Spence vs Hurd at 154- a fight that I'd like to see it! Who would win this?

[apollo creed]

I think this is one of the best fights out there for Spence. Beating Hurd it would definitely make a statement for Spence. I hope this fight happens this year.

[Enlightened-One]

Jarrett Hurd’s trainer expects 2019 to be his fighters’ final year at competing as a 154lb-er. Swift’s goal is to unify the division prior to making the jump to 160lbs.

Errol Spence Jr. has recently claimed that he expects to remain as a welterweight for another two years at least, which means he’s unlikely to make the jump to 154lbs until end of 2020. And let’s face it, ‘The Truth’ has bigger fish to fry at 147lbs than the likes of Jarrett Hurd.

Therefore, there’s no reason to speculate about the possibility of witnessing this bout during 2019. In fact, it may never happen, but if it does, we’ll have to wait at least three or four years.

End of thread!

[apollo creed]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

TBH, Porter and Thurman are both big welterweights..

[Enlightened-One]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

Errol Spence Jr. isn’t interested in competitive fights. He wants the biggest bouts to earn the best paydays and remaining as a 147lb-er will allow him to do that.

Jarrett Hurd earned $1m to defend his titles against Jason Welborn, only $500K for the Erislandy Lara bout and $330K against Austin Trout.

These sums are dwarfed by the purses that Errol Spence Jr. is capable of earning against the likes of: Mikey Garcia; Terence Crawford; Keith Thurman; Shawn Porter; Manny Pacquiao; Adrien Broner; Danny Garcia; Kell Brook; Amir Khan etc.

Errol Spence Jr. stated that he’ll remain at 147lbs for another two years and I believe him. ‘The Truth’ may indeed be willing to fight anyone, but he’ll inevitably choose the fights that grant him the biggest paydays.

We also need to remember the following:

• Tony Harrison is committed to engaging in a rematch with Jermell Charlo within four months.

• Jarrett Hurd has been ordered to engage in a rematch with Erislandy Lara, even though the American would prefer a bout against Kell Brook instead.

• Those are two fights that must happen before the winners of Harrison-Charlo versus Lara-Hurd compete against each other to unify the WBC, WBA & IBF 154lbs belts.

• We also know for certain that Jarrett understands the political barriers preventing the possibility of a title unification fight against Jaime Munguia, which has led Hurd to claim that he intends to make the jump to 160lbs at the start of 2020 (after he’s unified the other three titles in the division).

• Errol Spence Jr. is currently tied-up defending IBF world welterweight title against Mikey Garcia on the 16th March.

Anyway, by the time 2019 comes to a close, I’ll remind you of this thread and ask you to comment accordingly.

[apollo creed]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

TBH, Porter and Thurman are both big welterweights..

Spence is 5′ 9½″ and 72″ and you can see he's well sized and Thurman is 5′ 7½″ and 69″. I'd say that Spence is more of a super welter.

Anyway the problem with those guys is that they are not so eager to fight Spence.

[Enlightened-One]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

TBH, Porter and Thurman are both big welterweights..

Spence is 5′ 9½″ and 72″ and you can see he's well sized and Thurman is 5′ 7½″ and 69″. I'd say that Spence is more of a super welter.

Anyway the problem with those guys is that they are not so eager to fight Spence.

The problem that Jarrett Hurd has is that a combination of his age and physical size will inevitably prevent him from campaigning as a 154lb-er for much longer.

Jarrett Hurd's trainer, Ernesto “Nesto” Rodriguez, also claims that his fighter blows up to around 185lbs between fights and usually enters the ring weighing between 170-175lbs, hence the reason why he intends to make the jump to 160lbs by the end of 2019.

Errol Spence Jr. and Jarrett Hurd simply aren’t going to fight each other anytime soon. It’s an unrealistic bout to discuss at this point in time.

For sure, the situation may change in a few years’ time, but we’re not seeing this fight taking place during 2019.

[apollo creed]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

Errol Spence Jr. isn’t interested in competitive fights. He wants the biggest bouts to earn the best paydays and remaining as a 147lb-er will allow him to do that.

