Beyer vs Calzaghe in September

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 May 2006, 11:13

Max Molyneux wrote:
nas7232 wrote:Beyer is under-rated.
Since when?

It took him 12 rounds to catch Colajanni or however you spell his name.

colajanni almost got thrown out for running and not fighting Markus 'Beast' Beyer

bugs · Post by **bugs** » 17 May 2006, 11:13

The match ups may be controversial, but as a result of that the outcomes useually are not, I can only really think of the Johnny Nelson vs Tough Argentinian as a dodgy result

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 May 2006, 11:16

pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
josh fg wrote:I would be happy to see this fight hppening. I suspect it would end up being in the MEN or somewhere what with Warren's foolish gamble of buying exclusivity rights to promote fights there :S.

He mite not be the best option out there but even I who am certainly not shy to critisise Calzaghe will not have a go for taking a title unification fight. Lets hope this one comes off, they could even put woods on the undercard to create interest for a futour fight.
I hope Warren gets the promotional rights to stage it at the MEN, too many Sauerland fights are contriversial.
But Warren fights aren't??

i don't always agree about these lucky german based decisions. i mean lucky according to whom - gospel according to steve holdsworth. i saw nothing wrong with eride beating garay bpth times

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 May 2006, 11:17

bugs wrote:The match ups may be controversial, but as a result of that the outcomes useually are not, I can only really think of the Johnny Nelson vs Tough Argentinian as a dodgy result

you mean the tough panamanian, guillermo jones (D12, 2002, in derby)?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 17 May 2006, 11:18

bugs wrote:The match ups may be controversial, but as a result of that the outcomes useually are not, I can only really think of the Johnny Nelson vs Tough Argentinian as a dodgy result

panama!!!!

bugs · Post by **bugs** » 17 May 2006, 11:18

That's the one, horrible result, Nelson was clearly beaten. Thought he was Argentinian, but Panama will do

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 17 May 2006, 11:20

bugs wrote:That's the one, horrible result, Nelson was clearly beaten. Thought he was Argentinian, but Panama will do

i knew who you meant!!!
jones is a classic, surely the only guy in history to lose wafer thin world title fights at light middle and cruiser!!!!!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 May 2006, 11:22

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Every promoter gets to a point where they figure that one of their big fighters is nearing the end, and will encourage them to take the high risk fight for big money and a retirement fund enhancing purse. Beyer probably doesn't have too many big nights left in him, and it's not like there are many people offering him big money either.

I guess it would make sense to offer good money as it would all enhance the build up for a Calzaghe v Tarver fight (for instance) if he has another belt.

probably the only time sauersausage would risk beyer is to send him off to win the title in the first place (against woodhall) and as you say, as his career nears the end

but i hear beyer was badly cut last time out (was it a week ago, or two?) - this could put things off. also, if calzaghe's dad turned down andrade, he might go over and do to him what danny green was supposed to. beyer could well be out of the equation

anyone think HBO are full of shirt for suggesting paul briggs? how the hell does briggs move down in weight, he's too meaty. and why would calzaghe move up at 7 weeks notice, and fight the hardest fu/cking puncher in the light heavyweight division?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 17 May 2006, 11:23

JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.

Poor Jimmy

fist · Post by **fist** » 17 May 2006, 15:00

JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.

And just in case anyone hasnt heard pundits opinions on Joe:

"He blasted a hand-selected, clumsy, limited opponent as I said he would"

"Lacy was overhyped and handpicked before as much as after the fight. No excuses there, just simple facts."

"Feeding overhyped and handselected fighters to Calzaghe - while avoiding the true challenges - is all F.rank Warren has done for the past 10 years."

"He has - and forever only will- fought exclusively handselected opponents who suit his style."

"Handpicked, handpicked, handpicked."

"For beating a hand-selected, taylor-made, over-hyped opponent?"

"it was clear to me from day one that Lacy was taylor-made and hand-selected, and that his limitations would feed perfectly into Calzaghe's highspeed-slapping style."

"He proved himself agasint a hand-selected, taylor-made opponent."

