Classic fights I've watched recently

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I don't think Galento went down guns blazing here. He was hanging on for dear life most of the fight.
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handsofstone wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 16:45
oogiebe wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 15:46
handsofstone wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 15:40 Max Baer vs Tony Galento


Baer stops Galento after 7 rounds of a non title Heavyweight contest, real tough dirty fight, every rule in the book broken, head butts, low blows, rabbit punching, hitting on the break, holding and hitting you name it, they done it, Galento especially was the guiltier party, he had to make things rough against the much taller and skilful Baer, although to be to Baer he didn't mind getting his hands dirty, it was scrappy for the first few rounds and Galento done a good job of not allowing Baer to get into a rhythm, Galento just steamed in wailing away with both hands not caring about where his shots landed

The longer the fight went on even though Galento was as game as ever his work was becoming more laboured and predictable and Baer was starting to land counters with the right hand as Galento poured in, still it was a shock when Galento was pulled out on his stool after 7 rounds,
Two Ton (a nickname not associated with his weight but for an excuse being late to a fight) Tony trained at his bar.
Yep Galento never looked much of a boxer, ive only seen his fights with Baer and Louis but he's a handful, fvck getting into a bar room brawl with him
YEah, he was a tough muddah!
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 16:46 I don't think Galento went down guns blazing here. He was hanging on for dear life most of the fight.
The commentator was making out that Baer was putting on some sort of masterclass, not from what I was seeing, it was messy and dirty, Baer did get better but it was still rough in there, Galento done a lot of holding and hitting
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handsofstone wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 17:38
Ambling Alp II wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 16:46 I don't think Galento went down guns blazing here. He was hanging on for dear life most of the fight.
The commentator was making out that Baer was putting on some sort of masterclass, not from what I was seeing, it was messy and dirty, Baer did get better but it was still rough in there, Galento done a lot of holding and hitting
My recollection was that it was a pier six brawl.
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Trevor Berbick vs John Tate

A good scrap. Berbick started aggressive and confident, he was rushing on Tate with barrages of punches. But Tate was able to establish the jab a bit later, with it and with his movement he was disorienting Berbick. By the mid-rounds Tate was already not worse in the exchanges. John was doing well overall, while Trevor seemed to be lacking ideas how to get to the opponent, but after the 8th Tate appeared to be exhausted or maybe even somehow injured, he went to the 9th with a little delay, Berbick then rushed on him, Tate was even turning his back before he got dropped and stopped. An unexpected ending for such fight.
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Trevor Berbick vs Greg Page

On the first look, Page was trying to utilize a correct style agaist Berbick with his Ali-wannabe dancing and outfighting, but Page wasn't doing enough from that range and furthermore he was failing to avoid Berbick's noticeable punches, when Berbick tried to spurt from time to time. Early in the fight Page was even stunned and was saved by the ropes from falling down, it could have easily been ruled as a KD. So, with the amount of available rounds it could be seen, that Berbick did more for the victory and fairly got it.
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I watched a number of my favorite heavyweight fights last night.

Riddick Bowe vs. Andrew Golota I & II

Both excellent fights with the second being a classic fight. Obviously the fouls saved Bowe and took a little shine off both fights but the action is great. Fight I Golota really boxed well with excellent use of the jab and a sharp right hand. He was beating Bowe all fight. Fight II is in my personal top 3 Heavyweight fights ever. Bowe really took a frightful beating but showed incredible heart and had more success in this fight. Starts out the same with Golota winning the first round behind the jab and then hurts Bowe badly with a shot to the temple in the 2nd. Bowe did well just to get through the round but Golota gives a point away for a headbutt. I think it was a retaliation as he was cut badly in this round and I didn't see Bowe land a punch. Round 4, incredibly Bowe turns it around and Golota is cut badly in two areas and gets hurt, goes down and looks out of it. He showed a lot to get through this round but then comes back the next round and dishes out a frightful beating of Bowe again with another knockdown. A probable 10-7 round, also the 7th Golota beats the hell out of Bowe. Both are tired and Bowe throws back a bit more but it's Golota's shots doing more damage but he can't stop fouling. I think Bowe does foul him a bit too and lands one low himself before Golota just throws an awful combination below the belt and gets tossed again.

It's really hard to fathom why Golota threw these certain victories away. Obviously he had a screw loose and I think he just saw rage at any infraction he felt Bowe did to him. But he was pummeling him legally, surely just keep doing that? It's good that Bowe didn't fight (more or less) after this. He already started sounding not so good in the interviews.
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Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua

Another gem from the 90's, a decade that arguably brought as many (if not more) great fights than the previous golden era of the 70's. Ibeabuchi start real good, nice use of twisting his waist and not leaving himself too open whilst landing heather leather upstairs and down. He swept the first 4 rounds before Tua started to come on. Tua was so busy back then and lands some truly menacing blows which don't appear to hurt Ike in the slightest. It's about an even fight through 8 rounds and then the last 4 are razor thin which made this a very even fight. I personally felt Ike edged it with the last round after Tua had landed some bombs in the 11th.

