BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking voting

[dagilechia]

I always liked it that our board had it's own ranking, what do you think about reactivating it?

[oogiebe]

I always liked it that our board had it's own ranking, what do you think about reactivating it?

I'm in!

[dagilechia]

I always liked it that our board had it's own ranking, what do you think about reactivating it?

I'm in!

so, at first we must determine our current top 15, everyone should post his top 15 and i suggest this kind of scoring system

1. 40 points
2. 35 points
3. 32 points
4 29 points
5. 26. points
6. 24 points
7. 22 points
8. 20 points
9. 18 points
10. 16 points
11. 14 points
12. 13 points
13. 12 points
14. 11 points
15. 10 points

What do you think? or should it be TOP 20? 16.-8p, 17.-6p, 18.-4p, 19.-2p, 20.-1p

[dagilechia]

mine would be

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Alexander Povetkin
4.Deontay Wilder
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Kubrat Pulev
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Dillian Whyte
9.Joseph Parker
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dominic Breazeale
12.Filip Hrgović
13.Bryant Jennings
14.Dereck Chisora
15.Michael Hunter
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16.Sergey Kuzmin
17.Agit Kabayel
18.Hughie Fury
19.Johann Duhaupas
20.Carlos Takam

[oogiebe]

I always liked it that our board had it's own ranking, what do you think about reactivating it?

I'm in!

so, at first we must determine our current top 15, everyone should post his top 15 and i suggest this kind of scoring system

1. 40 points
2. 35 points
3. 32 points
4 29 points
5. 26. points
6. 24 points
7. 22 points
8. 20 points
9. 18 points
10. 16 points
11. 15 points
12. 14 points
13. 13 points
14. 12 points
15. 11 points

What do you think? or should it be TOP 20? 16.-10p, 17.-8p, 18.-6p, 19.-4p, 20.-2p

Maybe just top 10. It gets foggy after top 7/8, don't you think?

[oogiebe]

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Deontay Wilder
4.Dillian Whyte
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Alexander Povetkin
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Joseph Parker
9.Kubrat Pulev
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dereck Chisora
12.Dominic Breazeale
13.Marco Huck
14.Filip Hrgović
15.Bryant Jennings

My preliminary rankings.

[dagilechia]

I'm in!

so, at first we must determine our current top 15, everyone should post his top 15 and i suggest this kind of scoring system

1. 40 points
2. 35 points
3. 32 points
4 29 points
5. 26. points
6. 24 points
7. 22 points
8. 20 points
9. 18 points
10. 16 points
11. 15 points
12. 14 points
13. 13 points
14. 12 points
15. 11 points

What do you think? or should it be TOP 20? 16.-10p, 17.-8p, 18.-6p, 19.-4p, 20.-2p

Maybe just top 10. It gets foggy after top 7/8, don't you think?

so let it be 15, in top 10 almost everyone has the same fighters so we pretty much know how it would look like i think

[dagilechia]

unfortunately, seems like there is no interest in this

[dagilechia]

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Deontay Wilder
4.Dillian Whyte
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Alexander Povetkin
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Joseph Parker
9.Kubrat Pulev
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dereck Chisora
12.Dominic Breazeale
13.Marco Huck
14.Filip Hrgović
15.Bryant Jennings

My preliminary rankings.

you rank Huck in top 15 but no Hunter?

[ValMar]

so, at first we must determine our current top 15, everyone should post his top 15 and i suggest this kind of scoring system

1. 40 points
2. 35 points
3. 32 points
4 29 points
5. 26. points
6. 24 points
7. 22 points
8. 20 points
9. 18 points
10. 16 points
11. 15 points
12. 14 points
13. 13 points
14. 12 points
15. 11 points

What do you think? or should it be TOP 20? 16.-10p, 17.-8p, 18.-6p, 19.-4p, 20.-2p

Maybe just top 10. It gets foggy after top 7/8, don't you think?

so let it be 15, in top 10 almost everyone has the same fighters so we pretty much know how it would look like i think

Fine, I will try to make my top 15 list for today, tomorrow this list might be a little bit different.

1. Joshua
2. T. Fury
3. Wilder
4. Ortiz
5. Whyte
6. Miller
7. Povetkin
8. Parker
9. Pulev
10. Breazeale
11. Hrgović
12. Jennings
13. Kabayal
14. Chisora
15. H. Fury

[oogiebe]

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Tyson Fury
3.Deontay Wilder
4.Dillian Whyte
5.Luis Ortiz
6.Alexander Povetkin
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Joseph Parker
9.Kubrat Pulev
10.Adam Kownacki
11.Dereck Chisora
12.Dominic Breazeale
13.Marco Huck
14.Filip Hrgović
15.Bryant Jennings

My preliminary rankings.

you rank Huck in top 15 but no Hunter?

I'm not convinced on Hunter, and after number 8 it gets tight. Huck was a coin toss.

[ValMar]

unfortunately, seems like there is no interest in this

It might be valid if there are more than 20 lists by the end of January.

[oogiebe]

Give it time me, or take a quick poll to put this in motion or to rest. You just posted it. Patience.