Jarrett Hurd earned $1m to defend his titles against Jason Welborn, only $500K for the Erislandy Lara bout and $330K against Austin Trout.

These sums are dwarfed by the purses that Errol Spence Jr. is capable of earning against the likes of: Mikey Garcia; Terence Crawford; Keith Thurman; Shawn Porter; Manny Pacquiao; Adrien Broner; Danny Garcia; Kell Brook; Amir Khan etc.

Errol Spence Jr. stated that he’ll remain at 147lbs for another two years and I believe him. ‘The Truth’ may indeed be willing to fight anyone, but he’ll inevitably choose the fights that grant him the biggest paydays.

We also need to remember the following:

• Tony Harrison is committed to engaging in a rematch with Jermell Charlo within four months.

• Jarrett Hurd has been ordered to engage in a rematch with Erislandy Lara, even though the American would prefer a bout against Kell Brook instead.

• Those are two fights that must happen before the winners of Harrison-Charlo versus Lara-Hurd compete against each other to unify the WBC, WBA & IBF 154lbs belts.

• We also know for certain that Jarrett understands the political barriers preventing the possibility of a title unification fight against Jaime Munguia, which has led Hurd to claim that he intends to make the jump to 160lbs at the start of 2020 (after he’s unified the other three titles in the division).

• Errol Spence Jr. is currently tied-up defending IBF world welterweight title against Mikey Garcia on the 16th March.

Anyway, by the time 2019 comes to a close, I’ll remind you of this thread and ask you to comment accordingly.

I just say it like I see it. I'd love to see Spence fighting TC, Thurman or Porter this year but those fights are hard to be made from various reasons, so considering that Spence ain't gonna wait forever those top welters to the point he'd have to kill himself to make the ww weight limit I think he'd eventually make a decision to go up at 154 and then maybe to 160.

[Enlightened-One]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

Errol Spence Jr. isn’t interested in competitive fights. He wants the biggest bouts to earn the best paydays and remaining as a 147lb-er will allow him to do that.

Jarrett Hurd earned $1m to defend his titles against Jason Welborn, only $500K for the Erislandy Lara bout and $330K against Austin Trout.

These sums are dwarfed by the purses that Errol Spence Jr. is capable of earning against the likes of: Mikey Garcia; Terence Crawford; Keith Thurman; Shawn Porter; Manny Pacquiao; Adrien Broner; Danny Garcia; Kell Brook; Amir Khan etc.

Errol Spence Jr. stated that he’ll remain at 147lbs for another two years and I believe him. ‘The Truth’ may indeed be willing to fight anyone, but he’ll inevitably choose the fights that grant him the biggest paydays.

We also need to remember the following:

• Tony Harrison is committed to engaging in a rematch with Jermell Charlo within four months.

• Jarrett Hurd has been ordered to engage in a rematch with Erislandy Lara, even though the American would prefer a bout against Kell Brook instead.

• Those are two fights that must happen before the winners of Harrison-Charlo versus Lara-Hurd compete against each other to unify the WBC, WBA & IBF 154lbs belts.

• We also know for certain that Jarrett understands the political barriers preventing the possibility of a title unification fight against Jaime Munguia, which has led Hurd to claim that he intends to make the jump to 160lbs at the start of 2020 (after he’s unified the other three titles in the division).

• Errol Spence Jr. is currently tied-up defending IBF world welterweight title against Mikey Garcia on the 16th March.

Anyway, by the time 2019 comes to a close, I’ll remind you of this thread and ask you to comment accordingly.

I just say it like I see it. I'd love to see Spence fighting TC, Thurman or Porter this year but those fights are hard to be made from various reasons, so considering that Spence ain't gonna wait forever those top welters to the point he'd have to kill himself to make the ww weight limit I think he'd eventually make a decision to go up at 154 and then maybe to 160.

I don’t disagree with you, but I believe a 2019 bout between Spence Jr. and Hurt is an unrealistic proposition.

