GGG: an all time middleweight great?

[oogiebe]

Your insults don't enhance your empty points.

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

The Russian contingent on this site have officially killed any interest in worthy conversations. You all think that Povetkin is still the greatest boxer in the world and Usyk is the greatest to ever lace them up even though the F’ng guy has ONLY had 16 fights as a pro.

DO YOU ALL EVEN NOTICE HOW RIDICULOUS AND PATHETIC THAT IS? It’s disrespectful to every boxer that humped it out for full careers and years of battles. This is why you idiots just need to go. Go the F back to wherever you were and talk idiotic with each other.

Newsflash!! I don’t care who you beat. A boxer with only 16 fights doesn’t qualify for a best ever conversation so go fist each other and let us have our site back because believe it or not, we used to have some great communication before u dikheads ended up finally getting cable in ur village.

Ok, that was a funny post! LMAO! Thanks Caldo!

[ewenhay]

...Harry Greb, La Motta, prime Calzaghe, McClellan, and most probably also Randy Turpin... Figure out Young Corbett III... Alright??

You should probably stop if you think prime calzaghe or Jones were at middleweight.

Look, neither of them was half-bad at middleweight: you might not follow history that much slavishly, and try to contextualise: both Calzaghe and RJJ had the features to make both great middleweights, and supermiddleweights.

GGG has never met (and beat) anyone quite like Mr. Hopkins, in his fair career. That's elementary enough, even basic.

Alright, Calzaghe was not exactly what we call a middleweight, and he might have struggled a little more to be one, but if he had eaten like a monk, instead of stuffing himself with his father's casu marzu and ceadas arguably, he would've made one hell of a middleweight, tall and powerful like no one.

History's not made by ifs and buts, and if my grampa had three balls, he would've been a pinball; but...

...If Canelo could move up from his natural superwelterweight environment, to middleweight, just to face Golovkin, GGG might have grown a pair of balls down there, and moved up to face Calzaghe, which, being nevertheless a better p4p fighter than the Soviet-born, would have beaten the poop out of GGG any day: let's put it this way, if you like more.

You can't rank Calzaghe at middleweight just because you think he could have boiled down to that weight. His entire championship years were at super middle before a couple of pay days at light heavy at the end.

[Cent0089]

Your insults don't enhance your empty points.

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

The Russian contingent on this site have officially killed any interest in worthy conversations. You all think that Povetkin is still the greatest boxer in the world and Usyk is the greatest to ever lace them up even though the F’ng guy has ONLY had 16 fights as a pro.

DO YOU ALL EVEN NOTICE HOW RIDICULOUS AND PATHETIC THAT IS? It’s disrespectful to every boxer that humped it out for full careers and years of battles. This is why you idiots just need to go. Go the F back to wherever you were and talk idiotic with each other.

Newsflash!! I don’t care who you beat. A boxer with only 16 fights doesn’t qualify for a best ever conversation so go fist each other and let us have our site back because believe it or not, we used to have some great communication before u dikheads ended up finally getting cable in ur village.

Huh i got cable in my eastern euro village few years ago, you are right. Too, IMO Usyk is top cruiser of today and fighter of year 2018. Too IMO GGG is amongst top 10 middleweights of all time. I am watching and training boxing for more than 10 years. But i did not know until today that i am dikhead, only have idiotic conversations and need to go fist someone. Thank you for clear me up this. I cannot even imagine how great communication was here when you were involved. Normally i am not used to reply to this kind of posts but i cannot help myself . Sorry for my poor english, we have not learn that in school, because we are so primitive dikheads here . Btw ive had good times reading boxrec posts. People here posts good opinions on fights and fighters many times.

[ewenhay]

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

The Russian contingent on this site have officially killed any interest in worthy conversations. You all think that Povetkin is still the greatest boxer in the world and Usyk is the greatest to ever lace them up even though the F’ng guy has ONLY had 16 fights as a pro.

DO YOU ALL EVEN NOTICE HOW RIDICULOUS AND PATHETIC THAT IS? It’s disrespectful to every boxer that humped it out for full careers and years of battles. This is why you idiots just need to go. Go the F back to wherever you were and talk idiotic with each other.

Newsflash!! I don’t care who you beat. A boxer with only 16 fights doesn’t qualify for a best ever conversation so go fist each other and let us have our site back because believe it or not, we used to have some great communication before u dikheads ended up finally getting cable in ur village.

