1988 Mike Tyson vs 2011 Wladimir Klitschko - who would win this match ?

[Loki]

I do rahman kicked his ass. Nobody that credits vitali for retiring Lewis gives Brahman that love for vitali.

Was that English? Sanders had Rahman in all kinds of trouble and it was a great fight. Sanders, although never conditioned was a dynamite puncher.

My smartphone doesn't permit literacy.

Touché. We’ve all been there.

[Onetimeonly]

Was that English? Sanders had Rahman in all kinds of trouble and it was a great fight. Sanders, although never conditioned was a dynamite puncher.

My smartphone doesn't permit literacy.

Touché. We’ve all been there.

My latest one is brutal. The point should still be clear. If he retired Lewis, rock retired him.

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Quite a few people could've beaten Douglas the night Douglas beat Tyson. Tyson just wasn't one of 'em. Holyfield would've beaten him that night, though probably not in 3 rounds.

Douglas that night may have done to Holyfield what Bowe did in 1992. He was that good.

Holyfield ain't Tyson. He wasn't gonna come in with a half assed training camp. He would've been able to handle and beat Buster Douglas. ANY Buster Douglas. I guarantee it.

Agreed.

There seems to have been a bit of a fable built up around Douglas's performance.

Someone must have once said that no-one in history would have beaten Douglas that night and folk have just run with it since.

Douglas was magnificent that night, no doubt, and yes, it is the biggest upset ever, but there is no way he was the best ever that night.

It's not even feasible to say he was perfect that night; lest we forget he was heavily decked and of course he got up, but bear in mind he might have been fortunate that the KD happened later when Tyson was tired.

No version of Douglas beats Holyfield of 1990: Evander wasn't an arrogant disinterested champion that believed his own media, he was, as his nickname suggests, the real deal.

[Loki]

My smartphone doesn't permit literacy.

Touché. We’ve all been there.

My latest one is brutal. The point should still be clear. If he retired Lewis, rock retired him.

I still don’t get your point? Are you inferring that because Rahman beat Lewis he retired Vitali? If so, a) Vitali never fought Rahman and b) If you mean Rahman beat Sanders, therefore he retired Wlad (wrong Klitschko) c) Vitali retired Lewis because Lennox didn’t want the rematch (for whatever reason).

In fact, I have no idea what the fcuk you’re on about?

[Loki]

Douglas that night may have done to Holyfield what Bowe did in 1992. He was that good.

Holyfield ain't Tyson. He wasn't gonna come in with a half assed training camp. He would've been able to handle and beat Buster Douglas. ANY Buster Douglas. I guarantee it.

Agreed.

There seems to have been a bit of a fable built up around Douglas's performance.

Someone must have once said that no-one in history would have beaten Douglas that night and folk have just run with it since.

Douglas was magnificent that night, no doubt, and yes, it is the biggest upset ever, but there is no way he was the best ever that night.

It's not even feasible to say he was perfect that night; lest we forget he was heavily decked and of course he got up, but bear in mind he might have been fortunate that the KD happened later when Tyson was tired.

No version of Douglas beats Holyfield of 1990: Evander wasn't an arrogant disinterested champion that believed his own media, he was, as his nickname suggests, the real deal.

I agree. Spot on. Great performance by Douglas but Tyson was a shadow of himself and most top drawer HWs would’ve beaten Douglas (if they showed up) on that night in Tokyo.

[Onetimeonly]

Touché. We’ve all been there.

My latest one is brutal. The point should still be clear. If he retired Lewis, rock retired him.

I still don’t get your point? Are you inferring that because Rahman beat Lewis he retired Vitali? If so, a) Vitali never fought Rahman and b) If you mean Rahman beat Sanders, therefore he retired Wlad (wrong Klitschko) c) Vitali retired Lewis because Lennox didn’t want the rematch (for whatever reason).

In fact, I have no idea what the fcuk you’re on about?

Vitali cancelled at least two fights with rock and retired. I'm not on about anything.

[oogiebe]

Who is this oggibee? Has Wlad nailed his Mrs? I agree, IMO, Lewis closely followed by Vitali in terms of who I bet on to win across the HWs since 1988.

With who his opponents were, I'd have bet on Vitali as well. Lewis was the class of the division during his reigns and one of the best all time HW's. I remember you from other threads. You are the guy who is in love with the K's and think they were some sort of tandem.

I’ve been on this forum since 2004 and loved boxing since 1985. I don’t love any boxer, but I think some of them deserve credit. The Klitschkos (love them or hate them) were damn fine boxers, sportsmen and dominated HW boxing from 2003 until 2014. Whatever the competition (you can only beat what’s in front of you) that deserves respect.

