BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Kownacki vs Washington

[dagilechia]

Current ranking:

1. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 0 0 - 29 I 6'6''/198cm I 82''/208cm I 245lbs/111,2kg - next fight: 13.4.2019 v TBA

2. Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - 30 I 6'9''/206cm I 85''/216cm I 256,5lbs/116,3kg - next fight: TBA

3. Deontay Wilder - 40(39) 0 1 - 33 I 6'7''/201cm I 83''/211cm I 212,5lbs/96,4kg - next fight: TBA

4. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - 30 I 6'4''/193cm I 78''/198cm I 246,5lbs/111,8kg - next fight: TBA

5. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - 39 I 6'2''/188cm I 75''/191cm I 222lbs/100,7kg - next fight: TBA

6. Luis Ortiz - 30(26) 1(1) 0 - 39 I 6'4''/193cm I 78''/198cm I 241lbs/109,3kg - next fight: 2.3.2019 v Christian Hammer

7. Kubrat Pulev - 26(13) 1(1) 0 - 37 I 6'4,5''/194cm I 80''/203cm I 240,5lbs/109,1kg - next fight: TBA

8. Jarrell Miller - 23(20) 0 1 - 30 I 6'4/193cm I 78''/198cm I 315lbs/143kg - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - 27 I 6'4/193cm I 76''/193cm I 240,5lbs/109,2kg - next fight: TBA

10. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 1(1) 0 - 33 I 6'7''/201cm I 81,5''/207cm I 256,5lbs/116,3kg - next fight: TBA

11. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - 29 I 6'3''/191cm I 76''/193cm I 258,5lbs/117,3kg - next fight: TBA

12. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - 31 I 6'0,5''/184cm I 76,5''/194cm I 234lbs/106,1kg - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 29(21) 9(3) 0 - 35 I 6'1,5''/187cm I 74''/188cm I 246lbs/111,7kg - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgović - 7(5) 0 0 - 26 I 6'6''/198cm I 80''/203cm I 232,5lbs/105,5kg - next fight: TBA

15. Agit Kabayel - 18(13) 0 0 - 26 I 6'3''/191cm I 76''/193cm I 236,5lbs/107,3kg - next fight: TBA

Question: How are the rankings affected by Adam Kownacki's (#11) KO 2 win over Gerald Washington (unranked)?

My vote: Kownacki goes to #10, Washington remains unranked

The voting will last until the end of 2.2.2019

[DrDuke]

I'll put Kownacki on the 9th place. Breazeale was inactive and just struggled against a noname. Parker has always been unconvincing at the top, had 2 straight losses there after a series of arguable decisions and now is just back on tomato can crushing track. Miller should be before Kownacki. However, Adam even handled Washington is a more convincing way, but Miller had a couple of decent scalps afterwards, although his last 2 fights were against the oldman and the noname.

And Washington still should be out of top-15, yes.

[joshj909]

Nothing changes

[Lennox]

Kownacki beat the number 55 ranked Washington but not enough to move him up from 11.

[conan_the_cribber]

Kownacki to 10. Time for Breazdale to do something. Washington obviously, remains unranked.

[dagilechia]

I'll put Kownacki on the 9th place. Breazeale was inactive and just struggled against a noname. Parker has always been unconvincing at the top, had 2 straight losses there after a series of arguable decisions and now is just back on tomato can crushing track. Miller should be before Kownacki. However, Adam even handled Washington is a more convincing way, but Miller had a couple of decent scalps afterwards, although his last 2 fights were against the oldman and the noname.

And Washington still should be out of top-15, yes.

well, Miller's and Kownacki's resumes are very comparable

Washington
Miller beat Wach, Kownacki beat Szpilka, Szpilka won vs Wach by SD
Duhaupas and Martin are comparable
maybe Dinu and Kiladze are too
ancient Adamek is a worthless win, so is a win over Kassi

their resumes are close

[DrDuke]

I'll put Kownacki on the 9th place. Breazeale was inactive and just struggled against a noname. Parker has always been unconvincing at the top, had 2 straight losses there after a series of arguable decisions and now is just back on tomato can crushing track. Miller should be before Kownacki. However, Adam even handled Washington is a more convincing way, but Miller had a couple of decent scalps afterwards, although his last 2 fights were against the oldman and the noname.

And Washington still should be out of top-15, yes.

well, Miller's and Kownacki's resumes are very comparable

Washington
Miller beat Wach, Kownacki beat Szpilka, Szpilka won vs Wach by SD
Duhaupas and Martin are comparable
maybe Dinu and Kiladze are too
ancient Adamek is a worthless win, so is a win over Kassi

their resumes are close

Yeah, I won't say, that Miller did much more.

[dagilechia]

i can see Kownacki being ranked above Parker, Joseph has only unimpressive wins + that UD vs Cojanu but i just think that Parker would most likely beat Kownacki

[oogiebe]

Kownacki to 10; Breazeale to 11. Last night's fight was more of Washington not knowing how to fight back than Kownacki's talent.

