Tommy Fury v Marcellos Wilder

[MasterG]

On the undercard of Tyson Fury v Deontay Wilder.

Interesting fight.

[TheLeprechaun]

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[DrDuke]

The Gypsy Kid vs The Bombed Bummer.

[oogiebe]

The Gypsy Kid vs The Bombed Bummer.

[MasterG]

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Im guessing you have no faith in this post.

[Cyclops]

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Convince us.

[Pukka Cheese]

Even ignoring Marcellos' recent loss...
He doesn't seem like a fighting man to me. More like a Wilder groupy who has been given the blessing to go and make some money from his surname.

He might be bigger, heavier, stronger, older but....

Tommy Fury has been moving and jabbing since he was old enough to walk.
I think the first time he was revealed to the public he was ~14 years old, loved body building/staying in shape & tagging along on Peter Fury training camps? The difference in pedigree would be huge.

If they can sell this fight good for them i guess. But for me it would be binman vs prospect...

[MasterG]

BTW, the likely date will be May 18th

[oogiebe]

Is this a real fite?

No. just a concept for Fury squared vs Wilder squared.

[Coco]

I looked again at his debut fight on YouTube, and next to it was a Freddie Roach interview on the Fury v Wilder fight. He was very critical of Ben Davison and his tactics, saying if Tyson was more aggressive(using Roachs tactics) that Fury would have Ko'd Wilder.
Basically went on to say that he was naive and inexperienced and that it should be he himself taking control in the next fight.
For me Roach is looking for a payday and Ben did the job just right.

[jamamb]

we went through that topic before on its own thread , and his words got totally blown out of proportion and context

bizarre to me why some ppl got so huffy and derogatory at roach, he makes legitimate points that are fair to consider even if u dont agree with everything, but of course it always has to be some absolute sh!thole greedy motive right , and we all should get on our knees in love for benny

[lillywhite14]

Even ignoring Marcellos' recent loss...
He doesn't seem like a fighting man to me. More like a Wilder groupy who has been given the blessing to go and make some money from his surname.

He might be bigger, heavier, stronger, older but....

Tommy Fury has been moving and jabbing since he was old enough to walk.
I think the first time he was revealed to the public he was ~14 years old, loved body building/staying in shape & tagging along on Peter Fury training camps? The difference in pedigree would be huge.

If they can sell this fight good for them i guess. But for me it would be binman vs prospect...

Let’s not pretend here. Both are cashing in on the family name. If it’s Marcellus Smith vs Tommy Brown, nobody bats an eyelid. I suspect neither would be professional boxers either.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I looked again at his debut fight on YouTube, and next to it was a Freddie Roach interview on the Fury v Wilder fight. He was very critical of Ben Davison and his tactics, saying if Tyson was more aggressive(using Roachs tactics) that Fury would have Ko'd Wilder.
Basically went on to say that he was naive and inexperienced and that it should be he himself taking control in the next fight.
For me Roach is looking for a payday and Ben did the job just right.

I actually agree, Tyson needs to throw more shots than he does. He landed some solid shots on Wilder, but then didn't follow up.

[Coco]

I think making Tyson more aggressive would ultimately be damaging to him, he needs to stick to what he is good at, as being more aggressive would take away from his defensive prowess.
The example which sticks out for me is the Cunningham fight. In the corner Peter Fury was always a calming influence and he couldn't get a visa for that fight leading him to fight in a more kamikaze fashion.
Davison too is a relaxed guy who gives calm instructions, this is what Tyson needs. Some fighters need to be pumped up, others need to think more clearly.

[dookus]

I think making Tyson more aggressive would ultimately be damaging to him, he needs to stick to what he is good at, as being more aggressive would take away from his defensive prowess.
The example which sticks out for me is the Cunningham fight. In the corner Peter Fury was always a calming influence and he couldn't get a visa for that fight leading him to fight in a more kamikaze fashion.
Davison too is a relaxed guy who gives calm instructions, this is what Tyson needs. Some fighters need to be pumped up, others need to think more clearly.

I agree that a large part of Tyson's defensive prowess is due to his conservative offense, i.e. he doesn't fully commit to most punches and doesn't throw in extended combinations to avoid leaving openings. That said, a reduced punch output does leave him vulnerable to getting jobbed on the cards, especially against busier fighters.

[jamamb]

looks like some of you are just after the money and want the lead trainer gig for yourself

[gilgamesh]

Wouldn't be bad as a novelty fight I guess. I mean they did Roman Alvarez vs Omar Chavez so why not.

[Coco]

I think making Tyson more aggressive would ultimately be damaging to him, he needs to stick to what he is good at, as being more aggressive would take away from his defensive prowess.
The example which sticks out for me is the Cunningham fight. In the corner Peter Fury was always a calming influence and he couldn't get a visa for that fight leading him to fight in a more kamikaze fashion.
Davison too is a relaxed guy who gives calm instructions, this is what Tyson needs. Some fighters need to be pumped up, others need to think more clearly.

I agree that a large part of Tyson's defensive prowess is due to his conservative offense, i.e. he doesn't fully commit to most punches and doesn't throw in extended combinations to avoid leaving openings. That said, a reduced punch output does leave him vulnerable to getting jobbed on the cards, especially against busier fighters.

I don't think that his low punch output leaves him vulnerable against busy fighters because he is always moving his feet. Fighters can't be busy against him because he is never in range. He doesn't let fighters sit on his chest allowing them to punch away.

[oogiebe]

Can mods disable this posters ability to make threads

Im guessing you have no faith in this post.

Well the post certainly became a thread! LMAO!

[Datsue]

looks like some of you are just after the money and want the lead trainer gig for yourself

Under-rated comment.