Anthony Joshua's strength training

[Boxing Writer]

A lot of people in the past thought that lifting weights is bad for boxing. Well, now we have Anthony Joshua working out with weights really, really hard. And he is very successful so far in his career. I think it's a pure myth that lifting weight can interfere with boxing.

[Steveh583]

A lot of people in the past thought that lifting weights is bad for boxing. Well, now we have Anthony Joshua working out with weights really, really hard. And he is very successful so far in his career. I think it's a pure myth that lifting weight can interfere with boxing.

I think everyone knows that by now tbh. All fighters do some kind of lifting.

[littlepug]

Not a fan of that kind of training, but if they want to do it it’s up to them.

[Boxing Writer]

A lot of people in the past thought that lifting weights is bad for boxing. Well, now we have Anthony Joshua working out with weights really, really hard. And he is very successful so far in his career. I think it's a pure myth that lifting weight can interfere with boxing.

I think everyone knows that by now tbh. All fighters do some kind of lifting.

Lomachenko siad he never lifts weights. Just doing pull ups and push ups. AJ is doing bench press, squats and dead lift witha very solid weight.

[oogiebe]

Isn't AJ's weight training designed to give him more explosiveness?

[jamamb]

so do we reckon loma would be better with weight training

[lillywhite14]

He’s not exactly lifting massive there though is he?

There’s various ways to work with weights. Its not like Joshua is lifting huge weights for low reps.

It’s no secret he lifted pretty big before he started boxing. I think he’s actually layed off the weights since he took boxing up.

[fizzjambo]

To be fair I think this conversation is at least a decade old now. A well structured weight lifting regime can have numerous benefits to boxers, Kerry Kayes has been an advocate of this at elite level for a long time.
Like anything else guys can over train, but the same could apply to over running, heavy sparring - anything really.
Joshua’s weaknesses aren’t because of his weight training

[fizzjambo]

To be fair I think this conversation is at least a decade old now. A well structured weight lifting regime can have numerous benefits to boxers, Kerry Kayes has been an advocate of this at elite level for a long time.
Like anything else guys can over train, but the same could apply to over running, heavy sparring - anything really.
Joshua’s weaknesses aren’t because of his weight training

[Steveh583]

To be fair I think this conversation is at least a decade old now. A well structured weight lifting regime can have numerous benefits to boxers, Kerry Kayes has been an advocate of this at elite level for a long time.
Like anything else guys can over train, but the same could apply to over running, heavy sparring - anything really.
Joshua’s weaknesses aren’t because of his weight training

[Tuan_Jim]

Given how badly Joshua struggled with stamina versus Klitschko, perhaps we should wait and see how his career pans out?

Klitschko himself, another weight lifter, had to employ a slow, cautious method of boxing with low punch output and lots of holding breaks in order to preserve his stamina, having struggled with it earlier.

Bruno was a famous example of a musclebound fighter who ran out of gas. Holyfield once at heavy had to fight in bursts. Weaver, weirdly, never had any issues.

I think we can better judge how much of a handicap being musclebound is when the fighter is in an actual fight. Bruno never had any issues when he was on top. Klitschko ditto. It was when challenged they suddenly seemed to fatigue and struggle. Given Joshua/Klitschko, Fury would be wise to set a frenetic pace vs AJ, with plenty of body shots.

[stujones]

I don't like seeing a boxer cram up the weights. Light weights with fast explosive reps for speed endurance...great...press ups....fab...big fornicate off weight to make your arms like tree trunks...no.

For kick off for lighter weight fighters, you don't want to be giving away height and reach cos your arms are so muscled and heavy.

Even without the weight making issue...are any of the top 15 p4p all time heavies got massive weight trained biceps and triceps...i still believe it slows you down more so than adds explosiveness.

[coneye]

Old days , hit the bag with big gloves , = weights of a sort , I don't know too much about weights never done them never studied them , , I'm amazed to be honset at the lack of fitness a lot of boxers have now a days , weights though my take is heavy weights do nothing except build muscles you don't need for boxing , Light weights can improve your speed and performance , BUT and this is a very BIG but ,,, be careful the light weights do not turn into heavy weights , its easy to over do it .
I liken it to speed work , . It should be done when fresh doing speed work on the bag , after a workout becomes heavy bag work when your tired , so fresh , very quick , and not too much .