Huh i got cable in my eastern euro village few years ago, you are right. Too, IMO Usyk is top cruiser of today and fighter of year 2018. Too IMO GGG is amongst top 10 middleweights of all time. I am watching and training boxing for more than 10 years. But i did not know until today that i am dikhead, only have idiotic conversations and need to go fist someone. Thank you for clear me up this. I cannot even imagine how great communication was here when you were involved. Normally i am not used to reply to this kind of posts but i cannot help myself . Sorry for my poor english, we have not learn that in school, because we are so primitive dikheads here . Btw ive had good times reading boxrec posts. People here posts good opinions on fights and fighters many times.

Lol. Superb post.

[boxing_rocks]

Jermain Taylor in no way ranks as better than Golovkin. Canelo doesn't either seeing as how he deserved to lose both bouts with GGG.

McClellan you mentioned in another post had too short of a run at Middleweight to be better, he had the potential to be possibly, but that potential was tragically cut short as we all know. Pavlik and Paul Williams? Nah. Williams never even won a Middleweight title for f*cks sake. Pavlik made 1 successful title defense, and then lost his belt. It's ridiculous to rank any of the guys I've mentioned ahead of Golovkin by any standard.

I can agree with Hagler and possibly Monzon. Bernard's MW record is very comparable with Golovkin's, and I am sure prime Golovkin would handle Hopkins in the ring. Comparing the others from that list with Golovkin is laughable.

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

[gilgamesh]

I can agree with Hagler and possibly Monzon. Bernard's MW record is very comparable with Golovkin's, and I am sure prime Golovkin would handle Hopkins in the ring. Comparing the others from that list with Golovkin is laughable.

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins who beat better fighters than Golovkin ever did, and has more in his arsenal than Golovkin. Isn't easy to knock out, and isn't easy to hit clean. That Hopkins.

[oogiebe]

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins who beat better fighters than Golovkin ever did, and has more in his arsenal than Golovkin. Isn't easy to knock out, and isn't easy to hit clean. That Hopkins.

No doubt in my mind. 100%.

[boxing_rocks]

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins who beat better fighters than Golovkin ever did, and has more in his arsenal than Golovkin. Isn't easy to knock out, and isn't easy to hit clean. That Hopkins.

May I ask what fighters better than Jacobs or Canelo did Hopkins beat?

[gilgamesh]

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins who beat better fighters than Golovkin ever did, and has more in his arsenal than Golovkin. Isn't easy to knock out, and isn't easy to hit clean. That Hopkins.

May I ask what fighters better than Jacobs or Canelo did Hopkins beat?

Felix Trinidad, Kelly Pavlik, Jean Pascal 2x, Antonio Tarver

Most of those weren't at Middleweight I'll grant you, but there were lots of other guys that were on an even level of Jacobs in my opinion like Joppy or Eastman. He handed Glen Johnson his first loss too.

Hopkins has a much better resume than Golovkin, and this is coming from a guy who's a much bigger fan of Golovkin than he is Hopkins, but facts is facts.

[Jacopodb]

You should probably stop if you think prime calzaghe or Jones were at middleweight.

Look, neither of them was half-bad at middleweight: you might not follow history that much slavishly, and try to contextualise: both Calzaghe and RJJ had the features to make both great middleweights, and supermiddleweights.

GGG has never met (and beat) anyone quite like Mr. Hopkins, in his fair career. That's elementary enough, even basic.

Alright, Calzaghe was not exactly what we call a middleweight, and he might have struggled a little more to be one, but if he had eaten like a monk, instead of stuffing himself with his father's casu marzu and ceadas arguably, he would've made one hell of a middleweight, tall and powerful like no one.

History's not made by ifs and buts, and if my grampa had three balls, he would've been a pinball; but...

...If Canelo could move up from his natural superwelterweight environment, to middleweight, just to face Golovkin, GGG might have grown a pair of balls down there, and moved up to face Calzaghe, which, being nevertheless a better p4p fighter than the Soviet-born, would have beaten the poop out of GGG any day: let's put it this way, if you like more.

You can't rank Calzaghe at middleweight just because you think he could have boiled down to that weight. His entire championship years were at super middle before a couple of pay days at light heavy at the end.

Alright I'll give you that. I was a little edgy.

