The best HW you have ever seen ?

[Tony1244]

I got a special thing for Lennox Lewis... IMHO he's widely underrated: such a responsible fighter, with such a strong will, solid work-ethics, and unquestionable natural makings, cannot be bypassed so easily.

He belongs in that paradoxical category of fighters that are underrated due to not having fought in the most competitive era of their respective weight-classes: there are champions who benefit from that (Anthony Joshua and GGG above all), becoming tremendously overhyped, and fighters that have just not been able to fight on equal terms with huge names, because they simply weren't there at the right time (that's the case of Marciano, Calzaghe, and arguably Floyd Mayweather Jr.), therefore ending up to be underrated, obviously, as written already.

His record is more than respectable, with only two (avenged) losses testifying his winning mentality, and considering the fact that he has been an outstanding amateur, without taking anything from the Olympic fascinating glory, turning pro at the not-so-early age of 24, (technically a very bad choice, in my view, considering Lewis' means), we could say that, summing up both his amateur and professional achievements, he's really something special.

Technically, he was less flawed and more complete than most heavyweight boxing champions in history, from early clinchers/grabbers/wrestlers (with all due respect), to Alí himself. Tyson's boxing proficiency waned too dramatically when he lost his former speed, and Lewis never experienced such a fall from grace: I still think that Lennox might be the only one really being able to put Joe Louis' obvious superiority in serious jeopardy: Lewis had a wondrous lead right hand, granite chin, and a one-two that has Anthony Joshua blushing: the most powerful one-two I've ever seen in a boxer.

To me, arguably the greatest heavyweight in history, hands down.

I keep asking myself when I look at HWs historically should I do it P4P? Either way, LL is in my top 5.

[Onetimeonly]

Great fighter, reasonable anywhere from 3 to 10. He definitely didn't have a granite chin. Prime for prime evander would beat him for me. Second fight was razor close.

[oogiebe]

Sol (Bagel Boy) Nazerman

[Tony1244]

Sol (Bagel Boy) Nazerman

I just spent a few seconds of my life, I'll never get back looking that name up.

[oogiebe]

Sol (Bagel Boy) Nazerman

I just spent a few seconds of my life, I'll never get back looking that name up.

LMAO! Let me know if you can't find him.

[Tony1244]

Sol (Bagel Boy) Nazerman

I just spent a few seconds of my life, I'll never get back looking that name up.

LMAO! Let me know if you can't find him.

I thought I already did! I'll try again, I am a lousy typer.

[MasterG]

If you are meaning live I would have to say Gorge Foreman.

If you are just meaning seen (not live just on tv) I would say Mike Tyson.

[Tony1244]

If you are meaning live I would have to say Gorge Foreman.

If you are just meaning seen (not live just on tv) I would say Mike Tyson.

Who did you see Foreman fight?

[Onetimeonly]

I went to cooney.

[MasterG]

If you are meaning live I would have to say Gorge Foreman.

If you are just meaning seen (not live just on tv) I would say Mike Tyson.

Who did you see Foreman fight?

Terry Anderson

[Tony1244]

I went to cooney.

I won a bet with my brother on that fight. FG said Cooney hit him hard. Remember that punch?

[Onetimeonly]

I went to cooney.

I won a bet with my brother on that fight. FG said Cooney hit him hard. Remember that punch?

Yeah, like everything with cooney a bit overplayed. He's the most overrated underrated boxer in history.

[Tony1244]

After having the benefit of watching fights on youtube etc, I see Cooney's power as overrated and his boxing ability a bit underrated. Everyone remembers his "power" against Norton and Young but they were on the way down.

[Onetimeonly]

He was OK. Never a fan. His best performance was Chaplin. I think Norton, young and Lyle all beat him handily even just a little post prime

[Tony1244]

Cooney KOd Chapman and Prater in 2, but struggled in both. I saw the later. I was a teen then and overrated his power.

[Jacopodb]

I got a special thing for Lennox Lewis... IMHO he's widely underrated: such a responsible fighter, with such a strong will, solid work-ethics, and unquestionable natural makings, cannot be bypassed so easily.

He belongs in that paradoxical category of fighters that are underrated due to not having fought in the most competitive era of their respective weight-classes: there are champions who benefit from that (Anthony Joshua and GGG above all), becoming tremendously overhyped, and fighters that have just not been able to fight on equal terms with huge names, because they simply weren't there at the right time (that's the case of Marciano, Calzaghe, and arguably Floyd Mayweather Jr.), therefore ending up to be underrated, obviously, as written already.

His record is more than respectable, with only two (avenged) losses testifying his winning mentality, and considering the fact that he has been an outstanding amateur, without taking anything from the Olympic fascinating glory, turning pro at the not-so-early age of 24, (technically a very bad choice, in my view, considering Lewis' means), we could say that, summing up both his amateur and professional achievements, he's really something special.

Technically, he was less flawed and more complete than most heavyweight boxing champions in history, from early clinchers/grabbers/wrestlers (with all due respect), to Alí himself. Tyson's boxing proficiency waned too dramatically when he lost his former speed, and Lewis never experienced such a fall from grace: I still think that Lennox might be the only one really being able to put Joe Louis' obvious superiority in serious jeopardy: Lewis had a wondrous lead right hand, granite chin, and a one-two that has Anthony Joshua blushing: the most powerful one-two I've ever seen in a boxer.

