Should Boxers Purses be Posted to the Public

[siablo14]

Fighters purses should not be disclosed to the public, but the lack of information would inevitably lead to fight fans accusing boxers of “ducking” when they aren’t being paid their worth or are being too greedy.

Why not?

Should YOUR personal salary details be disclosed to the public? What purpose would it serve allowing such information to become easily accessible within the public domain?

When we take into consideration each fighter’s personal circumstances (i.e. the deductibles from their paydays, depending on their team’s requirements), coupled with the tax rules applicable to the venue of each bout, their net take-home pay can differ drastically from fighter-to-fighter.

Basically, two fighters can both earn the same $1m payday, but their net take-home pay could be vastly different.

Therefore, the total purse each fighter is paid per bout is totally useless information. It doesn’t provide any sort of benefit to society other than quell people’s curiosity.

If I wouldn’t want MY OWN salary details to be disclosed to the public, then it would be hypocritical to demand that someone else’s should be. Don’t you agree?

Other top sports player salaries are made public, what's so special about boxers?

[Enlightened-One]

Why not?

Should YOUR personal salary details be disclosed to the public? What purpose would it serve allowing such information to become easily accessible within the public domain?

When we take into consideration each fighter’s personal circumstances (i.e. the deductibles from their paydays, depending on their team’s requirements), coupled with the tax rules applicable to the venue of each bout, their net take-home pay can differ drastically from fighter-to-fighter.

Basically, two fighters can both earn the same $1m payday, but their net take-home pay could be vastly different.

Therefore, the total purse each fighter is paid per bout is totally useless information. It doesn’t provide any sort of benefit to society other than quell people’s curiosity.

If I wouldn’t want MY OWN salary details to be disclosed to the public, then it would be hypocritical to demand that someone else’s should be. Don’t you agree?

Other top sports player salaries are made public, what's so special about boxers?

But what purpose does it serve? Player salaries are rarely reported accurately anyway, since they usually exclude pertinent info.

In fact, many media sources quote the salaries of certain sportsmen based on nothing but pure hearsay.

I’m not suggesting that boxers should be treated as a unique case (as the exception), as I simply feel that salaries in general shouldn’t be disclosed.

You haven’t explained the reason why the general public need to know this information anyway?

Would having easy access to this sort of information improve the quality of your life or the lives of your nearest and dearest?

By the way, how much do you earn? What is your net worth? What STD’s have you contracted during your lifetime? How many sexual partners have you had? Is your partner good in bed? What does your medical record look like? Can you provide your bank details? What are your PayPal login details? What are the measurements (in inches) of your genitals?

Can you understand the reason why I asked those questions?

[candyslim]

Yes, because you're a nosey bastard

[Evander]

Not that hard to work out, plenty of clues out there.

[siablo14]

Should YOUR personal salary details be disclosed to the public? What purpose would it serve allowing such information to become easily accessible within the public domain?

When we take into consideration each fighter’s personal circumstances (i.e. the deductibles from their paydays, depending on their team’s requirements), coupled with the tax rules applicable to the venue of each bout, their net take-home pay can differ drastically from fighter-to-fighter.

Basically, two fighters can both earn the same $1m payday, but their net take-home pay could be vastly different.

Therefore, the total purse each fighter is paid per bout is totally useless information. It doesn’t provide any sort of benefit to society other than quell people’s curiosity.

If I wouldn’t want MY OWN salary details to be disclosed to the public, then it would be hypocritical to demand that someone else’s should be. Don’t you agree?

Other top sports player salaries are made public, what's so special about boxers?

But what purpose does it serve? Player salaries are rarely reported accurately anyway, since they usually exclude pertinent info.

In fact, many media sources quote the salaries of certain sportsmen based on nothing but pure hearsay.

I’m not suggesting that boxers should be treated as a unique case (as the exception), as I simply feel that salaries in general shouldn’t be disclosed.

You haven’t explained the reason why the general public need to know this information anyway?

Would having easy access to this sort of information improve the quality of your life or the lives of your nearest and dearest?

By the way, how much do you earn? What is your net worth? What STD’s have you contracted during your lifetime? How many sexual partners have you had? Is your partner good in bed? What does your medical record look like? Can you provide your bank details? What are your PayPal login details? What are the measurements (in inches) of your genitals?

Can you understand the reason why I asked those questions?

Red - i have heard the same about boxer's purses.

Also don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when they are made public?

[Enlightened-One]

Other top sports player salaries are made public, what's so special about boxers?

