Usyk: Number 2 Heavyweight in the world.

[oogiebe]

According to BoxRec, if Usyk were to move to HW tomorrow, his points would be converted x.58. That would make him the number two ranked heavyweight behind AJ. Do you agree? Why? I certainly do not.

[JCS]

#4 feels better but I'm probably biased due to the physical size of #2 and #3... the math is the math...

[tiny_acres]

Until he moves up and defeats a top 10 heavyweight I'm not convinced.
Numbers thrown into a computer don't equate to the vision test.

[oogiebe]

Until he moves up and defeats a top 10 heavyweight I'm not convinced.
Numbers thrown into a computer don't equate to the vision test.

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Yet that is what will occur here on BoxRec.

[tiny_acres]

Until he moves up and defeats a top 10 heavyweight I'm not convinced.
Numbers thrown into a computer don't equate to the vision test.

x2
Yet that is what will occur here on BoxRec.

No difference then when Bellew moved up.
And this place went into hysteria over it

[oogiebe]

Until he moves up and defeats a top 10 heavyweight I'm not convinced.
Numbers thrown into a computer don't equate to the vision test.

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Yet that is what will occur here on BoxRec.

No difference then when Bellew moved up.
And this place went into hysteria over it

I asked how Marco Huck was so high up in the HW rankings and I was told (IT's a thread) that because of his converted CW points. Seriously? So if GGG moves up to HW, where will his ranking be? LMAO! Math is great, but sometimes you need personnel on it to clean up the little shvts it may cause!

[JCS]

Seriously? So if GGG moves up to HW, where will his ranking be?

It's a good question.. Certainly, he could come in at 175lb and beat some Heavyweights... I think an actual answer, is approx. ~250 points. Seems a wee bit high.

Probably not as bad as Wisaksil Wangek moving to HW in at #15 or Luis Nery at #12.

The "math" has to have a default placement... you can't expect manual efforts for everytime a boxer moves divisions.

[KiwiRider]

In reality, a solid #4 as I think he beats Whyte right out of the gate.
Whatever his boxrec ranking, it's rightfully earned until he is beaten.

[oogiebe]

In reality, a solid #4 as I think he beats Whyte right out of the gate.
Whatever his boxrec ranking, it's rightfully earned until he is beaten.

I can see that, yes.

[ewenhay]

In reality, a solid #4 as I think he beats Whyte right out of the gate.
Whatever his boxrec ranking, it's rightfully earned until he is beaten.

Not really. The boxrec point system is flawed and based on algorithms and generally means very little.

His real ranking will be earned in the ring.

[gilgamesh]

He's not #anything until he actually fights in that weight class.

[oogiebe]

He's not #anything until he actually fights in that weight class.

Go see the Marco Huck thread. BoxRec converts the points from CW as soon as Huck had one HW fight, so you are right, but really?

[gilgamesh]

He's not #anything until he actually fights in that weight class.

Go see the Marco Huck thread. BoxRec converts the points from CW as soon as Huck had one HW fight, so you are right, but really?

I wouldn't rank him #2 straight away, but he'd be at worst #8 or 9 straight away just based on what he's already accomplished. Would depend on the level of opponent he beats in his first foray into the division. I wouldn't rank him ahead of Luis Ortiz and Dillian Whyte without putting some solid wins under his belt in the division first. Which given his tendency to chase the big fights I don't doubt he would do in short order.

[JCS]

He's not #anything until he actually fights in that weight class.

Go see the Marco Huck thread. BoxRec converts the points from CW as soon as Huck had one HW fight, so you are right, but really?

The conversion is the same, regardless of whether the boxer fights there yet or not... it is at the editors' discretion to actually assign the boxer to a new division before a fight in that division... and have the rating system do the overnight calc.

[Mexi-Box]

Yeah, it's a deserved ranking. Hunter, Bellew, Huck, and Briedis have all fought at that weight class. One of those points where it makes sense to have Usyk ranked high in his move up. If Wilder were to fight all 4 of these guys, he'd be the second coming.

He's destined to clean out the HW division so just stop struggling with this fact.

[Mexi-Box]

He's not #anything until he actually fights in that weight class.

He's beat guys that have fought at that weight class and done really, really well. He's the #2 HW in the world if he moves up tomorrow.

[oogiebe]

He's not #anything until he actually fights in that weight class.

He's beat guys that have fought at that weight class and done really, really well. He's the #2 HW in the world if he moves up tomorrow.

Magic Mushroom time! YAY!

[greg]

...rating Usyk right away as second best HW is so conspicuously wrong that maybe one should reconsider the algorithm

[oogiebe]

...rating Usyk right away as second best HW is so conspicuously wrong that maybe one should reconsider the algorithm

You think?

