gives a fornicate about a mandatory when he fought Ortiz and fury?

[candyslim]

Then what is the point of having them?

Mandatories are (in theory anyway) there to ensure a title does not stagnate and deserving fighters get the chances they've worked for. I'm glad Ortiz got his shot, especially since he gave up a guaranteed next-up mandatory against Joshua (WBA) to fight Wilder instead and nearly got a ban for his trouble for not declaring his blood-pressure meds. I'm happy that it worked out for him.

Tyson has shown he is still one of the best but he wasn't required to earn his shot like he should have been.

[Onetimeonly]

If you would have preferred wilder/breazeale more power to you.

[candyslim]

I wouldn't OTO but that's not the point. If you've eaned your shot you ought to get it and not in 18 month's time, no?

[Onetimeonly]

Fighters earning a shot these days is a needle in a haystack.

[oogiebe]

I wouldn't OTO but that's not the point. If you've eaned your shot you ought to get it and not in 18 month's time, no?

That's my point. Breazeale hardly EARNED a shot. Please.

[candyslim]

No he didn't but that is a separate issue as I said previously. Deserving or not he is the official mandatory challenger for the WBC title, and as such he is entitled to expect the WBC to uphold his status and ensure their champion defends against him within the stipulated time-scale, which should only be extended to allow for a unification.

I don't agree with their nomination of Breazeale as mandatory, but my opinion is irrelevant. I know OTO won't believe me but I'd be saying the same if it were Joshua. It has nothing to do with Wilder and everything to do with the WBC and their champion who just happens to be Wilder.

I have thought (when they stripped Fury) the IBF tend to be a bit too zealous with regard to their mandatory deadlines, but at least their champions know what happens if they don't comply so I can see why they enforce it so stringently. It sure beats the self-serving anarchy presided over by Sulaiman.

[oogiebe]

No he didn't but that is a separate issue as I said previously. Deserving or not he is the official mandatory challenger for the WBC title, and as such he is entitled to expect the WBC to uphold his status and ensure their champion defends against him within the stipulated time-scale, which should only be extended to allow for a unification.

I don't agree with their nomination of Breazeale as mandatory, but my opinion is irrelevant. I know OTO won't believe me but I'd be saying the same if it were Joshua. It has nothing to do with Wilder and everything to do with the WBC and their champion who just happens to be Wilder.

I have thought (when they stripped Fury) the IBF tend to be a bit too zealous with regard to their mandatory deadlines, but at least their champions know what happens if they don't comply so I can see why they enforce it so stringently. It sure beats the self-serving anarchy presided over by Sulaiman.

With regards to sticking to a ruling I am 100% in agreement. I look at it as a boxing fan rather then a rule follower, especially as the rules are bent and circumvented by the very sanctioning body that initiates them. Sulaiman is as bad or worse than his father was before him.

[candyslim]

I am first and foremost a boxing fan and not a person who follows rules with blind obedience however stupid they may be.

I have given a little thought to this system of mandatory and voluntary title defences and I think it's a good system which does much to enhance the sport for both the participants and the fans ... provided of course it is properly regulated and enforced without fear or favour.

Anarchy is not helpful and neither is allowing the corrupt to alter and apply the rules to suit their own agenda.

[oogiebe]

I am first and foremost a boxing fan and not a person who follows rules with blind obedience however stupid they may be.

I have given a little thought to this system of mandatory and voluntary title defences and I think it's a good system which does much to enhance the sport for both the participants and the fans ... provided of course it is properly regulated and enforced without fear or favour.

Anarchy is not helpful and neither is allowing the corrupt to alter and apply the rules to suit their own agenda.

Of course you are first and foremost a fan! Anyone can tell by your thoughtful and well schooled posts. On the surface the mandatory system of title defending is proper. The problem is the seemingly ridiculous and uneven methods employed by the sanctioning bodies. Whyte, for instance, seems to me to have more than earned another title shot, but he now has to fight and defeat Chisora. Breazeale, on the other hand, has done practically nothing to earn a shot. Even being dropped by BoxRec rankings for inactivity. This is the part all of us can do without. Post on my friend!

[candyslim]

Thank you for your kind words Oogie. We are in complete agreement regarding Whyte being deserving of the status which was gifted to Breazeale. I think we have to accept that ship has sailed and just hope that this sorry state of affairs isn't compounded by further injustices.

Was that a pink elephant I just saw fly past my window?

[oogiebe]

Thank you for your kind words Oogie. We are in complete agreement regarding Whyte being deserving of the status which was gifted to Breazeale. I think we have to accept that ship has sailed and just hope that this sorry state of affairs isn't compounded by further injustices.

Was that a pink elephant I just saw fly past my window?

Yes, and he's the mandatory for WBO.

[candyslim]

No not Jarrell Miller I distinctly saw pink

[oogiebe]

No not Jarrell Miller I distinctly saw pink

LMAO! Ok, I'm tearing!!!