What Next for Adrian Broner?

[diddy]

Honestly who cares? Only reason this loser keeps getting big fights if everyone sucks up his antics outside the ring. He stinks. 0-4 against the top tier. And not 1 fight was close. Hell he didnt even beat Vargas or Ponce de Leon IMO. Christ, he barely even beat Paulie. Dude is just another decent fighter. Nothing more. Let him burn through these millions (give him about 40 days). Then lets stop talking about his average ass so he can GO AWAY and we can have real fights at the top of these divisions.

[KiwiRider]

If Broner got paid 2.5 mil on the weekend, that still leaves 47.5 mil left on his contract. I bet Floyd's lawyers are working furiously to find a loophole
After his current record of 1-2-1 how does his future earnings even touch that remaining money

[Enlightened-One]

The reason I started this thread was mainly regarding Broner's deal with TMT and Floyd;

$50 million for five fights dwarfs English promoter Eddie Hearn’s recent three fight offer to Broner on his new streaming service DAZN.

So Broner still has 4 fights left on this contract which was signed up mid '18. He can't fight anyone lowly, or a prospect and still get his $$$ because unless it's a name fighter, the money just isn't there.
Can Floyd weasle out?
Can Broner gain enough revenue from his potential future career to make this deal pay?
Who can he fight that makes this sort of money?
Please discuss

Adrien Broner was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. His resume is impressive!

‘The Problem’ has also consistently attracted some of Showtime’s biggest audience figures, despite not having defeated any high-profile opponent since his controversial split-decision victory over Paulie Malignaggi in 2013… and I feel it’s because of his notoriety, due to his activities outside the ring, coupled with his ability to promote fights, which compels people to watch his bouts. People want to see him lose... and lose badly!

Outside of the heavyweights, Adrien Broner’s bouts against Adrian Granados and Mikey Garcia attracted Showtime’s biggest viewership figures of 2017. The audience figure for The Problem’s contest against Granados proves that the calibre of opposition he faces doesn’t significantly affect Broner’s TV ratings.

I feel that it was inevitable for Adrien Broner to receive a huge TV network deal, because of the money he generates for the TV networks. Indeed, even Eddie Hearn tried to sign him to DAZN, but was outbid by Floyd Mayweather Jr.

In terms of the alleged $50m deal though, he’s either lied about it or he’s embellishing things somewhat, meaning that it’s likely to be based on-target earnings, so he receives certain bonuses when he achieves a specific set of milestones based on criteria, such as: gate receipts; PPV buys; TV audience figures etc.

So perhaps the most Broner can possibly expect to earn from his deal is $50m, but the actual guaranteed sums are far less than that (as I suspect that some of the targets he must achieve to realise the $50m sum are unrealistic).

I also suspect his contract with Mayweather Promotions includes clauses where any guaranteed sums for future bouts are eroded whenever he suffers losses, or if the TV viewership figures start declining.

Personally-speaking, I feel that Adrien Broner’s alleged $50m deal with Mayweather Promotions is legit, but he’s simply quoted the most optimistic figure he can possibly earn rather than the actual guaranteed sums.

There’s one thing we know for sure, this high-profile “bad boy” gatekeeper is going to continue being one of the most well-paid fighters in the sport, even if his run of poor form continues.

[KiwiRider]

The reason I started this thread was mainly regarding Broner's deal with TMT and Floyd;

$50 million for five fights dwarfs English promoter Eddie Hearn’s recent three fight offer to Broner on his new streaming service DAZN.

So Broner still has 4 fights left on this contract which was signed up mid '18. He can't fight anyone lowly, or a prospect and still get his $$$ because unless it's a name fighter, the money just isn't there.
Can Floyd weasle out?
Can Broner gain enough revenue from his potential future career to make this deal pay?
Who can he fight that makes this sort of money?
Please discuss

Adrien Broner was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. His resume is impressive!

‘The Problem’ has also consistently attracted some of Showtime’s biggest audience figures, despite not having defeated any high-profile opponent since his controversial split-decision victory over Paulie Malignaggi in 2013… and I feel it’s because of his notoriety, due to his activities outside the ring, coupled with his ability to promote fights, which compels people to watch his bouts. People want to see him lose... and lose badly!

Outside of the heavyweights, Adrien Broner’s bouts against Adrian Granados and Mikey Garcia attracted Showtime’s biggest viewership figures of 2017. The audience figure for The Problem’s contest against Granados proves that the calibre of opposition he faces doesn’t significantly affect Broner’s TV ratings.

