Who could have KO'd Marciano

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » 15 May 2006, 19:09

Does anyone here think that Fighters like Earnie Shavers,Mike Tyson,George Foreman,Sonny Liston etc..could have knocked out the"Brockton Blockbuster.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 15 May 2006, 19:27

I believe any of those four have the punch neccesary to K.O. Rocky. Whether they get the homerun shot in depends on Rockys defense. But I also believe that those four have the ability to knockout anyone.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 16 May 2006, 01:16

not sure if anyone could keep him down for 10. Certianly Foreman or Tyson had a decent shot, but even then I think they would see the Rock continuesly rise to his feet.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 16 May 2006, 01:42

I always thought that Liston & Foreman would have the best shout.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 16 May 2006, 01:45

Louis, Patterson, Lewis, Holmes, Liston, Bowe, Foreman.

I would imagine those guys having the best shot. :P

barry · Post by **barry** » 16 May 2006, 01:48

I could see Louis, Foreman, Tyson and maybe Liston possibly knocking out Marciano, but that would be about it. Tyson had the best chance simply because of his combination of speed and power...it doesn't matter if he had fizzled out in two years...Tyson at his very best was an absolute monster and a viscious knockout artist...it would have took the best that Marciano had to last with Tyson at his best, but if anyone could last...Marciano could! Riddick Bowe at his very best would have been hard to deal with also!

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 16 May 2006, 04:18

I'm not going to be popular after this but IMO anyone canbbe knocked out for 10 Marciano, Ali, Hagler, it doesn't matter. If they got caught right or often enough they'd go.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 16 May 2006, 04:28

Ezzard wrote:I'm not going to be popular after this but IMO anyone canbbe knocked out for 10 Marciano, Ali, Hagler, it doesn't matter. If they got caught right or often enough they'd go.

this is true.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 16 May 2006, 04:37

I don't think that Shavers had the puch power, I could see Marciano beating him. Tyson did tire too easily, so that wasn't gonna happen, I think Rocky would beat Liston...

I THINK GEORGE FOREMAN had the best chance to KO Marciano...

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 16 May 2006, 04:41

Crease wrote:I don't think that Shavers had the puch power, I could see Marciano beating him. Tyson did tire too easily, so that wasn't gonna happen, I think Rocky would beat Liston...

I THINK GEORGE FOREMAN had the best chance to KO Marciano...

dont most agree that Shavers had the best punch power of all? Not sying Marciano couldnt beat him, but his punching power in unmatched.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 16 May 2006, 05:22

I would fancy Liston and Foreman to KO Rocky, and probably Lewis. After that possibles would include Dempsey, Tyson and Frazier

barry · Post by **barry** » 16 May 2006, 05:41

>>>I'm not going to be popular after this but IMO anyone canbbe knocked out for 10 Marciano, Ali, Hagler, it doesn't matter. If they got caught right or often enough they'd go<<<

Too true! There have been many, many fighters of the past who were thought to have had too good of a chin to be knocked out, but in every instance a perfectly placed punch has proven otherwise. One of recent memory that comes to my mind was Simon Brown. Brown was considered to be damn near indestructible until Vincent Pettway caught him with an absolute beauty of a left hook which knocked Brown out as cold as any fighter I have ever seen! Gene Fullmer is another good example…as tough as they come with an out standing chin yet Sugar Ray dropped in one of the prettiest left hooks in history and out went Fullmer. Dick Tiger is another...a victim of Bob Foster. Any fight, any…can be knocked out with the right punch!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 16 May 2006, 06:25

I'd say Frazier could have koed Marciano as well... any fighter with the ability to force Rocky back and take his punches would have had a chance against him... Ali would probably have cut Rocky up and stopped him late...

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 16 May 2006, 06:37

i woulda say that tyson, frazier and liston woulda all knocked out Marciano... i even felt Charles coulda knocked him out in his prime..but we may not all agree with that now will we!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 16 May 2006, 07:06

Migz wrote:i woulda say that tyson, frazier and liston woulda all knocked out Marciano... i even felt Charles coulda knocked him out in his prime..but we may not all agree with that now will we!

I think Rocky would have had too much heart for Tyson...

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 16 May 2006, 07:44

^hmmm yer maybe.. but Tyson was a devistating puncher and actually possessed boxing skills unlike Marciano.... i think Tyson woulda been to much for MArciano but its something i have to think about

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 16 May 2006, 08:16

Migz wrote:^hmmm yer maybe.. but Tyson was a devistating puncher and actually possessed boxing skills unlike Marciano.... i think Tyson woulda been to much for MArciano but its something i have to think about

If Marciano could get past the first 3 rounds then I see him breaking up an increasingly frustrated Tyson and stopping him...