There are far too many hurdles to overcome and prerequisite bouts to take place in order to facilitate this fight.

[apollo creed]

TBH, Porter and Thurman are both big welterweights..

Spence is 5′ 9½″ and 72″ and you can see he's well sized and Thurman is 5′ 7½″ and 69″. I'd say that Spence is more of a super welter.

Anyway the problem with those guys is that they are not so eager to fight Spence.

The problem that Jarrett Hurd has is that a combination of his age and physical size will inevitably prevent him from campaigning as a 154lb-er for much longer.

Jarrett Hurd's trainer, Ernesto “Nesto” Rodriguez, also claims that his fighter blows up to around 185lbs between fights and usually enters the ring weighing between 170-175lbs, hence the reason why he intends to make the jump to 160lbs by the end of 2019.

Errol Spence Jr. and Jarrett Hurd simply aren’t going to fight each other anytime soon. It’s an unrealistic bout to discuss at this point in time.

For sure, the situation may change in a few years’ time, but we’re not seeing this fight taking place during 2019.

No doubt he's a smw imo. He may unify with Harrison and then move to 160 lbs but that doesn't mean that I don't wish him and Spence to square off asap.

[IKSRTFO]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

TBH, Porter and Thurman are both big welterweights..

Spence is 5′ 9½″ and 72″ and you can see he's well sized and Thurman is 5′ 7½″ and 69″. I'd say that Spence is more of a super welter.

Anyway the problem with those guys is that they are not so eager to fight Spence.

Size is a little bit more than dimensions. Like by Porter's measurements, he may be considered a small welter compared to Spence but only one of them started their career at 165, then 160, then 154 before 147 and it wasn't Spence. Similar thing with Tim Bradley. I used to hear how small he is referring to height and reach but it's forgotten he was a 152lb amateur fighting the likes of Ward and Dirrell.

[apollo creed]

TBH, Porter and Thurman are both big welterweights..

Spence is 5′ 9½″ and 72″ and you can see he's well sized and Thurman is 5′ 7½″ and 69″. I'd say that Spence is more of a super welter.

Anyway the problem with those guys is that they are not so eager to fight Spence.

Size is a little bit more than dimensions. Like by Porter's measurements, he may be considered a small welter compared to Spence but only one of them started their career at 165, then 160, then 154 before 147 and it wasn't Spence. Similar thing with Tim Bradley. I used to hear how small he is referring to height and reach but it's forgotten he was a 152lb amateur fighting the likes of Ward and Dirrell.

I said that Spence is well sized. His frame is big.

[KiwiRider]

Nope.

Spence is a big welter. He has a big frame. I think this is a far more competitive fight for Spence than Thurman or Porter. It would also be an easy fight to be made.

"If Tony and Jarrett Hurd fight, I’ll fight the winner out of the two,” Spence said.

Errol Spence Jr. isn’t interested in competitive fights. He wants the biggest bouts to earn the best paydays and remaining as a 147lb-er will allow him to do that.

Jarrett Hurd earned $1m to defend his titles against Jason Welborn, only $500K for the Erislandy Lara bout and $330K against Austin Trout.

These sums are dwarfed by the purses that Errol Spence Jr. is capable of earning against the likes of: Mikey Garcia; Terence Crawford; Keith Thurman; Shawn Porter; Manny Pacquiao; Adrien Broner; Danny Garcia; Kell Brook; Amir Khan etc.

Errol Spence Jr. stated that he’ll remain at 147lbs for another two years and I believe him. ‘The Truth’ may indeed be willing to fight anyone, but he’ll inevitably choose the fights that grant him the biggest paydays.

We also need to remember the following:

• Tony Harrison is committed to engaging in a rematch with Jermell Charlo within four months.

• Jarrett Hurd has been ordered to engage in a rematch with Erislandy Lara, even though the American would prefer a bout against Kell Brook instead.

• Those are two fights that must happen before the winners of Harrison-Charlo versus Lara-Hurd compete against each other to unify the WBC, WBA & IBF 154lbs belts.