I feel that it was inevitable for Adrien Broner to receive a huge TV network deal, because of the money he generates for the TV networks. Indeed, even Eddie Hearn tried to sign him to DAZN, but was outbid by Floyd Mayweather Jr.

In terms of the alleged $50m deal though, he’s either lied about it or he’s embellishing things somewhat, meaning that it’s likely to be based on-target earnings, so he receives certain bonuses when he achieves a specific set of milestones based on criteria, such as: gate receipts; PPV buys; TV audience figures etc.

So perhaps the most Broner can possibly expect to earn from his deal is $50m, but the actual guaranteed sums are far less than that (as I suspect that some of the targets he must achieve to realise the $50m sum are unrealistic).

I also suspect his contract with Mayweather Promotions includes clauses where any guaranteed sums for future bouts are eroded whenever he suffers losses, or if the TV viewership figures start declining.

Personally-speaking, I feel that Adrien Broner’s alleged $50m deal with Mayweather Promotions is legit, but he’s simply quoted the most optimistic figure he can possibly earn rather than the actual guaranteed sums.

There’s one thing we know for sure, this high-profile “bad boy” gatekeeper is going to continue being one of the most well-paid fighters in the sport, even if his run of poor form continues.

Thanks for that EO
Appreciated.
While I understand people want to see Broner beaten, when does his relevance slip to a point where they just don't care.
Going into the Pac fight, at least some people gave him a chance of a win. Now Pac is not really in the top 5 or 6 WW's these days, meaning to lose (rather badly) to him is not inspiring for where Broner stands in any rankings. Boxrec have dropped him to #14. No belt, no #1 contender. At what point do people lose interest in him?
Fighting a 40 year old Pac was a novelty ( a bit like the belt they were scrapping over) but when you lose 10 out of 12 rounds, and are so negative, who is going to give him a decent fight?

[Enlightened-One]

Thanks for that EO
Appreciated.

You're welcome.

While I understand people want to see Broner beaten, when does his relevance slip to a point where they just don't care.

I honestly don’t know the answer to that question. People were questioning Broner’s relevance after the Mikey Garcia loss, yet he’s still competing in big fights.

Broner is only 29 years of age and with the benefit of careful matchmaking, I feel he’s still capable of gaining another world title (perhaps a WBA regular version), possibly at 140lbs. Adrien clearly has the talent, but lacks motivation, drive and discipline - a general lack of effort! He’s good enough to score an upset if he can somehow regain his form and desire of old.

Perhaps Adrien’s popularity will decline if he refrains from engaging in a controversial lifestyle or if he eventually suffers a really bad KO loss to a journeyman? Who knows?

Going into the Pac fight, at least some people gave him a chance of a win. Now Pac is not really in the top 5 or 6 WW's these days, meaning to lose (rather badly) to him is not inspiring for where Broner stands in any rankings. Boxrec have dropped him to #14. No belt, no #1 contender. At what point do people lose interest in him?

I feel that Broner’s situation is the exception rather than the norm. It’s his notoriety, flamboyant behaviour and penchant to play the theatrical role of the WWE-like heel persona that is the secret of his commercial success rather than his sporting accomplishments/ability.

Adrien Broner will continue to engage in marquee bouts against elite-level opposition for as long as he’s able to continue attracting huge TV audience figures.

Fighting a 40 year old Pac was a novelty ( a bit like the belt they were scrapping over) but when you lose 10 out of 12 rounds, and are so negative, who is going to give him a decent fight?

I suspect Mayweather Promotions will perform some careful matchmaking to rebuild Broner’s reputation and then match him up against one of the top dogs at 147lbs, such as: Thurman, Spence Jr., Garcia or even Crawford. It’ll likely be a big enough event (commercially) to justify a Showtime or ESPN PPV. He’ll be used as a highly-lucrative sacrificial lamb against those guys. They’ll consider him a “low risk-ludicrously high return” type opponent!

I reckon that Mayweather Jr. may even consider orchestrating a 140lbs catchweight bout between Gervonta Davis and Adrien Broner at some point, which would be a passing-of-the-torch type affair between two of Floyd’s “guys”. I'd like to see that, since both guys were former besties that have recently engaged in a feud.

Therefore, I’m utterly convinced that Broner will continue engaging in marquee bouts for the foreseeable future, even if his sporting prowess and form doesn’t justify it. There’s clearly a lot money to be made from televising The Problem’s fights!