[JCS]

I'm sure you guys will have fun with this..

So if all boxers moved up to Heavyweight on Boxrec, here's your Top 10 by points:

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Oleksandr Usyk
3 Saul Alvarez
4 Deontay Wilder
5 Tyson Fury
6 Gennady Golovkin
7 Terence Crawford
8 Eleider Alvarez
9 Alexander Povetkin
10 Mairis Briedis

[oogiebe]

I'm sure you guys will have fun with this..

So if all boxers moved up to Heavyweight on Boxrec, here's your Top 10 by points:

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Oleksandr Usyk
3 Saul Alvarez
4 Deontay Wilder
5 Tyson Fury
6 Gennady Golovkin
7 Terence Crawford
8 Eleider Alvarez
9 Alexander Povetkin
10 Mairis Briedis

...ouch...!

[JCS]

I'm sure you guys will have fun with this..

So if all boxers moved up to Heavyweight on Boxrec, here's your Top 10 by points:

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Oleksandr Usyk
3 Saul Alvarez
4 Deontay Wilder
5 Tyson Fury
6 Gennady Golovkin
7 Terence Crawford
8 Eleider Alvarez
9 Alexander Povetkin
10 Mairis Briedis

...ouch...!

I guess we'll never know.

I'm curious if these type of freak shows ever happened in boxing.. will need to do some research to get some bearing for comparison.

Here's the top 25...

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669	Anthony Joshua
488	Oleksandr Usyk
323	Saul Alvarez
319	Deontay Wilder
278	Tyson Fury
250	Gennady Golovkin
245	Terence Crawford
243	Eleider Alvarez
229	Alexander Povetkin
227	Mairis Briedis
226	Callum Smith
225	Dillian Whyte
224	Oleksandr Gvozdyk
197	Jarrell Miller
176	Kubrat Pulev
160	Luis Ortiz
158	Badou Jack
155	Dmitry Bivol
151	Vasiliy Lomachenko
134	Krzysztof Glowacki
134	Manny Pacquiao
131	Errol Spence Jr
130	Murat Gassiev
125	Dominic Breazeale
123	Shawn Porter

Fun match-ups in there..

[Lackeos]

Saul Alvarez over Tyson Fury and Vasiliy Lomachenko over Krzysztof Glowacki. Somehow I doubt it would pan out like that.

I'd like to see Usyk fight a top 8 heavyweight before he is granted with an automatic top 3 ranking (by the community, not the computerized rankings). It even feels weird giving Usyk a #4 ranking when he hasn't fought one of the top 8 240+ pounders like Ortiz, Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, and Miller. How can you be sure that there aren't extraordinary disparities in power and toughness that would overwhelm Usyk's theoretical skill advantage? And Povetkin has 2 world amateur gold medals; it's not like he doesn't know how to use his hands.

[oogiebe]

I'm sure you guys will have fun with this..

So if all boxers moved up to Heavyweight on Boxrec, here's your Top 10 by points:

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Oleksandr Usyk
3 Saul Alvarez
4 Deontay Wilder
5 Tyson Fury
6 Gennady Golovkin
7 Terence Crawford
8 Eleider Alvarez
9 Alexander Povetkin
10 Mairis Briedis

...ouch...!

I guess we'll never know.

I'm curious if these type of freak shows ever happened in boxing.. will need to do some research to get some bearing for comparison.

Here's the top 25...

Code: Select all

669	Anthony Joshua
488	Oleksandr Usyk
323	Saul Alvarez
319	Deontay Wilder
278	Tyson Fury
250	Gennady Golovkin
245	Terence Crawford
243	Eleider Alvarez
229	Alexander Povetkin
227	Mairis Briedis
226	Callum Smith
225	Dillian Whyte
224	Oleksandr Gvozdyk
197	Jarrell Miller
176	Kubrat Pulev
160	Luis Ortiz
158	Badou Jack
155	Dmitry Bivol
151	Vasiliy Lomachenko
134	Krzysztof Glowacki
134	Manny Pacquiao
131	Errol Spence Jr
130	Murat Gassiev
125	Dominic Breazeale
123	Shawn Porter

Fun match-ups in there..

We sort of had one with FMJ's last debacle. Like a grown man v. a second grader. At least Tenshin isn't rated on BoxRec. Or maybe he is now!

[oogiebe]

Saul Alvarez over Tyson Fury and Vasiliy Lomachenko over Krzysztof Glowacki. Somehow I doubt it would pan out like that.

I'd like to see Usyk fight a top 8 heavyweight before he is granted with an automatic top 3 ranking (by the community, not the computerized rankings). It even feels weird giving Usyk a #4 ranking when he hasn't fought one of the top 8 240+ pounders like Ortiz, Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, and Miller.

Agreed. For the umpteenth time...