GGG never moved up in weight, as far as I know. Never a catchweight... It's not so common among champions. Maybe just Hagler, Monzon and a few others, but Hagler and Monzon had one hell of a competition, while GGG had a pretty cozy career, punctually losing as soon as he abandoned his comfort zone.

Don't you dare to sand down my testicles like a true GGG nuthugger with the fairytale that "GGG didn't lose the Canelo fight": Canelo schooled him.

Canelo's a superb powerpuncher, GGG's a robotic, intricate, rather dangerous guy who never gave Canelo more than a few concerns.
Golovkin might have hit him hard, but Canelo hit him flush.

There's a thin red line between a dangerous fighter and an all-timer, and GGG didn't cross that line, remaining in his comfort-zone.
The guy's not an underachiever, but he couldn't benefit from great opposition, apart from Canelo.
No matter what those caryatids of the IBHOF (who inducted Teddy Atlas...)* and their political or elsebound connections will say.

*Errata Corrige: I thought that Teddy Atlas was inducted as a trainer (now that would be awkward enough), not as an observer. Sorry, I eat my own words.

[ewenhay]

Look, neither of them was half-bad at middleweight: you might not follow history that much slavishly, and try to contextualise: both Calzaghe and RJJ had the features to make both great middleweights, and supermiddleweights.

GGG has never met (and beat) anyone quite like Mr. Hopkins, in his fair career. That's elementary enough, even basic.

Alright, Calzaghe was not exactly what we call a middleweight, and he might have struggled a little more to be one, but if he had eaten like a monk, instead of stuffing himself with his father's casu marzu and ceadas arguably, he would've made one hell of a middleweight, tall and powerful like no one.

History's not made by ifs and buts, and if my grampa had three balls, he would've been a pinball; but...

...If Canelo could move up from his natural superwelterweight environment, to middleweight, just to face Golovkin, GGG might have grown a pair of balls down there, and moved up to face Calzaghe, which, being nevertheless a better p4p fighter than the Soviet-born, would have beaten the poop out of GGG any day: let's put it this way, if you like more.

You can't rank Calzaghe at middleweight just because you think he could have boiled down to that weight. His entire championship years were at super middle before a couple of pay days at light heavy at the end.

Alright I'll give you that. I was a little edgy.

GGG never moved up in weight, as far as I know. Never a catchweight... It's not so common among champions. Maybe just Hagler, Monzon and a few others, but Hagler and Monzon had one hell of a competition, while GGG had a pretty cozy career, punctually losing as soon as he abandoned his comfort zone.

Don't you dare to sand down my testicles like a true GGG nuthugger with the fairytale that "GGG didn't lose the Canelo fight": Canelo schooled him.

Canelo's a superb powerpuncher, GGG's a robotic, intricate, rather dangerous guy who never gave Canelo more than a few concerns.
Golovkin might have hit him hard, but Canelo hit him flush.

There's a thin red line between a dangerous fighter and an all-timer, and GGG didn't cross that line, remaining in his comfort-zone.
The guy's not an underachiever, but he couldn't benefit from great opposition, apart from Canelo.
No matter what those caryatids of the IBHOF (who inducted Teddy Atlas...) and their political or elsebound connections will say.

You've got the wrong guy. I thought Alvarez edged the second fight. I thought Golovkin won the first fight.

I'm no fan of either guy really.

[Cent0089]

Im fan of both and think the same. GGG won first fight and Alvarez edged the second.

[boxing_rocks]

Hopkins who beat better fighters than Golovkin ever did, and has more in his arsenal than Golovkin. Isn't easy to knock out, and isn't easy to hit clean. That Hopkins.

May I ask what fighters better than Jacobs or Canelo did Hopkins beat?

Felix Trinidad, Kelly Pavlik, Jean Pascal 2x, Antonio Tarver

Most of those weren't at Middleweight I'll grant you, but there were lots of other guys that were on an even level of Jacobs in my opinion like Joppy or Eastman. He handed Glen Johnson his first loss too.

Hopkins has a much better resume than Golovkin, and this is coming from a guy who's a much bigger fan of Golovkin than he is Hopkins, but facts is facts.

Pascal and Tarver weren't at MW. Trinidad was a WW moving to MW, and he wasn't better than Canelo. Pavlik is worse than Jacobs and Canelo.

Bernard's resume at 160 is no better than Golovkin's.

[gilgamesh]

May I ask what fighters better than Jacobs or Canelo did Hopkins beat?