I know theres lots of strenght conditioning coaches who think heavy weights is the go , but really i just look at all these different coaches and think , Mmmm to many cooks , the modern day boxers are monsters , but are they any harder , fitter , stronger

[mickeyb]

Given how badly Joshua struggled with stamina versus Klitschko, perhaps we should wait and see how his career pans out?

Klitschko himself, another weight lifter, had to employ a slow, cautious method of boxing with low punch output and lots of holding breaks in order to preserve his stamina, having struggled with it earlier.

Bruno was a famous example of a musclebound fighter who ran out of gas. Holyfield once at heavy had to fight in bursts. Weaver, weirdly, never had any issues.

I think we can better judge how much of a handicap being musclebound is when the fighter is in an actual fight. Bruno never had any issues when he was on top. Klitschko ditto. It was when challenged they suddenly seemed to fatigue and struggle. Given Joshua/Klitschko, Fury would be wise to set a frenetic pace vs AJ, with plenty of body shots.

It looks great on an Internet forum, but which one of Fury's fights to date suggests that he's capable of setting a frenetic pace? Or, for that matter, throwing regular, meaningful body shots? He's a technically sound, jab and move, safety-first plodder, and I'm struggling to see anything but him outpointing AJ in a fight that makes me want to find a pub that's not showing it.

[Steveh583]

Old days , hit the bag with big gloves , = weights of a sort , I don't know too much about weights never done them never studied them , , I'm amazed to be honset at the lack of fitness a lot of boxers have now a days , weights though my take is heavy weights do nothing except build muscles you don't need for boxing , Light weights can improve your speed and performance , BUT and this is a very BIG but ,,, be careful the light weights do not turn into heavy weights , its easy to over do it .
I liken it to speed work , . It should be done when fresh doing speed work on the bag , after a workout becomes heavy bag work when your tired , so fresh , very quick , and not too much .

I know theres lots of strenght conditioning coaches who think heavy weights is the go , but really i just look at all these different coaches and think , Mmmm to many cooks , the modern day boxers are monsters , but are they any harder , fitter , stronger

I'm hardly an expert myself but I believe for contact sport is the best type of weights are either lightweights with a shit ton of reps , or maximum weights with minimal reps for explosiveness. (Basically powerlifting type of motions it's an extremely explosive type of movement). Anything where you fully push or fully pull, not a controlled lift like say a benchpress, something that is more similar to a punch. I'm sure there are more qualified people than me to explain it on here though

[keirw]

so do we reckon loma would be better with weight training

No, their styles couldn't be more different.

The years of Ballet training are of a much greater benefit to Loma than any amount of weight training could be.

[Tuan_Jim]

Given how badly Joshua struggled with stamina versus Klitschko, perhaps we should wait and see how his career pans out?

Klitschko himself, another weight lifter, had to employ a slow, cautious method of boxing with low punch output and lots of holding breaks in order to preserve his stamina, having struggled with it earlier.

Bruno was a famous example of a musclebound fighter who ran out of gas. Holyfield once at heavy had to fight in bursts. Weaver, weirdly, never had any issues.

I think we can better judge how much of a handicap being musclebound is when the fighter is in an actual fight. Bruno never had any issues when he was on top. Klitschko ditto. It was when challenged they suddenly seemed to fatigue and struggle. Given Joshua/Klitschko, Fury would be wise to set a frenetic pace vs AJ, with plenty of body shots.

It looks great on an Internet forum, but which one of Fury's fights to date suggests that he's capable of setting a frenetic pace? Or, for that matter, throwing regular, meaningful body shots? He's a technically sound, jab and move, safety-first plodder, and I'm struggling to see anything but him outpointing AJ in a fight that makes me want to find a pub that's not showing it.

I may have already misremembered it, but didn't he throw in high volume versus Wilder? I remember it being an action fight? If not, I encourage everybody to place me on block.

