Hot from the court - Jail for Hamed

Boxingmad · Post by **Boxingmad** » 16 May 2006, 21:17

shoutout2u wrote:havent really followed the case much, but when i read today on fightnews.com how the victim still cannot even walk & his life has been drastically changed, yet hamed walked away from the wreck without so much as an inquiry as to how the guy is doing...it's make me glad that the princess will actually do some time behind bars!! the shallow, lacking-in-character clown we saw in the ring was just the tip of the iceberg on what this loser is really like outside the ring!!

Hear hear. That piece of shit sneered at and looked down on almost everyone with just utter contempt. He showed no remorse to the guy who was injured (he is now f****d for life) and Hamed, like the coward he really is legged it from the scene of the crash. He had all the God-given talent in the world, but abused it and ruined his career slowly but surely. I saw all of the Hamed lads in Reading in 1997 for a Ryan Rhodes fight, and they were rude, arrogant and vile, and anyone who dared walk near the seat where Naz had been sitting were verbally abused. They took after their brother definately.

Good riddance to him. Maybe he'll learn from his stint inside, but I doubt it.

E · Post by E » 17 May 2006, 05:22

Boxingmad wrote:
shoutout2u wrote:havent really followed the case much, but when i read today on fightnews.com how the victim still cannot even walk & his life has been drastically changed, yet hamed walked away from the wreck without so much as an inquiry as to how the guy is doing...it's make me glad that the princess will actually do some time behind bars!! the shallow, lacking-in-character clown we saw in the ring was just the tip of the iceberg on what this loser is really like outside the ring!!
Hear hear. That piece of shit sneered at and looked down on almost everyone with just utter contempt. He showed no remorse to the guy who was injured (he is now f****d for life) and Hamed, like the coward he really is legged it from the scene of the crash. He had all the God-given talent in the world, but abused it and ruined his career slowly but surely. I saw all of the Hamed lads in Reading in 1997 for a Ryan Rhodes fight, and they were rude, arrogant and vile, and anyone who dared walk near the seat where Naz had been sitting were verbally abused. They took after their brother definately.

Good riddance to him. Maybe he'll learn from his stint inside, but I doubt it.

Exactly he is an arrogant, sneering dwarf. The guy that was hit went through so much emotional and physical pain and his body is effectively ruined for life. 7 1/2 months in an open prison??????? Did the judge even order him to pay compensation?

I hope the civil case yields a good pay out for the man.

What a joke.....I know Barrera did a number on him, but he didn't knock him out. I hope fatty Hamed comes back as a light welter and fights Ricky Hatton. Now THAT would be a pay-per-view event I would pay £100 for..........

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 May 2006, 06:29

Hamed never had any intention of fighting again, he was just trying to sway the decision in this case no doubt about that. He has lost no weight in the last 12 months despite carrying on about a supposed comeback.

E · Post by E » 17 May 2006, 07:12

nickd wrote:Hamed never had any intention of fighting again, he was just trying to sway the decision in this case no doubt about that. He has lost no weight in the last 12 months despite carrying on about a supposed comeback.

Right - but one can live in hope...... you never know with big egos.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 17 May 2006, 08:05

For the record (and no way am I defending him - if you look back I said from day one he should have the book thrown at him), in court (as you might well understand) he was as remorseful as one can be - via his statement that is.

He held his hands up. The tactic was to say how guilty and sorry he was, admit full culpability, etc. His barrister basically said - throw the book at him, give him everything you can - apart from a custodial.

They also said in court (no idea whether it's true) that Hamed wanted to go and see the victim to apologise but his brief told him not to as it could be misconstrued.

Another tack was to say that he 'does a lot of work for charity, doesn't like to talk about it' which was actually borne out to some degree.

It was notable though that the judge said that he pleaded guilty at an early stage...but not the earliest.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 May 2006, 08:08

When did he last do any charity work? I'm sure he hasn't done any in a long time or he'd have made sure it was all over the papers.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 May 2006, 08:15

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:For the record (and no way am I defending him - if you look back I said from day one he should have the book thrown at him), in court (as you might well understand) he was as remorseful as one can be - via his statement that is.

He held his hands up. The tactic was to say how guilty and sorry he was, admit full culpability, etc. His barrister basically said - throw the book at him, give him everything you can - apart from a custodial.

They also said in court (no idea whether it's true) that Hamed wanted to go and see the victim to apologise but his brief told him not to as it could be misconstrued.

Another tack was to say that he 'does a lot of work for charity, doesn't like to talk about it' which was actually borne out to some degree.

It was notable though that the judge said that he pleaded guilty at an early stage...but not the earliest.

Thanks for that Ian, that's what I suspected. In lots of cases the defended is advised not to speak directly to the plaintiff to apologise, as it can lead to further problems. I mean if someone smashed my legs to fukkery and came over to say sorry, I doubt I'm going to say

"Thanks for that, don't hold yourself responsible."

It would be more like

"SORRY! fornicating SORRY! IS THAT GOING TO FIX MY LEGS NOW THAT ONE IS SHORTER THAN THE OTHER, OR HELP MY WIFE WHO IS SCARED SHITLESS OF TRAVELLING BY CAR NOW. PHUCK OFF YOU JUG EARED MIDGET BEFORE I WRAP MY CRUTCH AROUND YOU FAT CHINNED NECK!"

I'm happy to see that Hamed has been dealth with Harshly, but turning him into the devil incarnate is ridiculous.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 17 May 2006, 09:01

nickd wrote:When did he last do any charity work? I'm sure he hasn't done any in a long time or he'd have made sure it was all over the papers.