"The fact of the matter is: Calzaghe can only beat tomato cans and limited ring-bullies, handselected by Frank W.arren."

"it doesn't show more than that Joe Calzaghe can beat a hand-selected, taylor-made, limited, over-hyped opponent - in line with what he's done the 10 years before that fight."

"Joe fought a limited, hand-selected slugger"

"Of course Lacy was handpicked"

"Joe LOOKS LIKE world class against hand-selected, limited, over-hyped sluggers. Noone is better than him in annilihating walking punching bags."

"Mundine is a better figher than every single of the hand-selected opponents Calzaghe has clobbered in his entire career"

"JC prefers, as we all know, to fight handselected, unskilled sluggers with the right passport"

"All he did was taking a cheap fight against a handlsected slugger."

dumdane · Post by **dumdane** » 17 May 2006, 15:02

nas7232 wrote:Beyer is under-rated.

Generally i would be inclined to agree that ppl are being TOO hard on Beyer.
However judging from his last effort against Bika, I'm not so sure anymore.
Hopefully if Beyer ever has another meaningfull fight against top-level opposition, we'll see a much more motivated and improved Beyer.

(a bit like Calzaghe suddently shining after some less than spectacular fights)

dumdane · Post by **dumdane** » 17 May 2006, 15:11

Twinkle Toes wrote:Two rolling eye smileys is a stellar defence Pundit.

Oh and by the way, just in case you didn't know, Kessler and his team were demanding the earth to fight Calzaghe, quite a useful tool to use when you dont want to fight someone.

For the last couple of day everyone has been saying that Kessler deliberately outpriced himself from a Calzaghe fight being offered. Can someone PLEASE direct me to the source of this info.

All i've seen is a columnist at some other site making some remarks about it - but making no mention of a source. From where does this supposedly new info come?

It confuses me a bit since the few times Calzaghe has even mentioned Kessler, he's been making it clear that he wasn't interestet in a Kessler fight for the time being. This is Not consistant with Calzaghe having offered Kessler anything at all. But if someone has some different info - please share.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 17 May 2006, 15:38

JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.

That told you, eh Pundit?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 17 May 2006, 16:04

Taki... wrote:
JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.
That told you, eh Pundit?

Yeah, I'm shocked and upset and will never talk to you guys again.

You hope.....

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 17 May 2006, 16:07

fist wrote:
JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.
And just in case anyone hasnt heard pundits opinions on Joe:

"He blasted a hand-selected, clumsy, limited opponent as I said he would"

"Lacy was overhyped and handpicked before as much as after the fight. No excuses there, just simple facts."

"Feeding overhyped and handselected fighters to Calzaghe - while avoiding the true challenges - is all F.rank Warren has done for the past 10 years."

"He has - and forever only will- fought exclusively handselected opponents who suit his style."

"Handpicked, handpicked, handpicked."

"For beating a hand-selected, taylor-made, over-hyped opponent?"

"it was clear to me from day one that Lacy was taylor-made and hand-selected, and that his limitations would feed perfectly into Calzaghe's highspeed-slapping style."

"He proved himself agasint a hand-selected, taylor-made opponent."

"The fact of the matter is: Calzaghe can only beat tomato cans and limited ring-bullies, handselected by Frank W.arren."

"it doesn't show more than that Joe Calzaghe can beat a hand-selected, taylor-made, limited, over-hyped opponent - in line with what he's done the 10 years before that fight."

"Joe fought a limited, hand-selected slugger"

"Of course Lacy was handpicked"

"Joe LOOKS LIKE world class against hand-selected, limited, over-hyped sluggers. Noone is better than him in annilihating walking punching bags."

"Mundine is a better figher than every single of the hand-selected opponents Calzaghe has clobbered in his entire career"

"JC prefers, as we all know, to fight handselected, unskilled sluggers with the right passport"

"All he did was taking a cheap fight against a handlsected slugger."

Thanks for the comprehensive listing - will comeback to it at the appropriate occasion.

fist · Post by **fist** » 17 May 2006, 17:55

pundit wrote:
fist wrote:
JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.
And just in case anyone hasnt heard pundits opinions on Joe:

"He blasted a hand-selected, clumsy, limited opponent as I said he would"

"Lacy was overhyped and handpicked before as much as after the fight. No excuses there, just simple facts."