Felix Trinidad, Kelly Pavlik, Jean Pascal 2x, Antonio Tarver

Most of those weren't at Middleweight I'll grant you, but there were lots of other guys that were on an even level of Jacobs in my opinion like Joppy or Eastman. He handed Glen Johnson his first loss too.

Hopkins has a much better resume than Golovkin, and this is coming from a guy who's a much bigger fan of Golovkin than he is Hopkins, but facts is facts.

Pascal and Tarver weren't at MW. Trinidad was a WW moving to MW, and he wasn't better than Canelo. Pavlik is worse than Jacobs and Canelo.

Bernard's resume at 160 is no better than Golovkin's.

Tito was P4P #1 going into the Hopkins fight. He was as good if not better than Canelo. I'd say better. Pavlik is at least on par with Jacobs, not sure if he's better than Canelo.

[Blodhemn]

Some wacky assed opinions in this thread since I last viewed. Thought the worst of it was over but I was mistaken. Hagler limited? GGG ranked below fighters X, Y and Z, even to someone he clearly beat or to fighters who never fought at the weight. Amazing, really.

[caldo2025]

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

The Russian contingent on this site have officially killed any interest in worthy conversations. You all think that Povetkin is still the greatest boxer in the world and Usyk is the greatest to ever lace them up even though the F’ng guy has ONLY had 16 fights as a pro.

DO YOU ALL EVEN NOTICE HOW RIDICULOUS AND PATHETIC THAT IS? It’s disrespectful to every boxer that humped it out for full careers and years of battles. This is why you idiots just need to go. Go the F back to wherever you were and talk idiotic with each other.

Newsflash!! I don’t care who you beat. A boxer with only 16 fights doesn’t qualify for a best ever conversation so go fist each other and let us have our site back because believe it or not, we used to have some great communication before u dikheads ended up finally getting cable in ur village.

Huh i got cable in my eastern euro village few years ago, you are right. Too, IMO Usyk is top cruiser of today and fighter of year 2018. Too IMO GGG is amongst top 10 middleweights of all time. I am watching and training boxing for more than 10 years. But i did not know until today that i am dikhead, only have idiotic conversations and need to go fist someone. Thank you for clear me up this. I cannot even imagine how great communication was here when you were involved. Normally i am not used to reply to this kind of posts but i cannot help myself . Sorry for my poor english, we have not learn that in school, because we are so primitive dikheads here . Btw ive had good times reading boxrec posts. People here posts good opinions on fights and fighters many times.

Super. Another guy claiming to be the Angelo Dundee of his village gets internet access and demands that his opinions carries more weight because he "teaches" boxing (it's a Spin class be honest).. Just what we needed.

AND...stop apologizing for your English. It's better than mine and i've lived in America all of my life.

It's completely rational to have the opinion that Usyk wins FOY. It's completely irrational to say that Usyk is the greatest ever and could have beaten Ali and Frazier on the same night. That's the opinion of the rest of your brothers that just got the internet too over there. There's a big difference between those two opinions.

[Cent0089]

The Russian contingent on this site have officially killed any interest in worthy conversations. You all think that Povetkin is still the greatest boxer in the world and Usyk is the greatest to ever lace them up even though the F’ng guy has ONLY had 16 fights as a pro.

DO YOU ALL EVEN NOTICE HOW RIDICULOUS AND PATHETIC THAT IS? It’s disrespectful to every boxer that humped it out for full careers and years of battles. This is why you idiots just need to go. Go the F back to wherever you were and talk idiotic with each other.

Newsflash!! I don’t care who you beat. A boxer with only 16 fights doesn’t qualify for a best ever conversation so go fist each other and let us have our site back because believe it or not, we used to have some great communication before u dikheads ended up finally getting cable in ur village.

Huh i got cable in my eastern euro village few years ago, you are right. Too, IMO Usyk is top cruiser of today and fighter of year 2018. Too IMO GGG is amongst top 10 middleweights of all time. I am watching and training boxing for more than 10 years. But i did not know until today that i am dikhead, only have idiotic conversations and need to go fist someone. Thank you for clear me up this. I cannot even imagine how great communication was here when you were involved. Normally i am not used to reply to this kind of posts but i cannot help myself . Sorry for my poor english, we have not learn that in school, because we are so primitive dikheads here . Btw ive had good times reading boxrec posts. People here posts good opinions on fights and fighters many times.