• We also know for certain that Jarrett understands the political barriers preventing the possibility of a title unification fight against Jaime Munguia, which has led Hurd to claim that he intends to make the jump to 160lbs at the start of 2020 (after he’s unified the other three titles in the division).

• Errol Spence Jr. is currently tied-up defending IBF world welterweight title against Mikey Garcia on the 16th March.

Anyway, by the time 2019 comes to a close, I’ll remind you of this thread and ask you to comment accordingly.

All good points. With the belt and a better selection of fights for Spence, without moving up, it would make sense to stay where he is. I do think he is being avoided by the other title holders though.
His activity and level of opponent since the Brook win has been dissapoining.

[Mexi-Box]

Even Keith Thurman was effective at LMW, and he's smaller than Spence Jr. It'd be a great fight. Spence Jr. won't be able to bully the bigger Hurd.

[oogiebe]

Even Keith Thurman was effective at LMW, and he's smaller than Spence Jr. It'd be a great fight. Spence Jr. won't be able to bully the bigger Hurd.

I can't see this fight happening. Hurd is too big and wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't come down in weight to meet Spence. On the other hand, Spence would already gives up height and reach and at the higher weight size. Can't see it.

[Mexi-Box]

Even Keith Thurman was effective at LMW, and he's smaller than Spence Jr. It'd be a great fight. Spence Jr. won't be able to bully the bigger Hurd.

I can't see this fight happening. Hurd is too big and wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't come down in weight to meet Spence. On the other hand, Spence would already gives up height and reach and at the higher weight size. Can't see it.

What height/reach? Canelo and Lara are both only 5' 7", and you can't tell me they weren't effective at 154. I don't trust the BoxRec heights, btw. Showtime's were more accurate, and IIRC, they had them both at 5' 7 1/2" or 5' 8" for Lara. Brook is also doing well at 154, and he's about the same size as Spence Jr.

[oogiebe]

Even Keith Thurman was effective at LMW, and he's smaller than Spence Jr. It'd be a great fight. Spence Jr. won't be able to bully the bigger Hurd.

I can't see this fight happening. Hurd is too big and wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't come down in weight to meet Spence. On the other hand, Spence would already gives up height and reach and at the higher weight size. Can't see it.

What height/reach? Canelo and Lara are both only 5' 7", and you can't tell me they weren't effective at 154. I don't trust the BoxRec heights, btw. Showtime's were more accurate, and IIRC, they had them both at 5' 7 1/2" or 5' 8" for Lara. Brook is also doing well at 154, and he's about the same size as Spence Jr.

Sorry mate, I'm talking about Hurd/Spence.

[IKSRTFO]

I can't see this fight happening. Hurd is too big and wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't come down in weight to meet Spence. On the other hand, Spence would already gives up height and reach and at the higher weight size. Can't see it.

What height/reach? Canelo and Lara are both only 5' 7", and you can't tell me they weren't effective at 154. I don't trust the BoxRec heights, btw. Showtime's were more accurate, and IIRC, they had them both at 5' 7 1/2" or 5' 8" for Lara. Brook is also doing well at 154, and he's about the same size as Spence Jr.

Sorry mate, I'm talking about Hurd/Spence.

Spence is likely the same size or bigger than Lara and Trout who had no problem fighting Hurd.

[oogiebe]

What height/reach? Canelo and Lara are both only 5' 7", and you can't tell me they weren't effective at 154. I don't trust the BoxRec heights, btw. Showtime's were more accurate, and IIRC, they had them both at 5' 7 1/2" or 5' 8" for Lara. Brook is also doing well at 154, and he's about the same size as Spence Jr.

Sorry mate, I'm talking about Hurd/Spence.

Spence is likely the same size or bigger than Lara and Trout who had no problem fighting Hurd.

Lara is 5'9" and Trout 5'9.5" was TKO'd. (close fight to that point, but he wore down). Spence, who I love, is also 5'9.5" so you do and don't have a point. With the type of fighter Spence is, where as he is usually the bigger/dominant fighter, it makes a diff.