But what purpose does it serve? Player salaries are rarely reported accurately anyway, since they usually exclude pertinent info.

In fact, many media sources quote the salaries of certain sportsmen based on nothing but pure hearsay.

I’m not suggesting that boxers should be treated as a unique case (as the exception), as I simply feel that salaries in general shouldn’t be disclosed.

You haven’t explained the reason why the general public need to know this information anyway?

Would having easy access to this sort of information improve the quality of your life or the lives of your nearest and dearest?

By the way, how much do you earn? What is your net worth? What STD’s have you contracted during your lifetime? How many sexual partners have you had? Is your partner good in bed? What does your medical record look like? Can you provide your bank details? What are your PayPal login details? What are the measurements (in inches) of your genitals?

Can you understand the reason why I asked those questions?

Red - i have heard the same about boxer's purses.

Also don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when they are made public?

How much do YOU earn? Please post a screen shot of YOUR payslip?

There's an obvious reason why you keep ignoring the same set of questions?

I “don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when” this type of personal information of YOURS is “made public?”

[siablo14]

But what purpose does it serve? Player salaries are rarely reported accurately anyway, since they usually exclude pertinent info.

In fact, many media sources quote the salaries of certain sportsmen based on nothing but pure hearsay.

I’m not suggesting that boxers should be treated as a unique case (as the exception), as I simply feel that salaries in general shouldn’t be disclosed.

You haven’t explained the reason why the general public need to know this information anyway?

Would having easy access to this sort of information improve the quality of your life or the lives of your nearest and dearest?

By the way, how much do you earn? What is your net worth? What STD’s have you contracted during your lifetime? How many sexual partners have you had? Is your partner good in bed? What does your medical record look like? Can you provide your bank details? What are your PayPal login details? What are the measurements (in inches) of your genitals?

Can you understand the reason why I asked those questions?

Red - i have heard the same about boxer's purses.

Also don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when they are made public?

How much do YOU earn? Please post a screen shot of YOUR payslip?

There's an obvious reason why you keep ignoring the same set of questions?

I “don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when” this type of personal information of YOURS is “made public?”

i am not a public entertainer.

Tell me some reasons why it is harmful so i can see your point.

[Enlightened-One]

Red - i have heard the same about boxer's purses.

Also don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when they are made public?

How much do YOU earn? Please post a screen shot of YOUR payslip?

There's an obvious reason why you keep ignoring the same set of questions?

I “don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when” this type of personal information of YOURS is “made public?”

i am not a public entertainer.

And what has that got to do with anything?

Do athletes not deserve their financial matters to remain private and confidential?

If you’re unwilling to disclose your own salary details to the general public, then you shouldn’t expect others to.

If you think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public, then go on, tell me what you earn?

You can’t have it both ways, can you? It seems you want everyone else to share, but you won’t.

[siablo14]

How much do YOU earn? Please post a screen shot of YOUR payslip?

There's an obvious reason why you keep ignoring the same set of questions?

I “don't see a reason why it shouldn't be disclosed. Do you know of any harm done when” this type of personal information of YOURS is “made public?”

i am not a public entertainer.

And what has that got to do with anything?

Do athletes not deserve their financial matters to remain private and confidential?

If you’re unwilling to disclose your own salary details to the general public, then you shouldn’t expect others to.

If you think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public, then go on, tell me what you earn?

You can’t have it both ways, can you? It seems you want everyone else to share, but you won’t.

Okay. i currently earn nothing. What's gonna happen now?

What harm has been done to boxers so far? Their salaries are always made public. What harm has come to them because of that?

[Enlightened-One]

i am not a public entertainer.

And what has that got to do with anything?

Do athletes not deserve their financial matters to remain private and confidential?

If you’re unwilling to disclose your own salary details to the general public, then you shouldn’t expect others to.

If you think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public, then go on, tell me what you earn?

You can’t have it both ways, can you? It seems you want everyone else to share, but you won’t.

Okay. i currently earn nothing. What's gonna happen now?

What harm has been done to boxers so far? Their salaries are always made public. What harm has come to them because of that?

Boxers salaries aren’t always made public. That’s a myth.

Also, you’d need to reveal your real identity, perhaps by providing a copy of your passport, coupled with providing your bank details, in order for your claim to “earn nothing” to mean anything.

After all, you seriously think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public?

You won’t do that though, will you? You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential.

Do you not understand the hypocrisy in your own actions?

You haven’t actually explained the reason why you need to see the salaries of all athletes, have you? All you’ve claimed is that you don’t see the reason why disclosing such information would cause any harm, but that’s not a good enough reason.

