pac vs broner over 400k us ppv buys

[oogiebe]

https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/b ... t-paydirt/



It took me about 10 seconds to find this.

I was surprised to see the viewership for Leonard vs Dave Boy Green drew 55 million. Those were the days!

I have no idea where these numbers came from, but I needed a break from my comp exam and this thread was at the top

They came straight from Neilson ratings which is the most credible source one can get for viewership. Good look on the exam!

[Onetimeonly]

Yeah SAAD, where were you living?! Somewhere foreign like Omaha perhaps?

I definitely wasn't watching boxing on my 4 channels lin Baltimore like the 46 million that watched Holmes/shavers 2!

I remember "Saad off the deck" and remember reading some good posts from you about a year or so ago. But I do NOT accept your overly generous claim that 46 MILLION watched Holmes-Shavers 2!! Back then a typical SUPER BOWL had a yearly TV audience of about 70 million TV viewers, so that 46 million sounds like something you grabbed out of thin air. There's gotta be some article, website or report you could provide a link to if you are gonna make outrageous claims like that. Sports history is well-documented on the Internet..

I looked for a link that could either refute or confirm that 46 million viewers claim and couldnt find anything. Feel free to do the same thing...

Wow, you suck worse at googling than you do at understanding the viewership of boxing in the 70s and early 80s. No worries, I'm here to educate you my son.

[Onetimeonly]

I remember "Saad off the deck" and remember reading some good posts from you about a year or so ago. But I do NOT accept your overly generous claim that 46 MILLION watched Holmes-Shavers 2!! Back then a typical SUPER BOWL had a yearly TV audience of about 70 million TV viewers, so that 46 million sounds like something you grabbed out of thin air. There's gotta be some article, website or report you could provide a link to if you are gonna make outrageous claims like that. Sports history is well-documented on the Internet..

I looked for a link that could either refute or confirm that 46 million viewers claim and couldnt find anything. Feel free to do the same thing...

https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/b ... t-paydirt/

In September 1979, Holmes and Shavers (with Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard in separate bouts on the undercard) drew 46 million viewers in what was an entertaining rematch, highlighted by a knockdown scored by Shavers in the seventh round.

It took me about 10 seconds to find this.

I was surprised to see the viewership for Leonard vs Dave Boy Green drew 55 million. Those were the days!

Monday night boxing! That was 4 fights from 3 sites but boxing was massive then. Duran was a huge part of it. Arguello was hugely popular too. We talked fights in grade school then. They don't now. Manny is certainly in the discussion. the clear-cut #1 ever in all sports that can t even be debated is as dumb a statement as you'll see. Much less ridiculing for pages when you don't have a clue. Anyway, on to the next schooling.

[oogiebe]

https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/b ... t-paydirt/



It took me about 10 seconds to find this.

I was surprised to see the viewership for Leonard vs Dave Boy Green drew 55 million. Those were the days!

Monday night boxing! That was 4 fights from 3 sites but boxing was massive then. Duran was a huge part of it. Arguello was hugely popular too. We talked fights in grade school then. They don't now. Manny is certainly in the discussion. the clear-cut #1 ever in all sports that can t even be debated is as dumb a statement as you'll see. Much less ridiculing for pages when you don't have a clue. Anyway, on to the next schooling.

It was the best of times for boxing in the US! The fighters of the day were in the main stream sports discussions. Fighters like Boom Boom Mancini were hugely popular as well as Duran; Leonard; Sanchez; Hearns; Hagler; Holmes; Arguello; Pryor; etc etc. Ah the good old days are gone forever...

[Onetimeonly]

They are, but it had its drawbacks. I had to wait a few days to find out who won fights like Sanchez/Gomez. Heck I found out hagler/hearns was cancelled when a who concert was on as I frantically(awesome concert btw} tried to figure out why it was holding back the fight!

[oogiebe]

They are, but it had its drawbacks. I had to wait a few days to find out who won fights like Sanchez/Gomez. Heck I found out hagler/hearns was cancelled when a who concert was on as I frantically(awesome concert btw} tried to figure out why it was holding back the fight!