[danconnollyeire]

Hopefully this mouthy pudendum stops getting paydays. He's bang average, never beaten anyone world class... was only up a few rounds vs Theophane ffs. SD vs Adrian Granados (who?). SD vs Malignaggi (controversial)

[bigjack]

Hopefully this mouthy pudendum stops getting paydays. He's bang average, never beaten anyone world class... was only up a few rounds vs Theophane ffs. SD vs Adrian Granados (who?). SD vs Malignaggi (controversial)

He did take paulie's side piece though

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Adrien Broner was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. His resume is impressive!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that at the time when The Ring ratings were really just Chuck Giampa's own personal list? I know Broner's inclusion in the p4p list was massively controversial, and a lot of Ring journos openly disagreed with it. Nevertheless, he was ranked.

Also, in terms of statistics, his record looks impressive, but does it remain so if you actually look at who he fought, and the kinds of fights he was in? 4 division world champion, yes, but who did he beat to win those belts?

Vicente Rodriguez - vacant belt, terrible opponent.
Antonio De Marco - arguably the only standout win of Broner's career.
Paulie Malignaggi - faded/never elite opponent, controversial decision.
Khabib Allakhverdiev - vacant belt, poor opponent coming off a loss to Jessie Vargas.

Looking at the rest of his record, I can't really see anywhere else he's done anything impressive. Apart from De Marco, every high level opponent he's faced has beaten him.

You mentioned Granados as an example of weak opposition not affecting his ratings. Well, that weak opponent (with 4 losses on his record already, and living off one single victory over the chinny/overhyped Amir Imam) arguably deserved to get the 'W'. It was certainly a razor thin fight, whichever way you scored it.

Top level fighters don't go 50/50 with old Paulie and bang average Granados, while losing every single time they step up (above lightweight). He's also managed to pick up 4 losses (it arguably could have been 6), without ever fighting any of the elite 140 or 147 fighters (discounting Mikey, as he was coming up in weight).

Impressive? Not really. Just a firm reminder that you should always look further than raw statistics. He does draw numbers though, and as long as he continues to do that, he'll keep getting paid well, as you rightly said.

[Enlightened-One]

Adrien Broner was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. His resume is impressive!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that at the time when The Ring ratings were really just Chuck Giampa's own personal list? I know Broner's inclusion in the p4p list was massively controversial, and a lot of Ring journos openly disagreed with it. Nevertheless, he was ranked.

Also, in terms of statistics, his record looks impressive, but does it remain so if you actually look at who he fought, and the kinds of fights he was in? 4 division world champion, yes, but who did he beat to win those belts?

Vicente Rodriguez - vacant belt, terrible opponent.
Antonio De Marco - arguably the only standout win of Broner's career.
Paulie Malignaggi - faded/never elite opponent, controversial decision.
Khabib Allakhverdiev - vacant belt, poor opponent coming off a loss to Jessie Vargas.

Looking at the rest of his record, I can't really see anywhere else he's done anything impressive. Apart from De Marco, every high level opponent he's faced has beaten him.

You mentioned Granados as an example of weak opposition not affecting his ratings. Well, that weak opponent (with 4 losses on his record already, and living off one single victory over the chinny/overhyped Amir Imam) arguably deserved to get the 'W'. It was certainly a razor thin fight, whichever way you scored it.

Top level fighters don't go 50/50 with old Paulie and bang average Granados, while losing every single time they step up (above lightweight). He's also managed to pick up 4 losses (it arguably could have been 6), without ever fighting any of the elite 140 or 147 fighters (discounting Mikey, as he was coming up in weight).

Impressive? Not really. Just a firm reminder that you should always look further than raw statistics. He does draw numbers though, and as long as he continues to do that, he'll keep getting paid well, as you rightly said.

I’m not going to debate Adrien Broner’s sporting prowess, because I’ve already expressed my opinion about it. It seems that we’re generally on the same page about this point.

Technically-speaking, Broner’s resume is impressive, because he was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. These are facts.

The vast majority of fighters competing today cannot claim to possess a better resume than Adrien Broner. And this is something that cannot be refuted.

You’re dwelling on his sporting prowess and form, but it’s the commercial aspect of Adrien’s career is the reason why he’s able to regularly engage in marquee bouts.

As much as this might frustrate you, ‘The Problem’ has consistently attracted some of Showtime’s biggest audience figures, regardless of his lack of effort and dedication to the sport.