Trust me, I prefer Calzaghe, Gatti, Tszyu, Monzon and a host of others for different reasons over the Klitschkos.

Fair enough, Loki. Of course the K's were dominant during their time and no, you can't help who the top guys were during your era. So yeah, the Klitchkos deserve more than some credit. I respect your response and your posts (except the shot at my wife).

[Loki]

With who his opponents were, I'd have bet on Vitali as well. Lewis was the class of the division during his reigns and one of the best all time HW's. I remember you from other threads. You are the guy who is in love with the K's and think they were some sort of tandem.

I’ve been on this forum since 2004 and loved boxing since 1985. I don’t love any boxer, but I think some of them deserve credit. The Klitschkos (love them or hate them) were damn fine boxers, sportsmen and dominated HW boxing from 2003 until 2014. Whatever the competition (you can only beat what’s in front of you) that deserves respect.

Trust me, I prefer Calzaghe, Gatti, Tszyu, Monzon and a host of others for different reasons over the Klitschkos.

Fair enough, Loki. Of course the K's were dominant during their time and no, you can't help who the top guys were during your era. So yeah, the Klitchkos deserve more than some credit. I respect your response and your posts (except the shot at my wife).

Fair play, I didn’t mean anything by it. It’s always difficult to compare boxers across eras. Really subjective and near impossible. I hope AJ, Wilder and Fury fight each other a least once and hopefully the best will go on to dominate. My moneys on AJ.

[oogiebe]

I’ve been on this forum since 2004 and loved boxing since 1985. I don’t love any boxer, but I think some of them deserve credit. The Klitschkos (love them or hate them) were damn fine boxers, sportsmen and dominated HW boxing from 2003 until 2014. Whatever the competition (you can only beat what’s in front of you) that deserves respect.

Trust me, I prefer Calzaghe, Gatti, Tszyu, Monzon and a host of others for different reasons over the Klitschkos.

Fair enough, Loki. Of course the K's were dominant during their time and no, you can't help who the top guys were during your era. So yeah, the Klitchkos deserve more than some credit. I respect your response and your posts (except the shot at my wife).

Fair play, I didn’t mean anything by it. It’s always difficult to compare boxers across eras. Really subjective and near impossible. I hope AJ, Wilder and Fury fight each other a least once and hopefully the best will go on to dominate. My moneys on AJ.

The more time goes by and after seeing Wilder vs AJ, the most interesting fight for me is Fury/AJ. Wilder needs to learn a new trick and I don't know if he can manage that. Looking forward to the next wave of title contenders.

[Loki]

Fair enough, Loki. Of course the K's were dominant during their time and no, you can't help who the top guys were during your era. So yeah, the Klitchkos deserve more than some credit. I respect your response and your posts (except the shot at my wife).

Fair play, I didn’t mean anything by it. It’s always difficult to compare boxers across eras. Really subjective and near impossible. I hope AJ, Wilder and Fury fight each other a least once and hopefully the best will go on to dominate. My moneys on AJ.

The more time goes by and after seeing Wilder vs AJ, the most interesting fight for me is Fury/AJ. Wilder needs to learn a new trick and I don't know if he can manage that. Looking forward to the next wave of title contenders.

Wilder is certainly the worst boxer of the three but dangerous. I know a lot has been said about Fury getting up, but if you watch the replays, neither shot was right on the money. Unless Wilder catches Fury clean, Fury will outbox him. He beat him the first time.

AJ has the potential to dominate the era. I think he will going forward and has more scope to improve.

[oogiebe]

Fair play, I didn’t mean anything by it. It’s always difficult to compare boxers across eras. Really subjective and near impossible. I hope AJ, Wilder and Fury fight each other a least once and hopefully the best will go on to dominate. My moneys on AJ.

The more time goes by and after seeing Wilder vs AJ, the most interesting fight for me is Fury/AJ. Wilder needs to learn a new trick and I don't know if he can manage that. Looking forward to the next wave of title contenders.

Wilder is certainly the worst boxer of the three but dangerous. I know a lot has been said about Fury getting up, but if you watch the replays, neither shot was right on the money. Unless Wilder catches Fury clean, Fury will outbox him. He beat him the first time.

AJ has the potential to dominate the era. I think he will going forward and has more scope to improve.

No neither KD was from a clean hit. The good thing for Wilder is maybe he's learned to finish off with the left hook. (hopefully). AJ does seem to have the highest ceiling as he's the most complete fighter of the bunch.