Super. Another guy claiming to be the Angelo Dundee of his village gets internet access and demands that his opinions carries more weight because he "teaches" boxing (it's a Spin class be honest).. Just what we needed.

AND...stop apologizing for your English. It's better than mine and i've lived in America all of my life.

It's completely rational to have the opinion that Usyk wins FOY. It's completely irrational to say that Usyk is the greatest ever and could have beaten Ali and Frazier on the same night. That's the opinion of the rest of your brothers that just got the internet too over there. There's a big difference between those two opinions.

You did not understand me i am not teaching boxing, i am doing boxing myself i mean :) And ive never ever claimed that my opinion weigh more than opinion of other posters here. And i dont know anyone in real life who claimed Usyk will beat Ali and Frazier. Boy, you are judging people too fast

[caldo2025]

Huh i got cable in my eastern euro village few years ago, you are right. Too, IMO Usyk is top cruiser of today and fighter of year 2018. Too IMO GGG is amongst top 10 middleweights of all time. I am watching and training boxing for more than 10 years. But i did not know until today that i am dikhead, only have idiotic conversations and need to go fist someone. Thank you for clear me up this. I cannot even imagine how great communication was here when you were involved. Normally i am not used to reply to this kind of posts but i cannot help myself . Sorry for my poor english, we have not learn that in school, because we are so primitive dikheads here . Btw ive had good times reading boxrec posts. People here posts good opinions on fights and fighters many times.

Super. Another guy claiming to be the Angelo Dundee of his village gets internet access and demands that his opinions carries more weight because he "teaches" boxing (it's a Spin class be honest).. Just what we needed.

AND...stop apologizing for your English. It's better than mine and i've lived in America all of my life.

It's completely rational to have the opinion that Usyk wins FOY. It's completely irrational to say that Usyk is the greatest ever and could have beaten Ali and Frazier on the same night. That's the opinion of the rest of your brothers that just got the internet too over there. There's a big difference between those two opinions.

You did not understand me i am not teaching boxing, i am doing boxing myself i mean :) And ive never ever claimed that my opinion weigh more than opinion of other posters here. And i dont know anyone in real life who claimed Usyk will beat Ali and Frazier. Boy, you are judging people too fast

Look at how good your English is. Now you’re just showing off! . Merry Christmas

[Jacopodb]

I can agree with Hagler and possibly Monzon. Bernard's MW record is very comparable with Golovkin's, and I am sure prime Golovkin would handle Hopkins in the ring. Comparing the others from that list with Golovkin is laughable.

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins and Taylor, both of which would beat GGG. :)

[Jacopodb]

Some wacky assed opinions in this thread since I last viewed. Thought the worst of it was over but I was mistaken. Hagler limited? GGG ranked below fighters X, Y and Z, even to someone he clearly beat or to fighters who never fought at the weight. Amazing, really.

Alright dude, I'm flawed enough and I somehow pictured Calzaghe (he's not a huge guy, is he?) as a former middleweight: I beg your pardon, but I had corrected myself in a previous post, already. Eat your tongue.

[boxing_rocks]

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins and Taylor, both of which would beat GGG. :)

Taylor would be brutally stopped. Hopkins would have to use all his dirty arsenal and would still be outpunched.

[Jacopodb]

Alright, forget about this...

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Ggg fought two world cLass in their prime fighters.

He fought on even terms with jacobs and out of 24 rounds with canelo legitimately won about 14 of them

His standing will in rely in part by what canelo and Jacobs do with the rest of their careers. Ggg isnt quite done yet either....

[Onetimeonly]

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Hopkins who had to fake unconsciousness to avoid a loss against Allen or Hopkins who was beaten by Taylor twice?

Hopkins and Taylor, both of which would beat GGG. :)

Is that you bad intentions?

[apollo creed]

Ggg fought two world cLass in their prime fighters.

He fought on even terms with jacobs and out of 24 rounds with canelo legitimately won about 14 of them

His standing will in rely in part by what canelo and Jacobs do with the rest of their careers. Ggg isnt quite done yet either....

And we should not forget that GGG was 35 y/o, not 28, 29 or 30! Also I'd like to remind that the level that GGG fought was the very best against Jacobs and Canelo and we all saw in a recent exemple of two hyped fighters(Charlos) who were boxed by -B opponents the big difference between the boxing levels.