"Feeding overhyped and handselected fighters to Calzaghe - while avoiding the true challenges - is all F.rank Warren has done for the past 10 years."

"He has - and forever only will- fought exclusively handselected opponents who suit his style."

"Handpicked, handpicked, handpicked."

"For beating a hand-selected, taylor-made, over-hyped opponent?"

"it was clear to me from day one that Lacy was taylor-made and hand-selected, and that his limitations would feed perfectly into Calzaghe's highspeed-slapping style."

"He proved himself agasint a hand-selected, taylor-made opponent."

"The fact of the matter is: Calzaghe can only beat tomato cans and limited ring-bullies, handselected by Frank W.arren."

"it doesn't show more than that Joe Calzaghe can beat a hand-selected, taylor-made, limited, over-hyped opponent - in line with what he's done the 10 years before that fight."

"Joe fought a limited, hand-selected slugger"

"Of course Lacy was handpicked"

"Joe LOOKS LIKE world class against hand-selected, limited, over-hyped sluggers. Noone is better than him in annilihating walking punching bags."

"Mundine is a better figher than every single of the hand-selected opponents Calzaghe has clobbered in his entire career"

"JC prefers, as we all know, to fight handselected, unskilled sluggers with the right passport"

"All he did was taking a cheap fight against a handlsected slugger."
Thanks for the comprehensive listing - will comeback to it at the appropriate occasion.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 17 May 2006, 18:53

bugs wrote:The match ups may be controversial, but as a result of that the outcomes useually are not, I can only really think of the Johnny Nelson vs Tough Argentinian as a dodgy result

Oh there have been more than that.

Harrison vs Polo

Barnes vs Vincent

Incidentally, the Jones vs Nelson fight was a draw.

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 17 May 2006, 21:44

I think Calzaghe will try all he can to get to Mundine before someone else does. If he does and he beats him, it will be one of the cheapest good-looking resumes in boxing that Joe will have.

Mundine would imo. clearly beat Beyer - so would Bute and possibly even Braehmer.

So - yeah - it sounds like Beyer will actually be a Calzaghe opponent.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 17 May 2006, 23:55

Deram wrote:I think Calzaghe will try all he can to get to Mundine before someone else does. If he does and he beats him, it will be one of the cheapest good-looking resumes in boxing that Joe will have.

Mundine would imo. clearly beat Beyer - so would Bute and possibly even Braehmer.

So - yeah - it sounds like Beyer will actually be a Calzaghe opponent.

Better than Tsypko though, right?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 18 May 2006, 03:50

fist wrote:
JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:It was only a matter of time before this decent enough thread was invaded by the wurst licking twat that is Pundit.

I know German Sausage is your speciality, but understand other people like to use this forum, and we've ALL heard your opinions on the matter on numerous occasions. How about leave everybody else to chat about it you broken fcuking record.
And just in case anyone hasnt heard pundits opinions on Joe:

"He blasted a hand-selected, clumsy, limited opponent as I said he would"

"Lacy was overhyped and handpicked before as much as after the fight. No excuses there, just simple facts."

"Feeding overhyped and handselected fighters to Calzaghe - while avoiding the true challenges - is all F.rank Warren has done for the past 10 years."

"He has - and forever only will- fought exclusively handselected opponents who suit his style."

"Handpicked, handpicked, handpicked."

"For beating a hand-selected, taylor-made, over-hyped opponent?"

"it was clear to me from day one that Lacy was taylor-made and hand-selected, and that his limitations would feed perfectly into Calzaghe's highspeed-slapping style."

"He proved himself agasint a hand-selected, taylor-made opponent."

"The fact of the matter is: Calzaghe can only beat tomato cans and limited ring-bullies, handselected by Frank W.arren."

"it doesn't show more than that Joe Calzaghe can beat a hand-selected, taylor-made, limited, over-hyped opponent - in line with what he's done the 10 years before that fight."

