Important note: If for example Rivas gets voted #13 and Jennings gets removed from the list it means that Rivas will be ranked above the current #13 Dereck Chisora and due to removal of Jennings from the list he will be automatically moved to #12. I hope that how it works is now clear to everyone.
Last edited by dagilechia on 19 Jan 2019, 10:32, edited 1 time in total.
The ranking of the trainers of the BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking fighters:
1. Robert McCracken
2. Ben Davison
3. Jay Deas
4. Mark Tibbs
5. Ivan Kirpa
6. Herman Caicedo
7 Otto Ramin
8. Harry Keitt
9. Kevin Barry
10. Manny Robles
11. John David Jackson
12. Keith Trimble
13. Don Charles
14. Pedro Diaz
15. Youssef Ramadan
Rivas into 11 for me. A win over Jennings is better than anything Kownacki has done (and a win over Washington wouldn't change that either). Jennings drops out the top 15.
oogiebe wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 11:47
(Current Ranking; fighter; last ranking)
1.Anthony Joshua 1
2.Tyson Fury 2
3.Deontay Wilder 3
4.Dillian Whyte 4
5.Luis Ortiz 5
6.Alexander Povetkin 6
7.Jarrell Miller 7
8.Kubrat Pulev 9
9.Joseph Parker 8
10.Adam Kownacki 10
11. Oscar Rivas Not rated
12.Dominic Breazeale 12
13.Filip HrgoviΔ 14
14.Sergey Kuzmin Not rated
15.Christian Hammer Not rated
this vote is invalid as you rank Rivas below Kownacki but above Breazeale who is above Kownacki on our list
I thought the rankings were a compilation. If I have to comply to the overall rankings, how is that a compilation? I'm confused. I kept both of those fighters in the same position as I did last time.
oogiebe wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 11:47
(Current Ranking; fighter; last ranking)
1.Anthony Joshua 1
2.Tyson Fury 2
3.Deontay Wilder 3
4.Dillian Whyte 4
5.Luis Ortiz 5
6.Alexander Povetkin 6
7.Jarrell Miller 7
8.Kubrat Pulev 9
9.Joseph Parker 8
10.Adam Kownacki 10
11. Oscar Rivas Not rated
12.Dominic Breazeale 12
13.Filip HrgoviΔ 14
14.Sergey Kuzmin Not rated
15.Christian Hammer Not rated
this vote is invalid as you rank Rivas below Kownacki but above Breazeale who is above Kownacki on our list
I thought the rankings were a compilation. If I have to comply to the overall rankings, how is that a compilation? I'm confused. I kept both of those fighters in the same position as I did last time.
don't you think that it doesn't makes sense to post a top 15 again after every fight? and that making changes and removing or adding fighters that didn't fought since the last voting doesn't make sense? i told before that the ranking will be voted now in different formula, the one known from the jezzamundo's ranking. posting top 15 again and again would probably make people bored in a quick time.
dagilechia wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 12:28
don't you think that it doesn't makes sense to post a top 15 again after every fight? and that making changes and removing or adding fighters that didn't fought since the last voting doesn't make sense? i told before that the ranking will be voted now in different formula, the one known from the jezzamundo's ranking. posting top 15 again and again would probably make people bored in a quick time.
So if I only can move the fighters who fought. Rivas to 11. Jennings out. I thought we went through the whole thing again. Something's not sitting right ,but I'll comply. I feel like this skews individuality of the rankings.
dagilechia wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 12:28
don't you think that it doesn't makes sense to post a top 15 again after every fight? and that making changes and removing or adding fighters that didn't fought since the last voting doesn't make sense? i told before that the ranking will be voted now in different formula, the one known from the jezzamundo's ranking. posting top 15 again and again would probably make people bored in a quick time.
So if I only can move the fighters who fought. Rivas to 11. Jennings out. I thought we went through the whole thing again. Something's not sitting right ,but I'll comply. I feel like this skews individuality of the rankings.
i have no problem with using the previous method again but i doubt that other posters would like it to be honest
dagilechia wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 12:28
don't you think that it doesn't makes sense to post a top 15 again after every fight? and that making changes and removing or adding fighters that didn't fought since the last voting doesn't make sense? i told before that the ranking will be voted now in different formula, the one known from the jezzamundo's ranking. posting top 15 again and again would probably make people bored in a quick time.
So if I only can move the fighters who fought. Rivas to 11. Jennings out. I thought we went through the whole thing again. Something's not sitting right ,but I'll comply. I feel like this skews individuality of the rankings.
i have no problem with using the previous method again but i doubt that other posters would like it to be honest
Take a poll. This method forces everyone's rankings to comply with original overall rankings. It ensures no movement in rankings for fighters who didn't fight, but posters may want to re-rank them for other reasons, as I did.