[ValMar]

Give it time me, or take a quick poll to put this in motion or to rest. You just posted it. Patience.

Yes !

[JCS]

Just pick a few rankings and get an average..

BoxRec
The Ring
Transnational
PBO (Thank me later, Lennox)
ESPN (Didn't want to include Fat Dan, but an odd # helped break Wilder/Fury tiebreaker)

Code: Select all

            BR   TR   PBO  TN   ESPN    
 1 Joshua    1    1    1    1     1    1
 2 Wilder    2    3    2    3     2    2.4
 3 Fury      3    2    3    2     3    2.6
 4 Whyte     5    4    5    4     4    4.4
 5 Povetkin  4    6    4    6     6    5.2
 6 Ortiz     8    5    7    5     5    6
 7 Miller    6    8    6    7     7    6.8
 8 Pulev     7   10    8    8     9    8.4
 9 Parker   10    7    9    9     8    8.6
10 Breazeale 9   11   10    10   11    10.2
11 Kownacki 11    9   11    11   11    10.6
12 Jennings 11   11   11    11   10    10.8

*Assigned an 11 if boxer was not in Top 10 on a list.

[oogiebe]

Just pick a few rankings and get an average..

BoxRec
The Ring
Transnational
PBO (Thank me later, Lennox)
ESPN (Didn't want to include Fat Dan, but an odd # helped break Wilder/Fury tiebreaker)

Code: Select all

            BR   TR   PBO  TN   ESPN    
 1 Joshua    1    1    1    1     1    1
 2 Wilder    2    3    2    3     2    2.4
 3 Fury      3    2    3    2     3    2.6
 4 Whyte     5    4    5    4     4    4.4
 5 Povetkin  4    6    4    6     6    5.2
 6 Ortiz     8    5    7    5     5    6
 7 Miller    6    8    6    7     7    6.8
 8 Pulev     7   10    8    8     9    8.4
 9 Parker   10    7    9    9     8    8.6
10 Breazeale 9   11   10    10   11    10.2
11 Kownacki 11    9   11    11   11    10.6
12 Jennings 11   11   11    11   10    10.8

*Assigned an 11 if boxer was not in Top 10 on a list.

KISS method. Sounds smart to me.

[JCS]

Just pick a few rankings and get an average..

BoxRec
The Ring
Transnational
PBO (Thank me later, Lennox)
ESPN (Didn't want to include Fat Dan, but an odd # helped break Wilder/Fury tiebreaker)

Code: Select all

            BR   TR   PBO  TN   ESPN    
 1 Joshua    1    1    1    1     1    1
 2 Wilder    2    3    2    3     2    2.4
 3 Fury      3    2    3    2     3    2.6
 4 Whyte     5    4    5    4     4    4.4
 5 Povetkin  4    6    4    6     6    5.2
 6 Ortiz     8    5    7    5     5    6
 7 Miller    6    8    6    7     7    6.8
 8 Pulev     7   10    8    8     9    8.4
 9 Parker   10    7    9    9     8    8.6
10 Breazeale 9   11   10    10   11    10.2
11 Kownacki 11    9   11    11   11    10.6
12 Jennings 11   11   11    11   10    10.8

*Assigned an 11 if boxer was not in Top 10 on a list.

KISS method. Sounds smart to me.

It is quite boring to see that kind of agreement between 5 major lists... seemingly doesn't leave much room for argument so yes, I like this method. It is kind of depressing to build the list yourself, you realize how poor the HW scene is.

[dagilechia]

Just pick a few rankings and get an average..

BoxRec
The Ring
Transnational
PBO (Thank me later, Lennox)
ESPN (Didn't want to include Fat Dan, but an odd # helped break Wilder/Fury tiebreaker)

Code: Select all

            BR   TR   PBO  TN   ESPN    
 1 Joshua    1    1    1    1     1    1
 2 Wilder    2    3    2    3     2    2.4
 3 Fury      3    2    3    2     3    2.6
 4 Whyte     5    4    5    4     4    4.4
 5 Povetkin  4    6    4    6     6    5.2
 6 Ortiz     8    5    7    5     5    6
 7 Miller    6    8    6    7     7    6.8
 8 Pulev     7   10    8    8     9    8.4
 9 Parker   10    7    9    9     8    8.6
10 Breazeale 9   11   10    10   11    10.2
11 Kownacki 11    9   11    11   11    10.6
12 Jennings 11   11   11    11   10    10.8

*Assigned an 11 if boxer was not in Top 10 on a list.

KISS method. Sounds smart to me.

not a boxrec board ranking though

[oogiebe]

Just pick a few rankings and get an average..