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 16 May 2006, 10:57

silkov wrote:
Migz wrote:^hmmm yer maybe.. but Tyson was a devistating puncher and actually possessed boxing skills unlike Marciano.... i think Tyson woulda been to much for MArciano but its something i have to think about
If Marciano could get past the first 3 rounds then I see him breaking up an increasingly frustrated Tyson and stopping him...

Tyson fought at 222 .. Marciano at 185.. its 37 pound difference! man so much smaller wiith no particular reach or skill would have been gone in 1. .. but Commaan .. Tyson had excelent conditioning and workrate in his prime all 12 rounds. He could have beaten Rocky with only reach advantage and his jab.

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 16 May 2006, 23:10

Taylor wrote:Does anyone here think that Fighters like Earnie Shavers,Mike Tyson,George Foreman,Sonny Liston etc..could have knocked out the"Brockton Blockbuster.

KO? Doubtful. TKO? Yes. But, like Joe Frazier, I think Rocky would always find a way to get his burly legs back under him before the ref hit 10. The ref would have to stop it cuz Rocky would never quit.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 May 2006, 23:12

. i even felt Charles coulda knocked him out in his prime..but we may not all agree with that now will we!

u can make a case that charles would beat him, but charles knocking rocky out is quite ridiculous.

charles still had all his power when he faced rocky, and in 23 rounds was unable to stagger rocky let alone floor him.

charles may decision rock at his best, but to say he would knock rocky out is quite laughable

tyson, louis, foreman, liston all could knock rocky out........

but the real question is would they

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 May 2006, 23:15

Migz wrote:^hmmm yer maybe.. but Tyson was a devistating puncher and actually possessed boxing skills unlike Marciano.... i think Tyson woulda been to much for MArciano but its something i have to think about

marciano more than made up for lack of boxing skills with incredible brute strength, ackwardness that made him hard to hit cleanly, inside fighting, and power

marciano was a technician in his own way. if he wasnt, he would have never been able to beat master boxers liek moore, charles , walcott

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 May 2006, 23:15

I'd say Frazier could have koed Marciano as well... any fighter with the ability to force Rocky back and take his punches would have had a chance against him..

frazier would not be able to take rockys punches though. i cant see frazier knocking out marciano, since he didnt have that deadly two fisted assault.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 May 2006, 23:22

the thing with marciano is we never seen him tested by a big elite puncher during his career like holyfield, chuvalo, etc did so we dont know if rocky can take there punches . but then again, nothing as shown us on film that rocky wouldnt be able to take there punches.

my question to boxrec is.............wut does everyone think about the fact we have never seen rocky badly hurt, stumbling around on rubber legs or out on his feet on film? i mean seriousely, has anyone ever seen rocky badly hurt on film? even the walcott moore knockdowns were flash KD's with rocky up at 2 on steady legs .

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 17 May 2006, 04:23

Marciano was said to have 'ran' EVERYDAY rain or shine, holidays or not while he was at the top, his legs certainly show it. He was also supposed to have used a 300lb 'heavy-bag', the point is Rocky was not a classy boxer, rather a crude fighter and he/everyone knew it.

He trained for strength, endurance and power and there have been lots of examples of fighters you could beat on all day and they just 'don't' stop coming at you. Rocky was one of these fighters, although his 'strength, powerful punches and endurance didn't afford too many of his opponents the luxuary of getting close enough, often enough to beat on him all day!

Could he have been sent into 'lala' land buy a true big hitter, of course but you had to get to him first.

The best example I can think of is Freddie Mills, a true L-HW who endured the 'beatings' of lots of big HW's and still kept going, Mills was as strong as a bull, my grandfather said he was the strongest man he ever fought and Bert fought at least 10 ranked or World classed HW's... and look what happened to Freddie in a 'ligitimate' L-HW bout against the beautiful boxer, cagy mover and KO puncher Lloyd Marshall. Freddie didn't even know he had been hit he was OUT ON HIS FEET, a few more rounds and knock downs and it was over, one of the finest fights I have ever seen for finess, style and perfect hook and punch power - Marshall.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 17 May 2006, 06:21

Decagon wrote:I don't think that Shavers was talented enough to stop Marciano. Tyson petered out too quickly. I'd see Marciano weathering Tyson's initial onslaught and then stopping him. I'd give Foreman, Louis, Liston and Lewis a good shot at it.

So your telling me Foreman has a good shot at KO'ing Marciano and not Tyson? Even though Tyson punched just as hard as Foreman and had much better handspeed to go with it. Both Tyson and Foreman will swarm Rocky early and your hatred of Tyson is simply idiotic.

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