That's the thing, Nick. I would have agreed with you before Friday. But there is plenty of evidence that he has done charitable acts without shouting from the rooftops.

Not that it matters when you smash someone to fornicate, I suppose. A big stance was to show that he ISN'T the boxing persona he created to sell tickets in real life.

To be fair, the incarcerated one was all right when I met him. But he is almost universally disliked in Sheffield - and that's his home town, for goodness sake.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 May 2006, 09:22

Yes, but a lot of that is probably envy Ian. Let's be honest, a lot of working class northerners (who are going to be the bulk of boxing fans in Sheffield) aren't going to take well to stinking rich, cocky, Yemeni born muslim spouting about Allah now are they?

I'm pretty sure that Hamed is fairly different to his ring persona, christ, I mean someone who acted like a nob like that all the time wouldn't have any friends. Braggadocia, bravura and bombast are tools copied since the days of John L Sullivan bragging about 'licking any man in the house' etc. It shifts tickets, and creates resentment in equal measure. John L Sullivan, popular as he was, was also hated by a large number of people in his early career, as was Muhammad Ali, as was Eubank, and Naz too.

Without his persona, Hamed would only have been of minor interest outside of boxing circles, as it was his big mouth and cocky demeanour brought him riches, and enriched boxing further afield too.

I've never met the guy personally, and so cannot comment on what a nice guy he is, but sometimes it's worth trying to look beyond the most common perception.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 17 May 2006, 09:57

I know exactly what you are saying mate.

However, he used to regularly hold court around Sheffield with a big entourage and act like a prick.

Part of it is envy, sure. But in Sheffield, as in a lot of places, most people take you as they find you.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 17 May 2006, 10:07

I think a lot of the dislike towards Hamed has to do with the fact that he did become very big headed out of the ring and believed his own hype.... also many took a dim view of the way he ditched Ingle....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 May 2006, 10:08

It strikes me that Hamed is probably your classic mouthy showoff, the more people are around him, the bigger the dick he acts. I've spoken to a couple of people who said that on his own he is a different person, that it's all a front.

Mind you, hard to forget Eubank threatening to 'tttthlappp' him after Hamed started giving it the big one for no apparent reason at an airport. That would have been a very brief fight with Hamed having several trips to the dentist shortly afterward.

I'm brought to mind of Calzaghe actually. I was speaking to this Welsh bloke in my local a few weeks back, and I asked him whether Calzaghe was popular in Wales, to which he replied 'not really.'

I said that I suspected that his screen persona was 'too flash' for your average down to earth welshman, who likes his sportsmen to be hard, tough and not give it the big one. He said that that was it, and that the working class masses (of which Wales still has plenty, especially in it's heartlands) didn't take well to Joe's on screen preening and his apparent arrogance.

However, in Hamed's case, he did it so well, that a lot of people turned up to see him get his railings smashed in, though they left dissapointed each time. With Joe, they just don't find him descpicable enough, and I don't know that it's really in Calzaghe's nature all the swagger and big talk before fights.

Gotta love his talk between rounds though...made me laugh when I heard it.

"Heeeees' fukkin rrrrrrubish, eeee cannn' punch for shiiiiiiit!"

Hoho, nice one!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 17 May 2006, 10:22

Joe is unfortunate in the fact that he is quietly arrogant... if he was more charasmatic, and entertaining then his 'arrogance' would be taken better and if he was quietly modest, like say Colin Jones, he'd be more popular... but as it is he's seems to be a strange combination that people find it hard to take to...

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 17 May 2006, 10:30

never met Naz so cannot comment, but met Joe a few times and he was a very down to earth guy.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 May 2006, 10:41

My guess is that Joe isn't that comfortable in front of Camera being interviewed, and comes across badly, I don't think he's the sort who wants to be interviewed and such like, and in fact, thinking about it seldom does interviews.

In the ring is his domain, and that's enough for me.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 17 May 2006, 12:48

Whilst on the subject of fighters being popular in their own town/country.

Through work over the years I have met hundreds of people from Ghana. When I mention Azumah Nelson they almost always smile with pride and tell me how popular he was and still is in Ghana.

I then like to tell them that Azumah is very well liked and respecting amongst UK fight fans.

Anyway, many of these people from Ghana have said the reasons that Azumah is so popular to this day is because.

(1) He was a great fighter.
(2) He is quiet and humble.

Owain · Post by **Owain** » 17 May 2006, 13:09

nickd wrote:When did he last do any charity work? I'm sure he hasn't done any in a long time or he'd have made sure it was all over the papers.

In no way, shape or form am I defending Hamed but I have to say that when we started an appeal to build a statue of Johnny Owen, in Merthyr, Hamed was one of the first to contribute memorabilia to be auctioned. He gave us a lovely pair of autographed, white leather gloves (not just any old tat). We raised almost a grand with the gloves alone. So he probably does do charity work but keeps it quiet.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 18 May 2006, 05:11

knockout wrote:never met Naz so cannot comment, but met Joe a few times and he was a very down to earth guy.

Likewise

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 May 2006, 05:26

KOJOE90 wrote:Whilst on the subject of fighters being popular in their own town/country.

Through work over the years I have met hundreds of people from Ghana. When I mention Azumah Nelson they almost always smile with pride and tell me how popular he was and still is in Ghana.

I then like to tell them that Azumah is very well liked and respecting amongst UK fight fans.

Anyway, many of these people from Ghana have said the reasons that Azumah is so popular to this day is because.

(1) He was a great fighter.
(2) He is quiet and humble.

He wasn't that quiet when he was calling McGuigan out!