I used to tune into UHF Boxeo Professionale and see a host of Hispanic fighters when I lived in NY (Zarate/Zamora etc). It was a bit staticky but there were fights on almost nightly, mostly from California. Jimmy Lennon Sr. was the only English I heard, but I'd give my left nut to have that back.

[Onetimeonly]

Yeah, for a while one of the pay channelswas scrambled with sound on my UHF. I listened to Tommy/Wilfred and Gomez/pintor that way.

[SenorPipino]

Blessed memories.

Puts boxing today to shame.

Those guys were fistic legends. Today, just conniving businessmen who happen to also lace up gloves.

[Best Coast]

I definitely wasn't watching boxing on my 4 channels lin Baltimore like the 46 million that watched Holmes/shavers 2!

I remember "Saad off the deck" and remember reading some good posts from you about a year or so ago. But I do NOT accept your overly generous claim that 46 MILLION watched Holmes-Shavers 2!! Back then a typical SUPER BOWL had a yearly TV audience of about 70 million TV viewers, so that 46 million sounds like something you grabbed out of thin air. There's gotta be some article, website or report you could provide a link to if you are gonna make outrageous claims like that. Sports history is well-documented on the Internet..

I looked for a link that could either refute or confirm that 46 million viewers claim and couldnt find anything. Feel free to do the same thing...

Wow, you suck worse at googling than you do at understanding the viewership of boxing in the 70s and early 80s. No worries, I'm here to educate you my son.

I'm not real tech-savvy, I'll readily admit that. Arguments come and arguments go. Looks like you won this one. Hopefully you wont let it go to your head too much.

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I remember "Saad off the deck" and remember reading some good posts from you about a year or so ago. But I do NOT accept your overly generous claim that 46 MILLION watched Holmes-Shavers 2!! Back then a typical SUPER BOWL had a yearly TV audience of about 70 million TV viewers, so that 46 million sounds like something you grabbed out of thin air. There's gotta be some article, website or report you could provide a link to if you are gonna make outrageous claims like that. Sports history is well-documented on the Internet..

I looked for a link that could either refute or confirm that 46 million viewers claim and couldnt find anything. Feel free to do the same thing...

Wow, you suck worse at googling than you do at understanding the viewership of boxing in the 70s and early 80s. No worries, I'm here to educate you my son.

I'm not real tech-savvy, I'll readily admit that. Arguments come and arguments go. Looks like you won this one. Hopefully you wont let it go to your head too much.

No worries there, if my head got any bigger in regards to boxing in that era it would pop.

[tiny_acres]

Ok no arguing that boxing on free tv when there were essentially 4 channels did astronomical numbers.
But how can we compare a heavyweight championship fight in a time where your options were watching 3 other channels one being pbs. To 4 million plus paying $100 on a PPV?
It is comparing apples to oranges.
And I'm not going to get into the argument that boxing was ore popular in America in the 70's we all already know that.
But does 56 million people watching Heavyweight title fight equal 4 plus million paying $100 to see it on tv?
Just a question. Not taking any sides. Just wanting to hear the sides on this

[Onetimeonly]

The question was popularity. Sorry, I chose that fight because Duran was on the televised undercard and I was mocked for saying his no mas comeback fight likely pulled 10 million. He was viewed by many more Americans. I don't know the formula, just wasn't willing to accept Manny as a definitive answer as most popular foreign athlete here in history and threw out Duran because he also is a boxer. Thought that was apples to apples.

[tiny_acres]

The question was popularity. Sorry, I chose that fight because Duran was on the televised undercard and I was mocked for saying his no mas comeback fight likely pulled 10 million. He was viewed by many more Americans. I don't know the formula, just wasn't willing to accept Manny as a definitive answer as most popular foreign athlete here in history and threw out Duran because he also is a boxer. Thought that was apples to apples.

The entire thing just has me curious now on who really was the most popular

[Onetimeonly]

The question was popularity. Sorry, I chose that fight because Duran was on the televised undercard and I was mocked for saying his no mas comeback fight likely pulled 10 million. He was viewed by many more Americans. I don't know the formula, just wasn't willing to accept Manny as a definitive answer as most popular foreign athlete here in history and threw out Duran because he also is a boxer. Thought that was apples to apples.

