Luis Ortiz vs. Christian Hammer - March 2, 2019

[oogiebe]

There is nothing seriously wrong with this matchup. Of course I think Ortiz will win, but HOW he wins will be telling. Hammer is tough and has been around, and we don't know what Ortiz has left at his age, do we? I say TKO late for Ortiz, but it is certainly not a shvt fight. Maybe after this and the Joyce/Stiverne fight (that one is shvt), we can get Ortiz/Joyce.

[Enlightened-One]

Hammer is better than most of that list, Noone on that list survives the distance with Povetkin. it was a terrible fight but he hammer made it 12 rounds with pov, so getting hammer out of there will earn some respect, mabey not in the states but in euro, and realy, thats where he needs to gain some respect, he already has in in the US.

Is your evaluation of Christian Hammer based solely on his survival against Alexander Povetkin? That seems to be the common theme in this thread.

Why are you still typing? You just got exposed blah, blah, blah..., ffs. If I were that ignorant, I'd have deleted my profile and stopped posting. You're much too stupid for that, though.

Stop trolling my posts and spamming me with insults, because you're contaminating the forum with nonsense and affecting others. Send me as many nasty private messages as you'd like instead.

[oogiebe]

Is your evaluation of Christian Hammer based solely on his survival against Alexander Povetkin? That seems to be the common theme in this thread.

Why are you still typing? You just got exposed blah, blah, blah..., ffs. If I were that ignorant, I'd have deleted my profile and stopped posting. You're much too stupid for that, though.

Stop trolling my posts and spamming me with insults, because you're contaminating the forum with nonsense and affecting others. Send me as many nasty private messages as you'd like instead.

Yeah...that is getting kind of creepy...

[Cent0089]

Ortiz got this Should be a good fight maybe

[Deleted_Scenes]

If you feel that Christian Hammer is better than the majority of the heavyweights competing today, then that’s fine by me. We clearly disagree and there’s nothing wrong with that. We’re all entitled to opinions and I feel it’s good that most of us don’t robotically think precisely the same way.

I don't think anyone is claiming that. There are at least 10 heavyweights better than Hammer (not even including the top 3) that Ortiz could fight instead. All I'm saying, is that only 2 of them are on that PBC list you posted. The rest are utter garbage.

At least Hammer has recently taken Povetkin the distance (albeit in embarrassing fashion). A dominant KO, or a less than stellar decision, does at least tell us something about Ortiz. Beating up Andy Ruiz doesn't.

It amazes me to see fans of certain fighters defend the calibre of opposition they’re preferred boxers are facing, especially when other people claim their guys are merely fighting journeyman, such as those that aggressively argued that Vanes Martirosyan was a really good middleweight when he was named as GGG’s opponent during Cinco De Mayo weekend 2018.

We’re now seeing the same thing with Christian Hammer. Nobody previously discussed the German journeyman’s talents in this forum prior to his bout being announced against the Cuban, but suddenly Luis Ortiz’s fans are saying that he’s better than the vast majority than the entire PBC roster.

People are entitled to their opinions and that’s fine. It’s just a really strange phenomena that I’ve observed that’s supported by the posts that have been submitted to this forum.

For the record, a fight between Luis Ortiz and Andy Ruiz Jr. is far more prestigious and relevant to the world scene than the Cuban’s upcoming bout against the journeyman, Christian Hammer.

Hammer is rubbish, don't get me wrong. Ortiz should be aiming higher, I agree.

If you'd have posted the following list, I would have agreed with you totally:

Povetkin
Whyte
Pulev
Parker
Miller
Breazeale
Kownacki
Chisora

It's just the suggestion that the likes of Martin, Ruiz, Arreola, Washington, Rivas and Szpilka would have been more worthy that I disagree with. Of that list, only Ruiz and Arreola have ever been on a higher level than Hammer is now (and I know that's a low bar to aim for). Arreola is totally shot, and yes, Ruiz lost rounds to a relic who usually just gets fed to prospects these days. He's not the same fighter that fought on even terms with Parker.

Curious to know why you named Rivas too. I know he was pretty highly touted at one point, but he's flattered to deceive against far worse fodder than even Hammer has been fighting. Yes, people know who Martin, Washington and Szpilka are, but only for getting separated from their senses by actual top level fighters. Is that enough these days?

[Lackeos]

I've always thought Christian Hammer was underrated. But he's not going to prove it in this fight, because he's no match for Ortiz.