[apollo creed]

The question was who would win this match ?

[IKSRTFO]

Sorry mate, I'm talking about Hurd/Spence.

Spence is likely the same size or bigger than Lara and Trout who had no problem fighting Hurd.

Lara is 5'9" and Trout 5'9.5" was TKO'd. (close fight to that point, but he wore down). Spence, who I love, is also 5'9.5" so you do and don't have a point. With the type of fighter Spence is, where as he is usually the bigger/dominant fighter, it makes a diff.

Sure Spence won't be the bigger fighter but that doesn't mean he's too small to fight Hurd at 154. It's like Chavez Jr moving above 160. He wasn't exactly too small nor the opponents too big, he just couldn't beat guys his size or bigger.

[oogiebe]

Spence is likely the same size or bigger than Lara and Trout who had no problem fighting Hurd.

Lara is 5'9" and Trout 5'9.5" was TKO'd. (close fight to that point, but he wore down). Spence, who I love, is also 5'9.5" so you do and don't have a point. With the type of fighter Spence is, where as he is usually the bigger/dominant fighter, it makes a diff.

Sure Spence won't be the bigger fighter but that doesn't mean he's too small to fight Hurd at 154. It's like Chavez Jr moving above 160. He wasn't exactly too small nor the opponents too big, he just couldn't beat guys his size or bigger.

I love Spence, so I'll go with my heart here. Spence wins. (that was painful)

[IKSRTFO]

Lara is 5'9" and Trout 5'9.5" was TKO'd. (close fight to that point, but he wore down). Spence, who I love, is also 5'9.5" so you do and don't have a point. With the type of fighter Spence is, where as he is usually the bigger/dominant fighter, it makes a diff.

Sure Spence won't be the bigger fighter but that doesn't mean he's too small to fight Hurd at 154. It's like Chavez Jr moving above 160. He wasn't exactly too small nor the opponents too big, he just couldn't beat guys his size or bigger.

I love Spence, so I'll go with my heart here. Spence wins. (that was painful)

Sometimes you have to value your head way above your heart. For example, as much as I like Mikey and believe he has chances, I doubt he will beat Spence.

[oogiebe]

Sure Spence won't be the bigger fighter but that doesn't mean he's too small to fight Hurd at 154. It's like Chavez Jr moving above 160. He wasn't exactly too small nor the opponents too big, he just couldn't beat guys his size or bigger.

I love Spence, so I'll go with my heart here. Spence wins. (that was painful)

Sometimes you have to value your head way above your heart. For example, as much as I like Mikey and believe he has chances, I doubt he will beat Spence.

Eh! It's only a boxing thread. Agree on Garcia/Spence though.

[Enlightened-One]

Some points to consider:

• Errol Spence Jr. casually stated during an interview that he'd consider facing the winner of Jarrett Hurd and Tony Harrison for the WBC, WBA, IBF and IBO 154lbs world titles, but actually, there aren’t any plans for these guys to fight… and if it does happen, it’s unlikely to be scheduled any earlier than late 2019, since both champions are already obliged to face other fighters
• The WBA ordered a rematch between Jarrett Hurd and Erislandy Lara, with the Cuban claiming that he intends to exploit the WBA’s official order after competing in his next outing
• Erislandy Lara may be facing Brian Castano on March 2nd
• Jarrett Hurd will be defending his titles against Julian Williams either on the 27th April or the 11th May
• Tony Harrison is committed to engaging in a rematch with Jermell Charlo within four months
• Errol Spence Jr. stated that he’ll remain at 147lbs for another two years
• Errol Spence Jr. is already tied-up facing Mikey Garcia on the 16th March
• Errol Spence Jr. has far bigger fish to fry at welterweight, where he can command huge sums in comparison to what he’s capable of earning against Jarrett Hurd
• Jarrett Hurd's team have already claimed that they intend to make the jump to 160lbs by the end of 2019, because he’s struggling to make the weight

Therefore, Errol Spence Jr. won’t be facing Jarrett Hurd during 2019 and it’s likely that they’ll never face each other.