The entire thing just has me curious now on who really was the most popular

Duran was really popular, hard to imagine he didn't have more fans. But I wouldn't bet the house on it like I would that he'd kick PACs ass.

[SenorPipino]

Is "popularity" defined here as "most watched" or "most liked.?"

Pacquiao is probably liked more. He comes across as a humble, nice guy. Duran was an arrogant SOB. Not warm and cuddly. Just the ultimate badass.

But there can't be much question that Duran was more widely viewed.

He appeared frequently during his lightweight heyday on free network television. Big bouts with DeJesus, Buchanan and Ray Lampkin were beamed into your living room at no charge. Huge viewership.

Pacquiao might be little more than a familiar name to ordinary sports fans and casuals. But certainly not a very familiar sight.

I don't believe that he has ever appeared on an over the air free broadcast. The closest thing would have been the Horn fight on regular ESPN.

Pac fights in relative visual obscurity on expensive premium cable and PPV. The numbers those fights draw can't possibly approach the audience that viewed Duran in even second tier network bouts versus Lou Bizzaro or Vilomar Fernandez.

I don't think there's any question that Duran was more widely seen and recognized by 1970s television viewers than Pacquiao has ever been.

It doesn't make Duran better liked or necessarily a better fighter.

It's simply the reality of the vast television audience that was available for boxing 40+ years ago versus the diminished viewership for the niche sport that boxing has become today.

[Onetimeonly]

Who had more American fans? Manny certainly had a high percentage of boxing fans in his corner, so did Duran. It's not like people weren't cheering for Morales against Manny. Duran being watched by so many tens of millions more boxing fans means something. The only certainty is Duran was a better fighter.

[tiny_acres]

Who had more American fans? Manny certainly had a high percentage of boxing fans in his corner, so did Duran. It's not like people weren't cheering for Morales against Manny. Duran being watched by so many tens of millions more boxing fans means something. The only certainty is Duran was a better fighter.

This we can 100% agree on.

[Best Coast]

Is "popularity" defined here as "most watched" or "most liked.?"

Pacquiao is probably liked more. He comes across as a humble, nice guy. Duran was an arrogant SOB. Not warm and cuddly. Just the ultimate badass.

But there can't be much question that Duran was more widely viewed.

One of my original points was that Duran's arrogance made him less popular than Pacquiao. But I strayed from that point and got lured into a debate on who had the most viewers. That was the wrong "battlefield" and it turned out to be a losing battle.

There were lots of Americans who watched Duran fights hoping he would lose.

It took that great article "Punchout" linked to finally shut me up:

https://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/b ... t-paydirt/

In September 1979, Holmes and Shavers (with Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard in separate bouts on the undercard) drew 46 million viewers in what was an entertaining rematch, highlighted by a knockdown scored by Shavers in the seventh round.

That definitely snapped me out of my robotic tirade!!

[Best Coast]

I'm not real tech-savvy, I'll readily admit that. Arguments come and arguments go. Looks like you won this one. Hopefully you wont let it go to your head too much.

No worries there, if my head got any bigger in regards to boxing in that era it would pop.

I'll give you props for skilled debating too. Not sure if it was intentional on your part but you managed to lure me into an argument of whether Pac or Duran had the most TV viewers!!

When "Punchout" dropped the hammer on me with that article confirming your claim that Holmes-Shavers II had 46 million viewers I didnt have a leg to stand on!!

Props to you guys for dropping me with the punch I didnt see coming.

[Onetimeonly]

It wasn't a lure, I never even said Duran was more popular. Just saying the numbers of fans watching is pertinent.

[Best Coast]

It wasn't a lure, I never even said Duran was more popular. Just saying the numbers of fans watching is pertinent.

I guess I was giving you too much credit on that one. Apparently a faulty assumption on my part. Thanks for being honest about it...

[Onetimeonly]

I just remembered that number because it surprised me whenever I first saw it.