[dagilechia]

Kownacki arguably has a better resume than Breazeale

[oogiebe]

Kownacki arguably has a better resume than Breazeale

I'm no Kownacki fan but it isn't very arguable. It's fact. Breazeale's resume is pretty empty. Kownacki has a couple or three good names.

[dagilechia]

Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more

[oogiebe]

Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more

His wins are much better.

[dagilechia]

Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more

His wins are much better.

well, i agree with you. he just destroyed Szpilka and Washington, Martin had his moments but it was no doubt a win by Kownacki, he won all of the early rounds, i had it 97-93. he also has wins over Kiladze and journeyman Perea. btw the less Kownacki weights, the better he is imo

Breazeale went life and death with Ugonoh, he defeated Molina who previously went MD vs some guy with the 15-50 kind of record, he was losing to Mansour until the injury. Some people say that his fight vs Kassi was close too.recently he struggled with Negron. i think that Breazeale with time will be moved only down and eventually he will be removed from the list.

[oogiebe]

Kownacki: Szpilka, Martin, Washington
Breazeale: Ugonoh (then undefeated), Molina, Mansour

Kownacki's wins are more recent so i like his record more

His wins are much better.

well, i agree with you. he just destroyed Szpilka and Washington, Martin had his moments but it was no doubt a win by Kownacki, he won all of the early rounds, i had it 97-93. he also has wins over Kiladze and journeyman Perea. btw the less Kownacki weights, the better he is imo

Breazeale went life and death with Ugonoh, he defeated Molina who previously went MD vs some guy with the 15-50 kind of record, he was losing to Mansour until the injury. Some people say that his fight vs Kassi was close too.recently he struggled with Negron. i think that Breazeale with time will be moved only down and eventually he will be removed from the list.

Yup. 100%. But I still think Kownacki is crap. Just that Breazeale is crappier. Those two are among a few HW's who are keeping those ranking seats warm for the next wave of young HW's.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

Kownacki to #10, Washington no change

Didn't feel like the sort of performance that should crack a guy into the top 10, but it was enough to put him above Breazeale in my mind so I guess it has to be.

Yup. 100%. But I still think Kownacki is crap. Just that Breazeale is crappier. Those two are among a few HW's who are keeping those ranking seats warm for the next wave of young HW's.

Yeah, hopefully. And sooner rather than later with a bit of luck.

[oogiebe]

Kownacki to #10, Washington no change

Didn't feel like the sort of performance that should crack a guy into the top 10, but it was enough to put him above Breazeale in my mind so I guess it has to be.

Yup. 100%. But I still think Kownacki is crap. Just that Breazeale is crappier. Those two are among a few HW's who are keeping those ranking seats warm for the next wave of young HW's.

Yeah, hopefully. And sooner rather than later with a bit of luck.

Amen Brother!

[DrDuke]

Probably Kownacki vs Breazeale is the perfect matchup for everybody, them both and the fans.

[oogiebe]

Probably Kownacki vs Breazeale is the perfect matchup for everybody, them both and the fans.

Kownacki would jump at the chance; Breazeale wouldn't.

[dagilechia]

funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot

[oogiebe]

funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot

You are probably right. HW's thin in first tier talent. I'd like to see Kownacki vs Povetkin.

[DrDuke]

Probably Kownacki vs Breazeale is the perfect matchup for everybody, them both and the fans.

Kownacki would jump at the chance; Breazeale wouldn't.

Maybe, acknowledging Breazeale's talk on his position in the division.

funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot

Yeah. And I'll favor Kownacki over Breazeale.

[dagilechia]

funny thing is that if Kownacki defeats Breazeale he would be together with Whyte the most deserving fighter to get a title shot

You are probably right. HW's thin in first tier talent. I'd like to see Kownacki vs Povetkin.

both Kownacki and Povetkin are exciting and entertaining fighters so yeah, but even at this point i think that Povetkin should win by 118-110 type decision. of course if he's not totally shot which we cant rule out at his age, his every fight will be a big question now.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Kownacki up 1, just ahead of Breazeale. Not for this win. Washington wouldn't make my own top 30. Just because Kownacki's overall record is stronger than Breazeale's.

I actually think Chisora is ranked too low here, and Miller too high. Two strong showings against the number 4 here, despite the KO loss, and a win over Takam (who would have been ranked before that fight) is better for me than either Kownacki or Breazeale have done. Miller seems to have his position based on what people think he might do, rather than anything he has done.

VOTE: Kownacki #10, Washington stays unranked.

[Rob3_142]

VOTE: Kownacki #8, Washington - unranked.

The resume's of Miller and Kownacki are comparable, with the Pole arguably edging it. I'm not saying that Kownacki beats Miller, but based on resume, Kownacki is ahead.

Breazeale's inactivity against relevant competitors, and a couple of significant defeats to Parker moves them both both down in my opinion.