Outside of the heavyweights, Adrien Broner’s bouts against Adrian Granados and Mikey Garcia attracted Showtime’s biggest viewership figures of 2017.

The audience figure for The Problem’s contest against Granados proves that the calibre of opposition he faces doesn’t significantly affect Broner’s TV ratings. The outcome of the fight or how it played-out is totally irrelevant, since the executives at Showtime only really care about ratings.

Adrien Broner keeps attracting huge audience figures for Showtime and from a commercial perspective, that’s all that matters. There’s always going to be plenty of work for a polarising showman like 'The Problem'. And this won’t change until fight fans stop tuning in!

[paddy chavez]

Broner vs Khan seems a natural to me especially if Khan can do ok vs Crawford for a few RDS

[Enlightened-One]

Broner vs Khan seems a natural to me especially if Khan can do ok vs Crawford for a few RDS

Good pick! After the Crawford defeat, people would still watch Amir Khan’s future bouts against Kell Brook and Adrien Broner.

[ValMar]

Broner vs Khan seems a natural to me especially if Khan can do ok vs Crawford for a few RDS

Good pick! After the Crawford defeat, people would still watch Amir Khan’s future bouts against Kell Brook and Adrien Broner.

Yes !

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Adrien Broner was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. His resume is impressive!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that at the time when The Ring ratings were really just Chuck Giampa's own personal list? I know Broner's inclusion in the p4p list was massively controversial, and a lot of Ring journos openly disagreed with it. Nevertheless, he was ranked.

Also, in terms of statistics, his record looks impressive, but does it remain so if you actually look at who he fought, and the kinds of fights he was in? 4 division world champion, yes, but who did he beat to win those belts?

Vicente Rodriguez - vacant belt, terrible opponent.
Antonio De Marco - arguably the only standout win of Broner's career.
Paulie Malignaggi - faded/never elite opponent, controversial decision.
Khabib Allakhverdiev - vacant belt, poor opponent coming off a loss to Jessie Vargas.

Looking at the rest of his record, I can't really see anywhere else he's done anything impressive. Apart from De Marco, every high level opponent he's faced has beaten him.

You mentioned Granados as an example of weak opposition not affecting his ratings. Well, that weak opponent (with 4 losses on his record already, and living off one single victory over the chinny/overhyped Amir Imam) arguably deserved to get the 'W'. It was certainly a razor thin fight, whichever way you scored it.

Top level fighters don't go 50/50 with old Paulie and bang average Granados, while losing every single time they step up (above lightweight). He's also managed to pick up 4 losses (it arguably could have been 6), without ever fighting any of the elite 140 or 147 fighters (discounting Mikey, as he was coming up in weight).

Impressive? Not really. Just a firm reminder that you should always look further than raw statistics. He does draw numbers though, and as long as he continues to do that, he'll keep getting paid well, as you rightly said.

I’m not going to debate Adrien Broner’s sporting prowess, because I’ve already expressed my opinion about it. It seems that we’re generally on the same page about this point.

Technically-speaking, Broner’s resume is impressive, because he was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING’s pound-for-pound ratings, he’s engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions (losing to four of them) and also captured world titles in four weight divisions. These are facts.

The vast majority of fighters competing today cannot claim to possess a better resume than Adrien Broner. And this is something that cannot be refuted.

You’re dwelling on his sporting prowess and form, but it’s the commercial aspect of Adrien’s career is the reason why he’s able to regularly engage in marquee bouts.

As much as this might frustrate you, ‘The Problem’ has consistently attracted some of Showtime’s biggest audience figures, regardless of his lack of effort and dedication to the sport.

Outside of the heavyweights, Adrien Broner’s bouts against Adrian Granados and Mikey Garcia attracted Showtime’s biggest viewership figures of 2017.

The audience figure for The Problem’s contest against Granados proves that the calibre of opposition he faces doesn’t significantly affect Broner’s TV ratings. The outcome of the fight or how it played-out is totally irrelevant, since the executives at Showtime only really care about ratings.

Adrien Broner keeps attracting huge audience figures for Showtime and from a commercial perspective, that’s all that matters. There’s always going to be plenty of work for a polarising showman like 'The Problem'. And this won’t change until fight fans stop tuning in!

No, I think we're on the same page here. Whatever I think of his performances or how little he's done to earn his accolades, you can't deny he has been given the rankings, he has won the titles, and he does get people's attention. As long as he's able to get people watching, there's absolutely no reason why his earnings would drop.

I just think he's a mouthy prick and a disappointment as a boxer, but why would he care about that?

