GGG: an all time middleweight great?

[Enlightened-One]

Golovkin terminated his contract with Universum in January 2010 and stated the following in an interview: "The reason for this decision is that I've always been placed behind Felix Sturm and Sebastian Zbik by Universum. Our demands to fight against Felix Sturm or Sebastian Zbik have been always rejected on absurd grounds. Universum had no real plan or concept for me, they did not even try to bring my career forward. They would rather try to prevent me from winning a title as long as Sturm and Zbik are champions. Further more, bouts against well-known and interesting opponents were held out in prospect, but nothing happened. This situation was not acceptable. It was time to move forward." from wiki

Actually Loeffler did a very good job to promote GGG. Fighting 2 times and possible for a 3rd time the cash cow of boxing ain't "lack of quality".

Are you saying that K2 has handled GGG’s career marvellously, because Universum did such a bad job of it?

Is that the foundation for your entire argument, really?

[Mexi-Box]

Golovkin terminated his contract with Universum in January 2010 and stated the following in an interview: "The reason for this decision is that I've always been placed behind Felix Sturm and Sebastian Zbik by Universum. Our demands to fight against Felix Sturm or Sebastian Zbik have been always rejected on absurd grounds. Universum had no real plan or concept for me, they did not even try to bring my career forward. They would rather try to prevent me from winning a title as long as Sturm and Zbik are champions. Further more, bouts against well-known and interesting opponents were held out in prospect, but nothing happened. This situation was not acceptable. It was time to move forward." from wiki

Actually Loeffler did a very good job to promote GGG. Fighting 2 times and possible for a 3rd time the cash cow of boxing ain't "lack of quality".

Are you saying that K2 has handled GGG’s career marvellously, because Universum did such a bad job of it?

Is that the foundation for your entire argument, really?

At this point, just come out and say you are flat out bias. You've been destroyed multiple times on this, and you still don't want to admit it. Then you point out the most biased resume account and think it's legit.

I can't tell if you're dumb or seriously dumb.

[apollo creed]

Golovkin terminated his contract with Universum in January 2010 and stated the following in an interview: "The reason for this decision is that I've always been placed behind Felix Sturm and Sebastian Zbik by Universum. Our demands to fight against Felix Sturm or Sebastian Zbik have been always rejected on absurd grounds. Universum had no real plan or concept for me, they did not even try to bring my career forward. They would rather try to prevent me from winning a title as long as Sturm and Zbik are champions. Further more, bouts against well-known and interesting opponents were held out in prospect, but nothing happened. This situation was not acceptable. It was time to move forward." from wiki

Actually Loeffler did a very good job to promote GGG. Fighting 2 times and possible for a 3rd time the cash cow of boxing ain't "lack of quality".

Are you saying that K2 has handled GGG’s career marvellously, because Universum did such a bad job of it?

Is that the foundation for your entire argument, really?

At this point, just come out and say you are flat out bias. You've been destroyed multiple times on this, and you still don't want to admit it. Then you point out the most biased resume account and think it's legit.

I can't tell if you're dumb or seriously dumb.

EO/Fergus is a irrecuperable complete "disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial."

[Ruthless-RKO]

Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

[Ruthless-RKO]

EO/Fergus just blabbering on this thread utterly bs

Imo Loefller did for GGG the best job it could be done in terms of promoting.

TBF, it could have been better. But he’s done well. 2 mega PPV fights. Canelo needed GGG to get over 1m buys just as much.

[apollo creed]

EO/Fergus just blabbering on this thread utterly bs

Imo Loefller did for GGG the best job it could be done in terms of promoting.

TBF, it could have been better. But he’s done well. 2 mega PPV fights. Canelo needed GGG to get over 1m buys just as much.

Knowing that how much GGG was avoided by the other previous champions, fighting two times with Canelo is pretty damn good. It's like Maidana hit the jackpot 2 times vs FMJ. And yes Canelo needed GGG too.

[apollo creed]

Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Yup, pretty much they didn't want to get whooped for lesser money.

[Enlightened-One]

Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

[Boxerbeetle]

Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

[oogiebe]

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

Only two people give a shite about this at this point. But we'll sacrifice an entire thread for it.

[Boxerbeetle]

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

Only two people give a shite about this at this point. But we'll sacrifice an entire thread for it.

This thread was ruined about 11 pages ago

[oogiebe]

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

Only two people give a shite about this at this point. But we'll sacrifice an entire thread for it.

This thread was ruined about 11 pages ago

At least...

[Enlightened-One]

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

Why exactly do you think explicit details of behind-the-scenes business negotiations would be in the public domain?

I don’t need behind the scenes details, all I simply require is confirmation that Loeffler tried to make bouts by submitting financial offers to GGG’s peers.