[candyslim]

People working in the public sector more often than not are on a pay-scale and their earnings are known to anybody who is interested. I guess they'd prefer that not to be the case but it is what it is, they just get on with it.

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

[Enlightened-One]

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

Fight fans don’t need to know the sort of paydays being received by fighters.

And you wouldn’t be able to use this information to gauge whether a boxer is “ducking” their opponent, because you’d need to also know more info, such as the precise nature of the deal being negotiated between both parties when an attempt to make a fight is made. If a fighter has "ducked" an opponent, they wouldn't receive a payday, would they?

You’re basically demanding that all financial aspects of the sport of boxing to become transparent, with all that information being freely available to fight fans, because PPV commission is usually paid retrospectively and there are inevitably expenses also.

The excuse to justify the acquisition of normally private and confidential information in order to help you formulate a derogatory opinion or not, isn’t a good enough reason.

You just want to be a nosey bḁstḁrd and if you think that you aren't, then provide official documentation that not only reveals your real identity, but also your actual income.

[Onetimeonly]

People working in the public sector more often than not are on a pay-scale and their earnings are known to anybody who is interested. I guess they'd prefer that not to be the case but it is what it is, they just get on with it.

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

That's absurd

[siablo14]

And what has that got to do with anything?

Do athletes not deserve their financial matters to remain private and confidential?

If you’re unwilling to disclose your own salary details to the general public, then you shouldn’t expect others to.

If you think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public, then go on, tell me what you earn?

You can’t have it both ways, can you? It seems you want everyone else to share, but you won’t.

Okay. i currently earn nothing. What's gonna happen now?

What harm has been done to boxers so far? Their salaries are always made public. What harm has come to them because of that?

Boxers salaries aren’t always made public. That’s a myth.

Also, you’d need to reveal your real identity, perhaps by providing a copy of your passport, coupled with providing your bank details, in order for your claim to “earn nothing” to mean anything.

After all, you seriously think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public?

You won’t do that though, will you? You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential.

Do you not understand the hypocrisy in your own actions?

You haven’t actually explained the reason why you need to see the salaries of all athletes, have you? All you’ve claimed is that you don’t see the reason why disclosing such information would cause any harm, but that’s not a good enough reason.

Red - i"m listening.

Blue - Funny because you haven't stated why making public is a bad thing and currently their purses are made public. You don't want them to be made public so you should be sharing some reasons why they shouldn't be made public.

But it seems you can"t find a good reason so they will continue to be made public.

[Enlightened-One]

Okay. i currently earn nothing. What's gonna happen now?

What harm has been done to boxers so far? Their salaries are always made public. What harm has come to them because of that?

Boxers salaries aren’t always made public. That’s a myth.

Also, you’d need to reveal your real identity, perhaps by providing a copy of your passport, coupled with providing your bank details, in order for your claim to “earn nothing” to mean anything.

After all, you seriously think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public?

You won’t do that though, will you? You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential.

Do you not understand the hypocrisy in your own actions?

You haven’t actually explained the reason why you need to see the salaries of all athletes, have you? All you’ve claimed is that you don’t see the reason why disclosing such information would cause any harm, but that’s not a good enough reason.

Red - i"m listening.

Blue - Funny because you haven't stated why making public is a bad thing and currently their purses are made public. You don't want them to be made public so you should be sharing some reasons why they shouldn't be made public.

But it seems you can"t find a good reason so they will continue to be made public.

What was the precise sums of money that Canelo and Rocky Fielding received for their fight? I can provide loads more examples, where fight purses weren't actually disclosed. Especially for fights in the UK.

I don’t need to explain, because you answered the question for me, as you’re reluctant to provide details of your own salary. All you’ve done is lie, by making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own behaviour answers your own question.

You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential. And that’s just hypocritical.

You can’t hold people accountable to standards that you flatly refuse to abide by.

[siablo14]

Boxers salaries aren’t always made public. That’s a myth.

Also, you’d need to reveal your real identity, perhaps by providing a copy of your passport, coupled with providing your bank details, in order for your claim to “earn nothing” to mean anything.

After all, you seriously think there’s no harm in making someone’s financial situation public?

You won’t do that though, will you? You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential.

Do you not understand the hypocrisy in your own actions?

You haven’t actually explained the reason why you need to see the salaries of all athletes, have you? All you’ve claimed is that you don’t see the reason why disclosing such information would cause any harm, but that’s not a good enough reason.

Red - i"m listening.