Such great heart, determination and class shown here it's sad that neither reached the heights they were clearly capable of. Of course Ibeabuchi had the Byrd win but then went away and Tua scored some good wins after it but allowed himself to put on too much weight and never really showing to be this level of fighter again.
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 11:42 Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua

Another gem from the 90's, a decade that arguably brought as many (if not more) great fights than the previous golden era of the 70's. Ibeabuchi start real good, nice use of twisting his waist and not leaving himself too open whilst landing heather leather upstairs and down. He swept the first 4 rounds before Tua started to come on. Tua was so busy back then and lands some truly menacing blows which don't appear to hurt Ike in the slightest. It's about an even fight through 8 rounds and then the last 4 are razor thin which made this a very even fight. I personally felt Ike edged it with the last round after Tua had landed some bombs in the 11th.

Such great heart, determination and class shown here it's sad that neither reached the heights they were clearly capable of. Of course Ibeabuchi had the Byrd win but then went away and Tua scored some good wins after it but allowed himself to put on too much weight and never really showing to be this level of fighter again.
Amazing there were no KD's. What a great watch this fight is. Oh what would have been, regarding Ike.
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 11:35 I watched a number of my favorite heavyweight fights last night.

Riddick Bowe vs. Andrew Golota I & II

Both excellent fights with the second being a classic fight. Obviously the fouls saved Bowe and took a little shine off both fights but the action is great. Fight I Golota really boxed well with excellent use of the jab and a sharp right hand. He was beating Bowe all fight. Fight II is in my personal top 3 Heavyweight fights ever. Bowe really took a frightful beating but showed incredible heart and had more success in this fight. Starts out the same with Golota winning the first round behind the jab and then hurts Bowe badly with a shot to the temple in the 2nd. Bowe did well just to get through the round but Golota gives a point away for a headbutt. I think it was a retaliation as he was cut badly in this round and I didn't see Bowe land a punch. Round 4, incredibly Bowe turns it around and Golota is cut badly in two areas and gets hurt, goes down and looks out of it. He showed a lot to get through this round but then comes back the next round and dishes out a frightful beating of Bowe again with another knockdown. A probable 10-7 round, also the 7th Golota beats the hell out of Bowe. Both are tired and Bowe throws back a bit more but it's Golota's shots doing more damage but he can't stop fouling. I think Bowe does foul him a bit too and lands one low himself before Golota just throws an awful combination below the belt and gets tossed again.

It's really hard to fathom why Golota threw these certain victories away. Obviously he had a screw loose and I think he just saw rage at any infraction he felt Bowe did to him. But he was pummeling him legally, surely just keep doing that? It's good that Bowe didn't fight (more or less) after this. He already started sounding not so good in the interviews.
A great dilogy, Golota was excellent then. Both victories were almost in the bank, but he blew both of them.
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 11:42 Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua

Another gem from the 90's, a decade that arguably brought as many (if not more) great fights than the previous golden era of the 70's. Ibeabuchi start real good, nice use of twisting his waist and not leaving himself too open whilst landing heather leather upstairs and down. He swept the first 4 rounds before Tua started to come on. Tua was so busy back then and lands some truly menacing blows which don't appear to hurt Ike in the slightest. It's about an even fight through 8 rounds and then the last 4 are razor thin which made this a very even fight. I personally felt Ike edged it with the last round after Tua had landed some bombs in the 11th.

Such great heart, determination and class shown here it's sad that neither reached the heights they were clearly capable of. Of course Ibeabuchi had the Byrd win but then went away and Tua scored some good wins after it but allowed himself to put on too much weight and never really showing to be this level of fighter again.
I find the replay value in this one virtually nothing.
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oogiebe wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 17:43
handsofstone wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 17:38
Ambling Alp II wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 16:46 I don't think Galento went down guns blazing here. He was hanging on for dear life most of the fight.
The commentator was making out that Baer was putting on some sort of masterclass, not from what I was seeing, it was messy and dirty, Baer did get better but it was still rough in there, Galento done a lot of holding and hitting
My recollection was that it was a pier six brawl.
You might want to watch that again. Galento was just trying to hang on. He was scared to death.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 17:03
oogiebe wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 17:43
handsofstone wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 17:38

