The Heavyweight Landscape for AJ, Wilder & Fury for 2019?

Mexi-Box
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jamamb wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 17:02 lmao hooper was just terribly hurt , down twice, and nearly stopped by a nobody who couldnt go past 1 vs buatsi or win a round vs eubank, i would still easily take murat to beat quinlan easier then that and its not clear at all that hooper would beat sven or murat. he barely beat quinlan. strange that you want to rank hooper as some top lhw. you must think eubank jr is some sort of phenom then

ajs power is very very good, hes stopped all but 1 opponent and put down takam too. pretty much everyone, even the best punchers, have someone go the distance or have someone who someone else stopped faster. usyks not unhittable and its a totally different game vs far bigger men who hit far harder and can hit him from further out. aj f@cking flattened povetkin btw even if pov stopped takam harder

aj aint no tony bellew son
Gassiev is one of the hardest punchers at CW. He couldn't even touch Usyk. Joshua is slower and prone to gassing. What the hell is he going to do to Usyk? Usyk has been with some huge punchers, and he's not even been so much as buzzed.

Please, Povetkin was practically getting his AARP benefits. It was not the prime beast that flattened Takam. If it was, he would've taken out AJ when he had him hurt. AJ looked like crap and was almost stopped by a clearly inferior version of Povetkin. We all saw that when he fought Hammer and Price prior.

As I said, I look forward to this fight. I've never seen you put your skin out for a fighter. You always go for the obvious favorites, so I'm not arguing with someone who is good at analyzing fights.
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nah not really, i had warrington beating frampton even though you apparently didnt see that coming at all

gassievs a hard hitting cruiser but not comparable to aj. much smaller , shorter reach, and just way less of a physical pressence, and he did catch usyk once and rock him with a right hand

usyks really good but not good enough to beat aj. he could beat miller
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jamamb wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:48 usyks not beating aj
No he isn't and he's not fighting MIller either.
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oogiebe wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 18:41
jamamb wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:48 usyks not beating aj
No he isn't and he's not fighting MIller either.
I don't see Usyk being the dominant force in the heavyweight division. I easily see him as top 10. But I don't see him dominating
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I'd say, Usyk can be slick enough for Joshua and Wilder, he can outbox them with his speed and movement. His chances of winning will decline in the case of trading shots with Wilder and AJ. But why will he do it? I actually see Fury as a much bigger problem for Usyk, cause Fury has a similar fighting style with advantaging anthropometric characteristics for it.
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DrDuke wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 22:38 I'd say, Usyk can be slick enough for Joshua and Wilder, he can outbox them with his speed and movement. His chances of winning will decline in the case of trading shots with Wilder and AJ. But why will he do it? I actually see Fury as a much bigger problem for Usyk, cause Fury has a similar fighting style with advantaging anthropometric characteristics for it.
I agree that Fury would give Usyk the most trouble from a boxing standpoint. AJ and Wilder, however; have the power to KO Usyk when/if he gets tagged. I'm rather curious as to how that turns out.
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Mexi-Box wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:59
jamamb wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:54 lmao hooper, really :lol: ya omg he really proved everyone wrong by barely surviving the guy iced in 1 by buatsi and battered by eubank :lol:

hey, no one gets them all right, but usyk aint beating aj
He's lasted longer thus far than Murat, the guy you said was substantially better, who just lost to a nobody. As I said, you need to lose that certainty because it blows up in your face so much.

Do you really think AJ is outboxing Usyk? AJ has shown his power isn't incredible when he fights guys that don't stand in front of him. He couldn't stop cold Takam (who Povetkin iced) or Parker. He was also getting beat up and outboxed by old man Povetkin.
Im on that Usyk hype train but he is not beating AJ on points in the UK.
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Pukka Cheese wrote: 26 Dec 2018, 12:45
Mexi-Box wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:59
jamamb wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:54 lmao hooper, really :lol: ya omg he really proved everyone wrong by barely surviving the guy iced in 1 by buatsi and battered by eubank :lol:

hey, no one gets them all right, but usyk aint beating aj
He's lasted longer thus far than Murat, the guy you said was substantially better, who just lost to a nobody. As I said, you need to lose that certainty because it blows up in your face so much.

Do you really think AJ is outboxing Usyk? AJ has shown his power isn't incredible when he fights guys that don't stand in front of him. He couldn't stop cold Takam (who Povetkin iced) or Parker. He was also getting beat up and outboxed by old man Povetkin.
Im on that Usyk hype train but he is not beating AJ on points in the UK.
Not so sure. He's been getting points wins against dudes in their hometown; although, I heard that the judges had Bellew ahead before the stoppage. Maybe something different about UK because Usyk was probably lucky that it didn't go to the cards.
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Mexi-Box wrote: 26 Dec 2018, 16:35
Pukka Cheese wrote: 26 Dec 2018, 12:45
Mexi-Box wrote: 24 Dec 2018, 16:59

He's lasted longer thus far than Murat, the guy you said was substantially better, who just lost to a nobody. As I said, you need to lose that certainty because it blows up in your face so much.

Do you really think AJ is outboxing Usyk? AJ has shown his power isn't incredible when he fights guys that don't stand in front of him. He couldn't stop cold Takam (who Povetkin iced) or Parker. He was also getting beat up and outboxed by old man Povetkin.
Im on that Usyk hype train but he is not beating AJ on points in the UK.
Not so sure. He's been getting points wins against dudes in their hometown; although, I heard that the judges had Bellew ahead before the stoppage. Maybe something different about UK because Usyk was probably lucky that it didn't go to the cards.
Yeah, judges had Bellew: 66-67/67-67/65-68...difficult to believe.
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