Blue - Funny because you haven't stated why making public is a bad thing and currently their purses are made public. You don't want them to be made public so you should be sharing some reasons why they shouldn't be made public.

But it seems you can"t find a good reason so they will continue to be made public.

What was the precise sums of money that Canelo and Rocky Fielding received for their fight? I can provide loads more examples, where fight purses weren't actually disclosed. Especially for fights in the UK.

I don’t need to explain, because you answered the question for me, as you’re reluctant to provide details of your own salary. All you’ve done is lie, by making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own behaviour answers your own question.

You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential. And that’s just hypocritical.

You can’t hold people accountable to standards that you flatly refuse to abide by.

Canelo's multi year deal has been announced for the whole world to know. Canelo's purse was 15 mil for that fight.

i already told you i am earn zero dollars. Why is that hard for you to grasp or believe?

[Noxy]

Personally, I'm not that interested in purses or contract negotiations. If promoters want to announce purses and fighters are cool with it, so be it. But if a journalist goes after that info, that doesn't do anything for me. The contract negotiations bore me the most, at least the purse is just a figure and finito.

[Enlightened-One]

Red - i"m listening.

Blue - Funny because you haven't stated why making public is a bad thing and currently their purses are made public. You don't want them to be made public so you should be sharing some reasons why they shouldn't be made public.

But it seems you can"t find a good reason so they will continue to be made public.

What was the precise sums of money that Canelo and Rocky Fielding received for their fight? I can provide loads more examples, where fight purses weren't actually disclosed. Especially for fights in the UK.

I don’t need to explain, because you answered the question for me, as you’re reluctant to provide details of your own salary. All you’ve done is lie, by making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own behaviour answers your own question.

You’re exploiting your anonymity to boldly claim that others aren’t allowed certain aspects of their lives to remain private and confidential. And that’s just hypocritical.

You can’t hold people accountable to standards that you flatly refuse to abide by.

Canelo's multi year deal has been announced for the whole world to know. Canelo's purse was 15 mil for that fight.

i already told you i am earn zero dollars. Why is that hard for you to grasp or believe?

Provide a link that details Canelo & Rocky Fielding's precise earnings for that fight - that was the original question that you've failed to address. Their actual purses were undisclosed, which obvious debunks your myth about all boxers salaries being always made public.

You’re lying, because you're making a bữllshḯt claim about earning “nothing”, whilst choosing to remain anonymous. The reason for your own conduct explains the stupidity of your demands.

You've backed yourself into a corner now kid, let's see how you try to wriggle yourself out of it.

[joshj909]

I think they should be for PPVs. It's the same reasoning as public contracts and charities for me. If you're directly paying for something you should know where your money is going. E.g. politicians, highly paid people from government/BBC/etc., Charity heads and overall charity spending. The benefits are that we see who is paid well, underpaid, and whether a promoter is pocketing all the cash which gives us the opportunity to decide whether to pay next time or not.

On top of it, I don't know why everyone is so sensitive about taking about what they earn, it is what it is, why lie or hide the fact, especially if you're a world famous boxer.

[Enlightened-One]

I think they should be for PPVs. It's the same reasoning as public contracts and charities for me. If you're directly paying for something you should know where your money is going. E.g. politicians, highly paid people from government/BBC/etc., Charity heads and overall charity spending. The benefits are that we see who is paid well, underpaid, and whether a promoter is pocketing all the cash which gives us the opportunity to decide whether to pay next time or not.

If a good fight was made, you’d watch it regardless of your dissatisfaction as to how the purse pot was being divvied up. You wouldn’t bother laboriously scrutinising the financial details – you’d just enjoy watching the fight no matter what, because the fighters' purses are none of your business.

If professional boxing was a part of the public sector that was owned and operated by government(s), then I’d agree with what you've said, but it isn’t, since:

• Professional boxing isn’t regulated by a government body (as per charities).

• Professional boxing isn’t funded by tax-payers money, where the funds are sourced and dictated by a government legislative body (as per the BBC).

• The salaries of professional boxers aren’t funded by tax-payers, where their sums are determined by an independent body that reports to a government (as per politicians).

Those that purchase a PPV event are actually paying for a service provided by the boxing content provider – the TV network itself. This money isn’t paid directly (as-is) to fighters.

So I disagree with you, there’s no reason why there needs to be 100% financial transparency to provide an audit trail of the flow of money for boxing events. It doesn’t serve any purpose other than to satisfy nosey people’s curiosity!

Fight fans have no say in the distribution of the money that is generated for boxing events, so why do they need this information?

Boxers are entitled to having their financial situation remain private and confidential, just as you are.