The commentator was making out that Baer was putting on some sort of masterclass, not from what I was seeing, it was messy and dirty, Baer did get better but it was still rough in there, Galento done a lot of holding and hitting
My recollection was that it was a pier six brawl.
You might want to watch that again. Galento was just trying to hang on. He was scared to death.
There was a shvt load of fouls. Did you watch the entire fight or highlights?
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 11:35 It's really hard to fathom why Golota threw these certain victories away.
Especially in the second fight when he was under no pressure and Bowe was almost unable to stand upright. I guess he felt it was time for a three punch combo to the nads.
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hhaehre wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 10:45
chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 11:35 It's really hard to fathom why Golota threw these certain victories away.
Especially in the second fight when he was under no pressure and Bowe was almost unable to stand upright. I guess he felt it was time for a three punch combo to the nads.
Beggars belief
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Sandy Saddler vs Flash Elorde 2


Saddler stops Elorde on a cut in the 13th round to retain his World Featherweight title, Elorde had outpointed Saddler over 10 in a non title bout a few months previous so this time Saddler defended his title and he was very lucky to win via cut because fir the most part Elorde schooled him, Saddler barely won any of the first 10 rounds and was outboxed and outfought by the younger smaller Elorde

Elorde was far too quick and sharp for Saddler who struggled to get into any sort of rhythm, his movement and southpaw style gave Saddler kittens all night, Elorde had the better jab, left hands, uppercuts through the middle then moving out of range to start the next phase of attack, now and again Elorde would burst into a dozen punch combo similar to a young Pacquiao

Saddler did cut the left eye of Elorde in the middle rounds and it worsened as the fight wore on, it wasn't until the ref called the doc over in the 10th for the first of 3 inspections did it galvanize Saddler into putting the pressure on as he mustve known he could get Elorde out of there and when the ref called the doc over for the third time in the 13th, it was waved off and Saddler retained his title via smash and grab
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oogiebe wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 17:10
Ambling Alp II wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 17:03
oogiebe wrote: 07 Jan 2019, 17:43

My recollection was that it was a pier six brawl.
You might want to watch that again. Galento was just trying to hang on. He was scared to death.
There was a shvt load of fouls. Did you watch the entire fight or highlights?
Pretty sure it was the whole thing. Galento sucked and was out of his league. He is one punch from being a tomato can.
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handsofstone wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 15:12 Sandy Saddler vs Flash Elorde 2


Saddler stops Elorde on a cut in the 13th round to retain his World Featherweight title, Elorde had outpointed Saddler over 10 in a non title bout a few months previous so this time Saddler defended his title and he was very lucky to win via cut because fir the most part Elorde schooled him, Saddler barely won any of the first 10 rounds and was outboxed and outfought by the younger smaller Elorde

Elorde was far too quick and sharp for Saddler who struggled to get into any sort of rhythm, his movement and southpaw style gave Saddler kittens all night, Elorde had the better jab, left hands, uppercuts through the middle then moving out of range to start the next phase of attack, now and again Elorde would burst into a dozen punch combo similar to a young Pacquiao

Saddler did cut the left eye of Elorde in the middle rounds and it worsened as the fight wore on, it wasn't until the ref called the doc over in the 10th for the first of 3 inspections did it galvanize Saddler into putting the pressure on as he mustve known he could get Elorde out of there and when the ref called the doc over for the third time in the 13th, it was waved off and Saddler retained his title via smash and grab
Brutally dirty performance from saddler.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 17:28
handsofstone wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 15:12 Sandy Saddler vs Flash Elorde 2


Saddler stops Elorde on a cut in the 13th round to retain his World Featherweight title, Elorde had outpointed Saddler over 10 in a non title bout a few months previous so this time Saddler defended his title and he was very lucky to win via cut because fir the most part Elorde schooled him, Saddler barely won any of the first 10 rounds and was outboxed and outfought by the younger smaller Elorde

Elorde was far too quick and sharp for Saddler who struggled to get into any sort of rhythm, his movement and southpaw style gave Saddler kittens all night, Elorde had the better jab, left hands, uppercuts through the middle then moving out of range to start the next phase of attack, now and again Elorde would burst into a dozen punch combo similar to a young Pacquiao

Saddler did cut the left eye of Elorde in the middle rounds and it worsened as the fight wore on, it wasn't until the ref called the doc over in the 10th for the first of 3 inspections did it galvanize Saddler into putting the pressure on as he mustve known he could get Elorde out of there and when the ref called the doc over for the third time in the 13th, it was waved off and Saddler retained his title via smash and grab
Brutally dirty performance from saddler.
As always, I'd only ever seen the 3rd and 4th Pep fights before and he was rough then too, first time ive seen Elorde, he could fight, great punch variety and took away Saddler's physical advantages, will def watch some more of him at some point
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DrDuke wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 06:02 Trevor Berbick vs Greg Page

