Joe Joyce vs. Bermane Stiverne - February 23, 2019

[Onetimeonly]

Stiverne is shot to bits. If this takes over 2 rounds for Joyce I'll be questioning if he is a possible contender or not

I don't ever see Joyce as a serious contender. Shockingly slow hands.

Why? Just because he's painfully slow and wide open? It won't be this fight, but as soon as Joyce fights a decent boxer, he'll be exposed for what he is. A slower version of Big John Tate.

I don't watch amatuer boxing anymore and I'm shocked how poor he looks. Really want to see him and breazeale.

[oogiebe]

I don't ever see Joyce as a serious contender. Shockingly slow hands.

Why? Just because he's painfully slow and wide open? It won't be this fight, but as soon as Joyce fights a decent boxer, he'll be exposed for what he is. A slower version of Big John Tate.

I don't watch amatuer boxing anymore and I'm shocked how poor he looks. Really want to see him and breazeale.

Much as I don't like Breazeale, his skills would be too much for Joyce. Joyce always has a punchers chance, but again, I think he'd be exposed here. Joyce looks the same in every fight. Walks down opponent, and throws wide slow punches in bunches, exposing his own chin. It looks like any decent counter-puncher could take full advantage of him. Hasn't fought anyone who posed any threat to him at all (somone who'll punch back). At 33, he better step it up...if he can.

[jamamb]

lol breazeales skills?

[oogiebe]

lol breazeales skills?

Again, as bad as Breazeale is, and I've been clear of my thoughts on him, Joyce would be exposed.

[jamamb]

what skills are you talking about? breazeale is all heart and strength

[Onetimeonly]

I thought he was joking.

[oogiebe]

Certainly he has skill. That doesn't mean he has great skills, or even good skills. Breazeale has more skill than Joyce. Basic boxing skills. Are his skills his best asset? No, his ability to absorb punches and his power are his best assets and that is what he has been surviving on.

[jamamb]

i just dont see it, there both cavemen boxerw

[KiwiRider]

So how many beersies could you down and still follow the "action "?
Both guys slow as molasses, I reckon an easy 6-8 no problem.
Sober I think I could watch it on 2x speed, probably be quite a good fight like that.

[funso banjo baby]

will it be the same Stiverne who was guaranteed to dive as soon as he could in the second (and totally unwarranted) Don King rematch against Wilder?

Stiverne's stock is as low as Malik Scott now.

I take flyweight-punching Joyce to score a spectacular first round ko without even landing.

[KiwiRider]

will it be the same Stiverne who was guaranteed to dive as soon as he could in the second (and totally unwarranted) Don King rematch against Wilder?

Stiverne's stock is as low as Malik Scott now.

I take flyweight-punching Joyce to score a spectacular first round ko without even landing.

Ya never know, he might still want to win. I wrote off Charles Martin after AJ as a fake champion, then he had a good go at Kownacki- still lost- but my opinion of him rose a lot afterwards.
Maybe Stiverne still has something left to show us. If not, well, he's done isn't he..

[pound per pound]

How much is Stiverne getting paid to lie down? The dude went in there to lose vs. Wilder. That fight stunk from the moment his ring walk started.

I hope Joyce lands a good one for BS quits.

[oogiebe]

How much is Stiverne getting paid to lie down? The dude went in there to lose vs. Wilder. That fight stunk from the moment his ring walk started.

I hope Joyce lands a good one for BS quits.

Whatever it is, it's too much, I'm sure of that.

[Ruthless-RKO]

How much is Stiverne getting paid to lie down? The dude went in there to lose vs. Wilder. That fight stunk from the moment his ring walk started.

I hope Joyce lands a good one for BS quits.

Whatever it is, it's too much, I'm sure of that.

He’s gonna get less than $100k for sure.

[candyslim]

Stiverne is simply a name on Joyce's record. I'll be surprised if he survives into round three.

Since Wilder won the title Stiverne has only had two fights, getting off the canvas to scrape past Derric Rossy, and the demolition by Wilder in the rematch. Mind you as Caldo pointed out, it was for the opening six seconds, a very competitive fight

It seems to me his whole reputation derives from his two wins over Chris Arreola whose impressive toughness is pretty much his only attribute as a fighter.