[Tuan_Jim]

Old days , hit the bag with big gloves , = weights of a sort , I don't know too much about weights never done them never studied them , , I'm amazed to be honset at the lack of fitness a lot of boxers have now a days , weights though my take is heavy weights do nothing except build muscles you don't need for boxing , Light weights can improve your speed and performance , BUT and this is a very BIG but ,,, be careful the light weights do not turn into heavy weights , its easy to over do it

Seems to reap awesome results versus sitting duck opponents, explosive knockouts, but when faced with movement and return punches that land, these body beautifuls seem to gas alarmingly. They look like what they are. Musclemen who have lifted too many weights. Joshua was on the brink of defeat versus Wladimir!

[mickeyb]

Given how badly Joshua struggled with stamina versus Klitschko, perhaps we should wait and see how his career pans out?

Klitschko himself, another weight lifter, had to employ a slow, cautious method of boxing with low punch output and lots of holding breaks in order to preserve his stamina, having struggled with it earlier.

Bruno was a famous example of a musclebound fighter who ran out of gas. Holyfield once at heavy had to fight in bursts. Weaver, weirdly, never had any issues.

I think we can better judge how much of a handicap being musclebound is when the fighter is in an actual fight. Bruno never had any issues when he was on top. Klitschko ditto. It was when challenged they suddenly seemed to fatigue and struggle. Given Joshua/Klitschko, Fury would be wise to set a frenetic pace vs AJ, with plenty of body shots.

It looks great on an Internet forum, but which one of Fury's fights to date suggests that he's capable of setting a frenetic pace? Or, for that matter, throwing regular, meaningful body shots? He's a technically sound, jab and move, safety-first plodder, and I'm struggling to see anything but him outpointing AJ in a fight that makes me want to find a pub that's not showing it.

I may have already misremembered it, but didn't he throw in high volume versus Wilder? I remember it being an action fight? If not, I encourage everybody to place me on block.

Wasn't it 30-ish a round? A high volume for him, but not really a tear up.

I feel like, as a boxing fan, I should enjoy Fury fights, because he's just so bloody good at what he does. But eff me, his style is dull.

[Tuan_Jim]

It looks great on an Internet forum, but which one of Fury's fights to date suggests that he's capable of setting a frenetic pace? Or, for that matter, throwing regular, meaningful body shots? He's a technically sound, jab and move, safety-first plodder, and I'm struggling to see anything but him outpointing AJ in a fight that makes me want to find a pub that's not showing it.

I may have already misremembered it, but didn't he throw in high volume versus Wilder? I remember it being an action fight? If not, I encourage everybody to place me on block.

Wasn't it 30-ish a round? A high volume for him, but not really a tear up.

I feel like, as a boxing fan, I should enjoy Fury fights, because he's just so bloody good at what he does. But eff me, his style is dull.

Fair enough. That doesn't sound great, and yet it did somehow make for an entertaining punch up.

Perhaps 10 years of Wladimir Klitschko so lowered expectations that literally anything seems like an action fight.

[mickeyb]

That's a valid point.

I had a soft spot for young Wlad, the chinny banger with Olympic skills, who looked like a Bond villain. Manny morphed him into a much more effective, but MUCH less interesting boxer.

[stujones]

When I was in Uni, I was training with middle distance runners, top level, and we were doing a speed endurance training regime - low weights, high number of reps but fast. If I ever was advising a young fighter I would say add this to your regime. Even though I was going to the gym 5 times a week, I didn't put on a pound of weight on (I was doing lots of aerobic work also) and even though I didn't fight competitively during my Uni years - but it was definitely my prime in terms of sparring and power.

I still cringe at fighters doing big weights, although I think they are okay for legs and neck. I don't mind seeing a fighter with big legs and neck (although you'd need to adapt your style.... Naz being the prime example of a guy with tree trunk legs but still the buisness) - but I think we can count still on one hand the amount of top drawer fighters with body builder arms..... again back to Naz, arguably the hardest British puncher of all time, he wasn't pee wee herman, but he wasn't Arnie either....just good "athletes" arms that one could attain through push ups and not weights. .