[KiwiRider]

Broner Vs Khan is the best suggestion yet.
I don't know about the rest of you lot, but I see it as a really good matchup.
The speed and movement of Khan would cause Broner to shell up, then when Khan slows down around half way, the anticipation of Broner decking Khan, I think, would make for an intriguing fight.
Yes, Khan is a level above Broner, except when he slows, then it's ooon!

[Enlightened-One]

Broner Vs Khan is the best suggestion yet.
I don't know about the rest of you lot, but I see it as a really good matchup.
The speed and movement of Khan would cause Broner to shell up, then when Khan slows down around half way, the anticipation of Broner decking Khan, I think, would make for an intriguing fight.
Yes, Khan is a level above Broner, except when he slows, then it's ooon!

I agree with you when you say that a bout between Broner and Khan would be a good matchup. However, I personally doubt that Adrien would be able to stop the Brit, since the American only ever possessed a decent punch at 135lbs.

Adrien Broner has never stopped a welterweight opponent.

The 12th round knockdown that Adrien Broner scored over Shawn Porter seemed to be a one-off, since he’s never forced any other fighter weighing 140lbs or more to touch the canvas (I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure this is correct).

‘The Problem’ has only scored two stoppages in the last six years, where they were TKO’s due to the ref’s intervention, since neither man (i.e. Allakhverdiev and Theophane) touched the canvas in those bouts. And Amir Khan is a physically much bigger man than those guys.

I feel that the only way Broner stops Khan is if the Brit adopts a defensively irresponsible approach in their bout, whereby Amir allows Adrien to constantly land his punches flush on the chin (as per silly strategy Khabib Allakhverdiev employed when he faced ‘The Problem).

The thing is, the Brit isn’t a slugger. He can be careless at times, but possesses a decent enough defence to avoid being on the receiving end of a sustained beating. Khan usually suffers one-punch KO type losses, due to being countered or being hit flush by one huge shot.

I really can’t see how Amir Khan loses to Adrien Broner, unless the Brit is totally shot or becomes physiologically traumatised by the nature of his defeat to Terence Crawford.

[Paci]

Thought that he had something that could get him a win over Manny but then again being lazy and stupid ain't smart on that level.

Broner needs to get his head out the clouds and accept that he lost. Otherwise whata waste of talent.

Could get his head straight before he gets in to the ring again.

[chinarich]

Of course I won that fight. It’s like, if you really want cheese on your burger then you really gotta have cheese on your burger. So, yeah, I won that fight...

[Thomastearns]

Of course I won that fight. It’s like, if you really want cheese on your burger then you really gotta have cheese on your burger. So, yeah, I won that fight...

So far the boxing quote of 2019. It's all so obvious, just like putting salt and vinegar over your chips.

AB's in fine form when it comes to quotes as the bizarre exchange with Showtime's Jim Gray showed after the fight.

“I’m 3-3-1 in my last seven but I’ll be 7-0 against you,”

Some fail to see the funny of Broner. Here's a quote from Joaquin M Henson writing for the Philippine Star.

"Broner’s rants are disturbing. He doesn’t seem to be mentally stable. Go over his history and you’ll find that he has been charged with domestic violence, beating up women, stealing from someone to whom he lost a bet of $14,000, witness intimidation, showing up for a court hearing drunk and late, robbery, illegal possession of a lethal weapon and more. The indications are he’s got loose marbles.

Broner’s nickname is The Problem. More than being a problem to others, his problem is himself. He needs psychiatric treatment and probably belongs in a mental asylum. Broner is a danger to society because he’s delusional. He doesn’t see reality for what it is and imagines reality to be what he conjures in his mind. Broner isn’t a sore loser. He’s a mentally-challenged, foul-mouthed braggart who lives in a self-created fantasy world. In the end, you feel sorry for him."

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2019/01 ... t-his-mind

[ezhmael]

He can fight the likes of Khan, probably the loser in the Ugas/Porter match, or the winner of the WBSS (will be a good tune up fight to test WW). But more likely he'll get a high profile fight after smashing a can or two.

Honestly, I feel sorry for him. He got the talent that other world champions don't have but he wasted it. He was dubbed as the 2nd coming of Mayweather 6 years ago but he goes south after a few fights. Sure he don't have the defensive prowess of Mayweather but his offensive skills was great. He just embrace the villain role he also do it in real life.

Everything is downward for him after multiple times missing the weight during his defenses and the prank proposal he made after winning his match.