Hopefully Stiverne will call it quits after and I'll never again find myself saying "Berman. It's pronounced Berman not frickin Ber-mayne"

[oogiebe]

Stiverne is simply a name on Joyce's record. I'll be surprised if he survives into round three.

Since Wilder won the title Stiverne has only had two fights, getting off the canvas to scrape past Derric Rossy, and the demolition by Wilder in the rematch. Mind you as Caldo pointed out, it was for the opening six seconds, a very competitive fight

It seems to me his whole reputation derives from his two wins over Chris Arreola whose impressive toughness is pretty much his only attribute as a fighter.

Hopefully Stiverne will call it quits after and I'll never again find myself saying "Berman. It's pronounced Berman not frickin Ber-mayne"

I'm really perplexed at this choice. Joyce needs to step up and make a statement. "Berman" doesn't afford it. Even if (probably) Joyce gets the early KO, it does nothing for him. I'd rather see him go at it with Ortiz.

[candyslim]

So would I but would Ortiz?. If he's smart Ortiz will know Joyce represents a serious obstacle and by no means a guaranteed win. As a fighter of vast amateur experience and success at the highest level, Joyce is as big a threat as say Adam Kownacki, yet defeat by someone who has had only seven pro fights would be very embarrassing.

In terms of risk v reward Joe Joyce is distinctly unappealing and it's no surprise to me that he is reduced to taking a fight against the likes of Stiverne who has nothing to lose and might even recover some respect. What does Joyce have to offer Ortiz other than a very uncomfortable evening win or lose ?

[jamamb]

hes by far the most recognizable name on joyces record, theres at least that

[oogiebe]

So would I but would Ortiz?. If he's smart Ortiz will know Joyce represents a serious obstacle and by no means a guaranteed win. As a fighter of vast amateur experience and success at the highest level, Joyce is as big a threat as say Adam Kownacki, yet defeat by someone who has had only seven pro fights would be very embarrassing.

In terms of risk v reward Joe Joyce is distinctly unappealing and it's no surprise to me that he is reduced to taking a fight against the likes of Stiverne who has nothing to lose and might even recover some respect. What does Joyce have to offer Ortiz other than a very uncomfortable evening win or lose ?

I would like to see it, but it won't happen. As I said before, Joyce does really need to make a statement. I agree his background suggests a more developed fighter than his pro record would indicate. The clock's ticking. I hope his handlers have another more meaningful opponent in the mix for Joyce's subsequent fight. Kuzmin maybe.

[oogiebe]

hes by far the most recognizable name on joyces record, theres at least that

So there's that!

[tiny_acres]

hes by far the most recognizable name on joyces record, theres at least that

And I think that's the only reason the fight is being made. It will not help Joyce facing such a washed up fighter.
But the name looks real good on paper to people who don't follow the sport.
So many more interesting fights for Joyce that could help him develop. But I doubt we see them anytime soon

[candyslim]

I don't see Joyce developing at his age except maybe the amateur to pro transition / familiarization.

It's just a question of getting the right fights and maybe a crushing win over a former WBC Champion might open a door or two?

[oogiebe]

I don't see Joyce developing at his age except maybe the amateur to pro transition / familiarization. Yes

It's just a question of getting the right fights and maybe a crushing win over a former WBC Champion might open a door or two? No

[Onetimeonly]

So would I but would Ortiz?. If he's smart Ortiz will know Joyce represents a serious obstacle and by no means a guaranteed win. As a fighter of vast amateur experience and success at the highest level, Joyce is as big a threat as say Adam Kownacki, yet defeat by someone who has had only seven pro fights would be very embarrassing.

In terms of risk v reward Joe Joyce is distinctly unappealing and it's no surprise to me that he is reduced to taking a fight against the likes of Stiverne who has nothing to lose and might even recover some respect. What does Joyce have to offer Ortiz other than a very uncomfortable evening win or lose ?

I agree, Joyce and kownacki are both the same threat to the top guys. None

[candyslim]

Ortiz has the pedigree but at his age I don't think he could afford to take either of them lightly, stamina being not what it once was.