"Joe fought a limited, hand-selected slugger"

"Of course Lacy was handpicked"

"Joe LOOKS LIKE world class against hand-selected, limited, over-hyped sluggers. Noone is better than him in annilihating walking punching bags."

"Mundine is a better figher than every single of the hand-selected opponents Calzaghe has clobbered in his entire career"

"JC prefers, as we all know, to fight handselected, unskilled sluggers with the right passport"

"All he did was taking a cheap fight against a handlsected slugger."

Lacy picked Joe not Joe picking Lacy and it was the fans who wanted it so he took it.

Overhyped because of guys like you thinking he could KO Joe.

Reid was a true challenge and Mitchell one was a good brawl. Plus when has anyone in Super Middleweight been that good to be a challenge?

Your exagerating the handselected bit.

Your repeating your self about Lacy.

It wasn't clear to most of the fans except me that Calzaghe was going to lay the smack down since he's too good for nearly everyone in the SuperMiddle division. People bought into Lacy being able to hit too hard and then said Calzaghe was past his prime.

No he proved himself against guys like Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell etc who were former champs.

Bumdine has more of a mouth than talent and hasn't left Australia ever since Ottke KO'ed him.

Mundine's best win before Green was Echols and I hear people hoped he had fought Green around 2003.

Mundine was offered a fight with Joe once but didn't take it because it was only 50k and Warren wanted options on him. Shows how much he's worth outside of Australia.

Bumdine is scared to fight guys like Kessler so he runs. Plus he was outboxed by Siaca enuff said.

Handselected is bs since Lacy picked him.

He talked words of wisdom and backed it up.

lvlarc_uk I agree it would be better than Tsypko anyway who got a gift fighting Magee.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 18 May 2006, 05:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It depends who else is on the bill how it is built up and where it is staged. They should be able to sell this to the Welsh Public who have now apparently warmed to Calzaghe more since his win over Jeff.

Perhaps boxingchat can tell us how Many tickets were sold at Calzaghe's last fight against Lacy?

So it wasn´t sold out? Do they have a big hall in Wales? The Millenium Stadium might be too big? Or is he that popular? Ricky Hatton could sell out the Manchester City Stadium.....

I could imagine that Joe fights for 3 million Euros in Germany because he knows that Beyer is chanceless, normally. That could make the fight possible. Warren doesn´t pay 2-3 millions to Markus.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 18 May 2006, 19:07

How much is 3 million Euros in pounds?

states · Post by **states** » 18 May 2006, 20:10

Max Molyneux wrote:How much is 3 million Euros in pounds?

Not quite sure why you're winking..... But it's £2,037,900 right now. As I'm sure you knew. No way is Warren paying that to Calzaghe, let alone a Calzaghe opponent. Bubi is right, Joe can make bigger money by going to Germany. The fact that he got a career high payday by going over there to face Veit again tells it's own story. Germany is the place to be for the big bucks (or Deutschmarks, should I say) these days. It's worth noting that German TV has shown the recent heavyweight title fights at their time, rather than an early morning start in order to accomodate American TV.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 May 2006, 07:37

Deram wrote:I think Calzaghe will try all he can to get to Mundine before someone else does. If he does and he beats him, it will be one of the cheapest good-looking resumes in boxing that Joe will have.

Mundine would imo. clearly beat Beyer - so would Bute and possibly even Braehmer.

So - yeah - it sounds like Beyer will actually be a Calzaghe opponent.

beyer hits even harder than sven ottke, fool! mundine would not be able to take the knockout bombs of beyer, if he couldn't take ottke's missiles

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 19 May 2006, 09:54

Deram wrote:I think Calzaghe will try all he can to get to Mundine before someone else does. If he does and he beats him, it will be one of the cheapest good-looking resumes in boxing that Joe will have.

Mundine would imo. clearly beat Beyer - so would Bute and possibly even Braehmer.

So - yeah - it sounds like Beyer will actually be a Calzaghe opponent.

You do the same mistake as many Calzaghe-fans: you think it makes your boy (Kessler) look better if you denigrate other fighters (Beyer). It doesn't - all it does is that it costs you credibility.