On the first look, Page was trying to utilize a correct style agaist Berbick with his Ali-wannabe dancing and outfighting, but Page wasn't doing enough from that range and furthermore he was failing to avoid Berbick's noticeable punches, when Berbick tried to spurt from time to time. Early in the fight Page was even stunned and was saved by the ropes from falling down, it could have easily been ruled as a KD. So, with the amount of available rounds it could be seen, that Berbick did more for the victory and fairly got it.
Not to take anything away from Trevor, he did win the fight, but something was wrong with Greg beside the broken thumb. Page wasn't doing too badly up until a certain point in the 2nd, where.Berbick went to the body and Page reacted real slowly and then he got swarmed. Page slipped on a spot in his corner and almost went down. Maybe he lost the weight too fast, but he wasn't right.
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Nile4000 wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 20:19
DrDuke wrote: 08 Jan 2019, 06:02 Trevor Berbick vs Greg Page

On the first look, Page was trying to utilize a correct style agaist Berbick with his Ali-wannabe dancing and outfighting, but Page wasn't doing enough from that range and furthermore he was failing to avoid Berbick's noticeable punches, when Berbick tried to spurt from time to time. Early in the fight Page was even stunned and was saved by the ropes from falling down, it could have easily been ruled as a KD. So, with the amount of available rounds it could be seen, that Berbick did more for the victory and fairly got it.
Not to take anything away from Trevor, he did win the fight, but something was wrong with Greg beside the broken thumb. Page wasn't doing too badly up until a certain point in the 2nd, where.Berbick went to the body and Page reacted real slowly and then he got swarmed. Page slipped on a spot in his corner and almost went down. Maybe he lost the weight too fast, but he wasn't right.
Yeah, he started confidently, but after nearly being knocked down his confidence somehow disappeared.
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Ruben Olivares vs Chucho Castillo II. What a great fight! Olivares one of my all time favs. Lost on cuts (from 1st round clash of heads), but it was a hellava fight! Maybe best of the three between these two.
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oogiebe wrote: 11 Jan 2019, 12:17 Ruben Olivares vs Chucho Castillo II. What a great fight! Olivares one of my all time favs. Lost on cuts (from 1st round clash of heads), but it was a hellava fight! Maybe best of the three between these two.
I think because Olivares was forced to fight more frantically and Castillo had learned a lot from the first fight it was ven better. The first one is great as hell too but Olivares puts a lot of rounds together back to back in that one whereas this is back and forth. Both wonderful fights. I've never been able to pin down fight III which is strange considering it was the same venue, the same network, the same fighters and the same time. I saw a short highlight clip of about 3 minutes once and that's it. Olivares reportedly dominated that fight behind his boxing skills outside of a knockdown he suffered.
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 11 Jan 2019, 13:13
oogiebe wrote: 11 Jan 2019, 12:17 Ruben Olivares vs Chucho Castillo II. What a great fight! Olivares one of my all time favs. Lost on cuts (from 1st round clash of heads), but it was a hellava fight! Maybe best of the three between these two.
I think because Olivares was forced to fight more frantically and Castillo had learned a lot from the first fight it was ven better. The first one is great as hell too but Olivares puts a lot of rounds together back to back in that one whereas this is back and forth. Both wonderful fights. I've never been able to pin down fight III which is strange considering it was the same venue, the same network, the same fighters and the same time. I saw a short highlight clip of about 3 minutes once and that's it. Olivares reportedly dominated that fight behind his boxing skills outside of a knockdown he suffered.
To be honest, I wanted to see the first fight and couldn't find it, as I'd rather see Olivares winning! (I admit I'm biased). Haven't searched out full-fight for III yet, but based on your post, I shouldn't bang my head. Olivares/Chacon were mostly fun as well.
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oogiebe wrote: 11 Jan 2019, 13:20
chrisjs1985 wrote: 11 Jan 2019, 13:13
oogiebe wrote: 11 Jan 2019, 12:17 Ruben Olivares vs Chucho Castillo II. What a great fight! Olivares one of my all time favs. Lost on cuts (from 1st round clash of heads), but it was a hellava fight! Maybe best of the three between these two.
I think because Olivares was forced to fight more frantically and Castillo had learned a lot from the first fight it was ven better. The first one is great as hell too but Olivares puts a lot of rounds together back to back in that one whereas this is back and forth. Both wonderful fights. I've never been able to pin down fight III which is strange considering it was the same venue, the same network, the same fighters and the same time. I saw a short highlight clip of about 3 minutes once and that's it. Olivares reportedly dominated that fight behind his boxing skills outside of a knockdown he suffered.
To be honest, I wanted to see the first fight and couldn't find it, as I'd rather see Olivares winning! (I admit I'm biased). Haven't searched out full-fight for III yet, but based on your post, I shouldn't bang my head. Olivares/Chacon were mostly fun as well.
The first fight should be on Youtube. If you can't find it let me know and I'll upload it.

Olivares is one of my favorites too. Have you seen his absolute WAR with Kanazawa? That's my favorite fight of his and his best performance was the Rose one.
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