Going down the mandatory challenger route and expecting the various governing bodies to handle the situation is clearly not the same as Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers to GGG’s peers.

Imagine if Eddie Hearn pretended that he was doing his upmost to make a bout between Joshua and Wilder, by solely going down the route of getting Mauricio Sulaimán to deal with things?

The whole forum would be in a fûckîng uproar!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Out of interest, what fighters did Tom Loeffler submit financial offers to them to face GGG? Is there any evidence to prove that Golovkin’s peers actually “ducked” him due to rejecting K2’s purses?

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Yup, pretty much they didn't want to get whooped for lesser money.

Best part is.. In the end, GGG has made more money then them all put together..

[Enlightened-One]

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Ultimately though, no one can actually prove that Tom Loeffler even attempted to make fights against the majority of GGG’s big name peers by submitting financial offers?

I really don’t know why people are even pretending that what I’ve written is untrue, since no one can prove otherwise.

If GGG’s career would have been handled by the likes of Al Haymon, Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya or Bob Arum, do you not feel that Gennady would have engaged in many more marquee bouts?

Is such a notion so unreasonable to consider?

What has Tom Loeffler achieved to be defended by GGG’s fans so passionately?

[apollo creed]

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

EO/Fergus didn't take his medicine for a while so he's very consistent in addressing his own version of 'factual quaestions'.

[ewenhay]

Can you please provide extracts from the articles you’ve quoted detailing the financial offers submitted to GGG’s peers by Tom Loeffler?

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Ultimately though, no one can actually prove that Tom Loeffler even attempted to make fights against the majority of GGG’s big name peers by submitting financial offers?

I really don’t know why people are even pretending that what I’ve written is untrue, since no one can prove otherwise.

If GGG’s career would have been handled by the likes of Al Haymon, Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya or Bob Arum, do you not feel that Gennady would have engaged in many more marquee bouts?

Is such a notion so unreasonable to consider?

What has Tom Loeffler achieved to be defended by GGG’s fans so passionately?

This is futile.

They can't prove he made an offer and you can't prove he didn't.

This isn't a court of law, you're not Perry Mason and negotiations between boxing managers and promoters aren't matters of public record

[oogiebe]

In those articles, purses weren’t even mentioned. Fighters were saying no to GGG full stop, before any money was discussed. Also GGG was mandatory to Sturm, purse bids would have been ordered no? They knew it was high risk and low reward.

Ultimately though, no one can actually prove that Tom Loeffler even attempted to make fights against the majority of GGG’s big name peers by submitting financial offers?

I really don’t know why people are even pretending that what I’ve written is untrue, since no one can prove otherwise.

If GGG’s career would have been handled by the likes of Al Haymon, Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya or Bob Arum, do you not feel that Gennady would have engaged in many more marquee bouts?

Is such a notion so unreasonable to consider?

What has Tom Loeffler achieved to be defended by GGG’s fans so passionately?

This is futile.

They can't prove he made an offer and you can't prove he didn't.

This isn't a court of law, you're not Perry Mason and negotiations between boxing managers and promoters aren't matters of public record

Your post will be ignored by them. Nice try though! UGH!!!

[apollo creed]

On the previous page I posted some articles from a few years ago. Even before purses were discussed, fighters were just not wanting to fight GGG.

Sturm, N’Dam, Pirog (unfortunately got injured), Geale and a few others. . they’re listed in the articles. There’s probably plenty more from the years 2014-15.

Yup, pretty much they didn't want to get whooped for lesser money.

Best part is.. In the end, GGG has made more money then them all put together..

Yup.

[Enlightened-One]

So, despite a complete lack of evidence, people are insisting on employing the terribly ignorant “god-of-the-gaps” fallacy to formulate an unsubstantiated assertion that Tom Loeffler submitted financial offers to GGG’s peers, which were subsequently declined purely due to “fear”?

Does that mean that we should automatically assume that any opinion based solely on “faith” must be true?

[apollo creed]

^^^^ For EO/Fergus

This is futile.

They can't prove he made an offer and you can't prove he didn't.

This isn't a court of law, you're not Perry Mason and negotiations between boxing managers and promoters aren't matters of public record

[jamamb]

these bruhs need to go play video games or something, i recommend skyrim, if thats too 2011 for you then they just released another red dead redemption

[Enlightened-One]

these bruhs need to go play video games or something, i recommend skyrim, if thats too 2011 for you then they just released another red dead redemption

Red Dead Redemption 2 is pretty good!

[jamamb]

these bruhs need to go play video games or something, i recommend skyrim, if thats too 2011 for you then they just released another red dead redemption

Red Dead Redemption 2 is pretty good!

buying it this week mate, cant wait