I'd prefer to vote on an entire new top 15 each time. It gives people chance to drop fighters for inactivity/poor opponent selection, as well as giving new voters the chance to have input on the entire rankings, instead of being stuck with whatever those who voted in the original rankings thought at the time.
In the current system, I'd slot Rivas in between Chisora and Hrgovic, and kick Jennings out.
Reasoning: Chisora has fought on even terms with Whyte (ranked 4 on this list, 6 on my own) twice, whatever the end result was, and I also rated Takam higher before he fought Chisora than I ranked Jennings before he fought Rivas.
How do you put Jennings and Breazeale above Kownacki? That's insane to me. Rivas is probably bottom top 15 with this. I'd have him under Kownacki. Jennings is Rivas' sole good win, and his performance was awful. Kownacki's resume is a bit deeper with Martin and Szpilka. If he beats Washington, I think it's no argument.
jennings won pretty much every round vs szpilka and ko'd him, i think its fairly close, stopping jennings is a better win then anything kownackis done imo
oogiebe and Deleted Scenes - what about a mixed system - this kind of voting as now after every fight of top 15 fighter + voting the whole list every 2-3 months?
Mexi-Box wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 16:18
How do you put Jennings and Breazeale above Kownacki? That's insane to me. Rivas is probably bottom top 15 with this. I'd have him under Kownacki. Jennings is Rivas' sole good win, and his performance was awful. Kownacki's resume is a bit deeper with Martin and Szpilka. If he beats Washington, I think it's no argument.
if you ask me, i don't, i rank Kownacki at #10, Breazeale at #11 and i had Jennings at #13, the list above is a result of voting made by me and 19 other posters.
Mexi-Box wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 16:18
How do you put Jennings and Breazeale above Kownacki? That's insane to me. Rivas is probably bottom top 15 with this. I'd have him under Kownacki. Jennings is Rivas' sole good win, and his performance was awful. Kownacki's resume is a bit deeper with Martin and Szpilka. If he beats Washington, I think it's no argument.
if you ask me, i don't, i rank Kownacki at #10, Breazeale at #11 and i had Jennings at #13, the list above is a result of voting made by me and 19 other posters.
dagilechia wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 12:28
don't you think that it doesn't makes sense to post a top 15 again after every fight? and that making changes and removing or adding fighters that didn't fought since the last voting doesn't make sense? i told before that the ranking will be voted now in different formula, the one known from the jezzamundo's ranking. posting top 15 again and again would probably make people bored in a quick time.
So if I only can move the fighters who fought. Rivas to 11. Jennings out. I thought we went through the whole thing again. Something's not sitting right ,but I'll comply. I feel like this skews individuality of the rankings.
i have no problem with using the previous method again but i doubt that other posters would like it to be honest
You are using the previous method. It was always just the fighters that fought and that's a fair way to do it. Rivas to 15, Jennings out.
dagilechia wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 16:23
oogiebe and Deleted Scenes - what about a mixed system - this kind of voting as now after every fight of top 15 fighter + voting the whole list every 2-3 months?
Kownackis best win was a slugfest with the butt of jokes around here. The obsession with him on here is bizarre. I don't rate him top 15 at all.
dagilechia wrote: β19 Jan 2019, 16:23
oogiebe and Deleted Scenes - what about a mixed system - this kind of voting as now after every fight of top 15 fighter + voting the whole list every 2-3 months?
That's not a terrible idea. So fighters by fight; and quarterly overall 15. I like that.
Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 0 0 - 29 I 6'6''/198cm I 82''/208cm I 245lbs/111,2kg - next fight: 13.4.2019 v TBA
Deontay Wilder - 40(39) 0 1 - 33 I 6'7''/201cm I 83''/211cm I 212,5lbs/96,4kg - next fight: TBA
Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - 39 I 6'2''/188cm I 75''/191cm I 222lbs/100,7kg - next fight: TBA
Luis Ortiz - 30(26) 1(1) 0 - 39 I 6'4''/193cm I 78''/198cm I 241lbs/109,3kg - next fight: 2.3.2019 v 
Christian Hammer
Kubrat Pulev - 26(13) 1(1) 0 - 37 I 6'4,5''/194cm I 80''/203cm I 240,5lbs/109,1kg - next fight: TBA
Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - 27 I 6'4/193cm I 76''/193cm I 240,5lbs/109,2kg - next fight: TBA
Adam Kownacki - 18(14) 0 0 - 29 I 6'3''/191cm I 76''/193cm I 263lbs/119,4kg - next fight: 26.1.2019 v 
Filip HrgoviΔ - 7(5) 0 0 - 26 I 6'6''/198cm I 80''/203cm I 232,5lbs/105,5kg - next fight: TBA
Agit Kabayel - 18(13) 0 0 - 26 I 6'3''/191cm I 76''/193cm I 236,5lbs/107,3kg - next fight: TBA
Γscar Rivas' (unranked) KO 12 win over 