To me, arguably the greatest heavyweight in history, hands down.

I keep asking myself when I look at HWs historically should I do it P4P? Either way, LL is in my top 5.

You mean considering the fact that, for example, Marciano should be considered as a light-heavyweight, and not as a proper heavyweight?

[dickbelden]

muhammad ali aka cassius clay

[Tony1244]

I got a special thing for Lennox Lewis... IMHO he's widely underrated: such a responsible fighter, with such a strong will, solid work-ethics, and unquestionable natural makings, cannot be bypassed so easily.

He belongs in that paradoxical category of fighters that are underrated due to not having fought in the most competitive era of their respective weight-classes: there are champions who benefit from that (Anthony Joshua and GGG above all), becoming tremendously overhyped, and fighters that have just not been able to fight on equal terms with huge names, because they simply weren't there at the right time (that's the case of Marciano, Calzaghe, and arguably Floyd Mayweather Jr.), therefore ending up to be underrated, obviously, as written already.

His record is more than respectable, with only two (avenged) losses testifying his winning mentality, and considering the fact that he has been an outstanding amateur, without taking anything from the Olympic fascinating glory, turning pro at the not-so-early age of 24, (technically a very bad choice, in my view, considering Lewis' means), we could say that, summing up both his amateur and professional achievements, he's really something special.

Technically, he was less flawed and more complete than most heavyweight boxing champions in history, from early clinchers/grabbers/wrestlers (with all due respect), to Alí himself. Tyson's boxing proficiency waned too dramatically when he lost his former speed, and Lewis never experienced such a fall from grace: I still think that Lennox might be the only one really being able to put Joe Louis' obvious superiority in serious jeopardy: Lewis had a wondrous lead right hand, granite chin, and a one-two that has Anthony Joshua blushing: the most powerful one-two I've ever seen in a boxer.

To me, arguably the greatest heavyweight in history, hands down.

I keep asking myself when I look at HWs historically should I do it P4P? Either way, LL is in my top 5.

You mean considering the fact that, for example, Marciano should be considered as a light-heavyweight, and not as a proper heavyweight?

Exactly. I'm not one of these people that think there should be a another weight category every 3 pounds and a good smaller man sometimes wins.

But yeah, a 195 LBS Louis or 185 LBS Marciano vs a 250 LBS Lewis or Klitschko is way too vast. Even though, they're all officially Has, come on.......

[Onetimeonly]

Louis would rip up either Klitschko.

[Duran1970]

And Lewis

[Tony1244]

Louis would rip up either Klitschko.

Even @ 195?

[skanksta]

Louis would rip up either Klitschko.

Even @ 195?

No.
It's too much. Let's say you think that X is the greatest featherweight of all time. He beats Valdez and Warrington and whatnot all day long - he probably would too - but you're effectively asking him to beat Callum Smith instead.
Louis could easily beat Wlad on a bad day because any puncher could, but how could he beat Vitali when his biggest weapon was size and intimidation ?
He couldn't do it.

[Jacopodb]

And Lewis

Would be one of those fights I would die to watch anyway, because the class is pretty close: wouldn't be a walkover for either ones.

I agree on Louis eating alive both Klitschkos, altho Vitali would fight tooth and nail: he definitely would give Louis a bad quarter hour.
Wlad is a nice, humble, quiet guy, but I doubt his nerve would cope with Louis' fearsome power.

Similarly, Marciano would slaughter any light-heavyweight around.

[paddy chavez]

I got a special thing for Lennox Lewis... IMHO he's widely underrated: such a responsible fighter, with such a strong will, solid work-ethics, and unquestionable natural makings, cannot be bypassed so easily.

He belongs in that paradoxical category of fighters that are underrated due to not having fought in the most competitive era of their respective weight-classes: there are champions who benefit from that (Anthony Joshua and GGG above all), becoming tremendously overhyped, and fighters that have just not been able to fight on equal terms with huge names, because they simply weren't there at the right time (that's the case of Marciano, Calzaghe, and arguably Floyd Mayweather Jr.), therefore ending up to be underrated, obviously, as written already.

His record is more than respectable, with only two (avenged) losses testifying his winning mentality, and considering the fact that he has been an outstanding amateur, without taking anything from the Olympic fascinating glory, turning pro at the not-so-early age of 24, (technically a very bad choice, in my view, considering Lewis' means), we could say that, summing up both his amateur and professional achievements, he's really something special.

Technically, he was less flawed and more complete than most heavyweight boxing champions in history, from early clinchers/grabbers/wrestlers (with all due respect), to Alí himself. Tyson's boxing proficiency waned too dramatically when he lost his former speed, and Lewis never experienced such a fall from grace: I still think that Lennox might be the only one really being able to put Joe Louis' obvious superiority in serious jeopardy: Lewis had a wondrous lead right hand, granite chin, and a one-two that has Anthony Joshua blushing: the most powerful one-two I've ever seen in a boxer.

To me, arguably the greatest heavyweight in history, hands down.

Granite chin he got sparked twice .,....and lead right hand????

[Onetimeonly]

Louis would rip up either Klitschko.

Even @ 195?

Absolutely