BoxRec
The Ring
Transnational
PBO (Thank me later, Lennox)
ESPN (Didn't want to include Fat Dan, but an odd # helped break Wilder/Fury tiebreaker)

Code: Select all

            BR   TR   PBO  TN   ESPN    
 1 Joshua    1    1    1    1     1    1
 2 Wilder    2    3    2    3     2    2.4
 3 Fury      3    2    3    2     3    2.6
 4 Whyte     5    4    5    4     4    4.4
 5 Povetkin  4    6    4    6     6    5.2
 6 Ortiz     8    5    7    5     5    6
 7 Miller    6    8    6    7     7    6.8
 8 Pulev     7   10    8    8     9    8.4
 9 Parker   10    7    9    9     8    8.6
10 Breazeale 9   11   10    10   11    10.2
11 Kownacki 11    9   11    11   11    10.6
12 Jennings 11   11   11    11   10    10.8

*Assigned an 11 if boxer was not in Top 10 on a list.

KISS method. Sounds smart to me.

It is quite boring to see that kind of agreement between 5 major lists... seemingly doesn't leave much room for argument so yes, I like this method. It is kind of depressing to build the list yourself, you realize how poor the HW scene is.

Yes, outside top 6-7-and maybe even 8 it gets awfully murky...and really a drop off after 1-2-3.

[oogiebe]

Just pick a few rankings and get an average..

BoxRec
The Ring
Transnational
PBO (Thank me later, Lennox)
ESPN (Didn't want to include Fat Dan, but an odd # helped break Wilder/Fury tiebreaker)

Code: Select all

            BR   TR   PBO  TN   ESPN    
 1 Joshua    1    1    1    1     1    1
 2 Wilder    2    3    2    3     2    2.4
 3 Fury      3    2    3    2     3    2.6
 4 Whyte     5    4    5    4     4    4.4
 5 Povetkin  4    6    4    6     6    5.2
 6 Ortiz     8    5    7    5     5    6
 7 Miller    6    8    6    7     7    6.8
 8 Pulev     7   10    8    8     9    8.4
 9 Parker   10    7    9    9     8    8.6
10 Breazeale 9   11   10    10   11    10.2
11 Kownacki 11    9   11    11   11    10.6
12 Jennings 11   11   11    11   10    10.8

*Assigned an 11 if boxer was not in Top 10 on a list.

KISS method. Sounds smart to me.

not a boxrec board ranking though

Yeah, but if we just take each of our rankings; apply actual rank number for each figher; total up across all our rankings; and take the avg, voila! We have our own average ranking.

[dagilechia]

KISS method. Sounds smart to me.

not a boxrec board ranking though

Yeah, but if we just take each of our rankings; apply actual rank number for each figher; total up across all our rankings; and take the avg, voila! We have our own average ranking.

some people would have Hrgović, Jennings and Hunter in their top 15, others would have Kuzmin, Kabayel and Hughie, that is why this method is less effective than the point method, you can't make average when one fighter was voted 5 times and other 8 and other 20 times

[oogiebe]

not a boxrec board ranking though

Yeah, but if we just take each of our rankings; apply actual rank number for each figher; total up across all our rankings; and take the avg, voila! We have our own average ranking.

some people would have Hrgović, Jennings and Hunter in their top 15, others would have Kuzmin, Kabayel and Hughie, that is why this method is less effective than the point method, you can't make average when one fighter was voted 5 times and other 8 and other 20 times

Sure we can, it's more consensus. Unless you want it the other way, then more power to you.

[dagilechia]

Yeah, but if we just take each of our rankings; apply actual rank number for each figher; total up across all our rankings; and take the avg, voila! We have our own average ranking.

some people would have Hrgović, Jennings and Hunter in their top 15, others would have Kuzmin, Kabayel and Hughie, that is why this method is less effective than the point method, you can't make average when one fighter was voted 5 times and other 8 and other 20 times

Sure we can, it's more consensus. Unless you want it the other way, then more power to you.

look
for example:
Jennings' votes: 13 15 15 11 11 - - - 12 15 15 15 14 15
Hughie's votes: 10 - - - - - - 12 10 10 - -11 13
Jennings' average: 14.6
Hughie average: 11

but 11 people voted on Jennings and only 6 voted for Hughie. that is why this method doesn't works in this case

[oogiebe]

some people would have Hrgović, Jennings and Hunter in their top 15, others would have Kuzmin, Kabayel and Hughie, that is why this method is less effective than the point method, you can't make average when one fighter was voted 5 times and other 8 and other 20 times

Sure we can, it's more consensus. Unless you want it the other way, then more power to you.

look
for example:
Jennings' votes: 13 15 15 11 11 - - - 12 15 15 15 14 15
Hughie's votes: 10 - - - - - - 12 10 10 - -11 13
Jennings' average: 14.6
Hughie average: 11

but 11 people voted on Jennings and only 6 voted for Hughie. that is why this method doesn't works in this case

Same can happen with the original scoring you showed, no?

[dagilechia]

Sure we can, it's more consensus. Unless you want it the other way, then more power to you.

look
for example:
Jennings' votes: 13 15 15 11 11 - - - 12 15 15 15 14 15
Hughie's votes: 10 - - - - - - 12 10 10 - -11 13
Jennings' average: 14.6
Hughie average: 11

but 11 people voted on Jennings and only 6 voted for Hughie. that is why this method doesn't works in this case

Same can happen with the original scoring you showed, no?

of course not. in my system Jennings would have 135 points, Hughie would have 90 points