[fanman]

wlad has the tools and size advantage to win. i feel he would probably panick under pressure, make a mistake and get ko'd though.

[Klee Gluckman]

Tyson with Rooney beats both.

I think Vitali gets too much credit here. It's not like he is hard to hit. I give Vitali credit for always coming in shape. But he won't beat a Rooney trained Tyson. Tyson is too good defensively.

Tyson with Rooney would not have lost to the Lewis Vitali fought either.

Lewis 2000 would have beaten Vitali much easier.

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[margaret thatcher]

mike would scary him silly. wlad would be frozen from the beginning, stopped with in 5

[NazNaci1]

Mike Tyson.

[Klee Gluckman]

This is just prior to the delusion of Robin Givens destroying him.

Tyson would absolutely destroy Wladimir in 1988.

However by 1989, he is divorced, his first child does not exist, Roney and Lott are gone and he is just a ghost of himself.

However I am assuming this is the Tyson that fought Holmes, Tubbs and Spinks and destroyed them in 15 minutes. That Tyson beats Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Jaywheel]

I'm not even sure if he weathers the 1st rd assault that Tyson brought against Lewis.

[keithmoonhangover]

The rapist by stoppage for me. Wlad's style depended on being in the centre ring and 88 Tyson would thrive on that. Tyson would come out firing, moving his head and Wlad would clinch...... a lot. At some point, Wlad would have to roll the dice and when he did, he'd be stopped. In 88, Tyson was a fearsome puncher with a great chin.

[Cojimar 1946]

Wlad by kayo

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The rapist by stoppage for me. Wlad's style depended on being in the centre ring and 88 Tyson would thrive on that. Tyson would come out firing, moving his head and Wlad would clinch...... a lot. At some point, Wlad would have to roll the dice and when he did, he'd be stopped. In 88, Tyson was a fearsome puncher with a great chin.

I see it a bit differently; Tyson was not very good against clinchers and Wlad was the master at clinching.

Tyson seemed to lack the ability or the desire to punch his way out of clinches.

Look at the Boneclutcher fight where Smith just clung onto Tyson like Mike was his new girlfriend and they were on a date and Tyson couldn't do anything about it.

Wladimir is not only a master clincher, he's a better fighter than Boneclutcher Smith.

[keithmoonhangover]

The rapist by stoppage for me. Wlad's style depended on being in the centre ring and 88 Tyson would thrive on that. Tyson would come out firing, moving his head and Wlad would clinch...... a lot. At some point, Wlad would have to roll the dice and when he did, he'd be stopped. In 88, Tyson was a fearsome puncher with a great chin.

I see it a bit differently; Tyson was not very good against clinchers and Wlad was the master at clinching.

Tyson seemed to lack the ability or the desire to punch his way out of clinches.

Look at the Boneclutcher fight where Smith just clung onto Tyson like Mike was his new girlfriend and they were on a date and Tyson couldn't do anything about it.

Wladimir is not only a master clincher, he's a better fighter than Boneclutcher Smith.

Yeah, but Bonecrusher lost ever round against Tyson. How is that being, 'not very good against clinchers'?

[Ambling Alp II]

And Bonecrusher did take some shot here and there. Wladimir simply can't take those shots.
His only chance of winning would be to fight like he did early in his career; being aggressive and going all out an hoping to nail Tyson before Tyson nails him. Tyson did have a good chin and would probably weather it, but it would be Klitschko's only hope.

His clutch and grab routine would not work against Tyson or anyone decent.

[gilgamesh]

The rapist by stoppage for me. Wlad's style depended on being in the centre ring and 88 Tyson would thrive on that. Tyson would come out firing, moving his head and Wlad would clinch...... a lot. At some point, Wlad would have to roll the dice and when he did, he'd be stopped. In 88, Tyson was a fearsome puncher with a great chin.

I see it a bit differently; Tyson was not very good against clinchers and Wlad was the master at clinching.

Tyson seemed to lack the ability or the desire to punch his way out of clinches.

Look at the Boneclutcher fight where Smith just clung onto Tyson like Mike was his new girlfriend and they were on a date and Tyson couldn't do anything about it.

Wladimir is not only a master clincher, he's a better fighter than Boneclutcher Smith.

Yeah, but Bonecrusher lost ever round against Tyson. How is that being, 'not very good against clinchers'?

There's a lot more skill to Wladimir's game than Bonecrusher's though. A much, much, much better jab in Wlad's favor.

[Ambling Alp II]

He isn't going to keep Tyson away for 12 rounds with his jab.

[gilgamesh]

I wouldn't think so either, but he'd surely have more success than Bonecrusher did which was essentially none.