After all, you’re anonymous. Nobody from this forum knows your name, where you live, how much you earn etc.

[candyslim]

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

Fight fans don’t need to know the sort of paydays being received by fighters.

And you wouldn’t be able to use this information to gauge whether a boxer is “ducking” their opponent, because you’d need to also know more info, such as the precise nature of the deal being negotiated between both parties when an attempt to make a fight is made. If a fighter has "ducked" an opponent, they wouldn't receive a payday, would they?

You’re basically demanding that all financial aspects of the sport of boxing to become transparent, with all that information being freely available to fight fans, because PPV commission is usually paid retrospectively and there are inevitably expenses also.

The excuse to justify the acquisition of normally private and confidential information in order to help you formulate a derogatory opinion or not, isn’t a good enough reason.

You just want to be a nosey bḁstḁrd and if you think that you aren't, then provide official documentation that not only reveals your real identity, but also your actual income.

[candyslim]

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

Fight fans don’t need to know the sort of paydays being received by fighters.

cs: No they don't but it does help them to make sense of what's going on. For example Whyte is complaining of being low-balled by Hearn. Is he justified or does he have an inflated opinion of what he's worth? Who knows? Now if its confirmed by one side and not denied by the other than it's a 90/10 percentage offer then depending on your own estimation of the relative worth of each fighter, you can reach a more informed (although not necessarily unbiased) opinion as to who is being unreasonable compared to not knowing anything at all. That's not the same as knowing Whyte's income and I wouldn't advocate deals being made known if they are successful.

And you wouldn’t be able to use this information to gauge whether a boxer is “ducking” their opponent, because you’d need to also know more info, such as the precise nature of the deal being negotiated between both parties when an attempt to make a fight is made. If a fighter has "ducked" an opponent, they wouldn't receive a payday, would they?

cs: Well I've hopefully addressed this above except your comment that we'd need to know all the details. I don't see that we would however if there were pertinent reasons why a fighter couldn't accept the offer for example it would put him in breach of contract, or the promoter was attaching strings, say options on the fighter's future engagements, then don't be shy, name and shame.

You’re basically demanding that all financial aspects of the sport of boxing to become transparent, with all that information being freely available to fight fans, because PPV commission is usually paid retrospectively and there are inevitably expenses also.

cs: I'm not going that far I'm just saying I like it when offers have been made and and the reasons behind the offer being rejected made known. I'm not suggesting we should be able to examine a fighter's financial records. Hearn has recently made known what were his offers to Wilder and to Fury in the broadest terms. I welcome that and I'd welcome anything from the fighters explaining why they consider the offer to be unreasonable or inadequate or why the bare numbers don't tell the story.

The excuse to justify the acquisition of normally private and confidential information in order to help you formulate a derogatory opinion or not, isn’t a good enough reason.

cs: I'm not asking to see their accounts. I think we are at cross-purposes.

You just want to be a nosey bḁstḁrd and if you think that you aren't, then provide official documentation that not only reveals your real identity, but also your actual income.

cs: If what I'm saying makes me a nosey bastard then I plead guilty your honour, but I just like my opinions to be based on better information than just my own prejudices and gut feeling
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What's more I'm not bothered about revealing my identity or even disclosing my income mind you, you can whistle for documentary evidence

Edit - My comments above preceded cs:

[candyslim]

People working in the public sector more often than not are on a pay-scale and their earnings are known to anybody who is interested. I guess they'd prefer that not to be the case but it is what it is, they just get on with it.

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

That's absurd

Well thanks for clearing that up, you're one hellova debater

[oogiebe]

If a fighter goes public with complaints then the public should know the numbers. In addition, if my PPV bill is exceedingly high (and it is), and it's because of the rising purses (which it is in part), maybe as a consumer, I'd choose not to make the purchase any longer. I remember paying 29.99 for big card PPV's back in the day. Then 49.99 for Tyson. WTF? If Whyte gets an additional 4 million, will the PPV then cost $94.99??

[Onetimeonly]

People working in the public sector more often than not are on a pay-scale and their earnings are known to anybody who is interested. I guess they'd prefer that not to be the case but it is what it is, they just get on with it.

With boxing I'm not sure we need to know what the final deal is, but I see nothing wrong and plenty right, about knowing what is offered and to whom. Much easier to determine who is the ducker and who is the duckee in instances where fights that need to get made aren't getting made.

That's absurd

Well thanks for clearing that up, you're one hellova debater

If I care to be. I've managed to get away from wasting pages of words against idiocy.