Whyte's alternative opponents

verlichte
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Re: Whyte's alternative opponents

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tiny_acres wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 13:48
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 11:01 Here are some of my predictions and I expect few of them to be wrong, but who knows?

Whyte-Breazeale – with the victor in line to face the winner of the rematch between Wilder-Fury
Chisora-Parker – with the victor facing the winner of Usyk-Povetkin
Pulev-Helenius – with Pulev engaging in another stay busy bout prior to facing AJ
Joshua-Miller – with AJ facing Whyte, Pulev or the winner of the Wilder-Fury rematch before the end of the year
Allen-Browne – with the victor facing David Price next. The winner of this three-man round-robin tournament will then be in line to face the likes of Chisora, Miller, Allen or Povetkin (when these four men lose their next bouts, as per the above bullet points)

The ideal scenario for Eddie Hearn is for Whyte to force his way to becoming the mandatory challenger for the WBC title, whilst Joshua continues performing mandatory defences of his titles. Matchroom will then be able to coerce the winner of the Wilder-Fury rematch to either agree to facing AJ next or perform a mandatory defence against Dillian.

Usyk needs a couple of bouts at heavyweight prior to exploiting his WBO mandatory challenger status, with victories over the likes of Povetkin, Parker or Miller being considered as an ideal route to take in order to become accustomed to his new heavyweight habitat.

Luis Ortiz keeps getting mentioned by the various boxing media sources, but he’s an Al Haymon/PBC fighter, he's not a mandatory challenger, he's a southpaw, brings very little money to the table and he’s also not affiliated with Matchroom, which means he won’t be considered to face any of the above aforementioned names (unless Wilder defeats Fury and the WBC continues to ignore Dillian Whyte).

So, before the end of the year and going into 2020:
• Dillian Whyte could in in line to face AJ or Tyson Fury during late 2019 or early 2020
• Oleksandr Usyk to earn victories over the likes of Alexander Povetkin and Joseph Parker during 2019. The Ukraine will then be able to exploit his WBO mandatory title challenger status during 2020
• Lucas Browne to defeat Dave Allen and David Price during 2019
• Dereck Chisora, Jarrell Miller, Alexander Povetkin, Dave Allen and David Price to all lose bouts during 2019
• Dereck Chisora, David Price, Alexander Povetkin to all retire during the current calendar year, with Kubrat Pulev also retiring during 2020
• Dave Allen to remain being a domestic level journeyman
• Jarrell Miller to rebuild his career from late 2019 onwards
• Oleksandr Usyk may be forced to engage in stay busy bouts during 2020 against the likes of Jarrell Miller or Lucas Browne prior to gaining his shot at AJ later on in the same year
If 10% of those matches actually happen I'd be impressed
At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
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Re: Whyte's alternative opponents

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verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52
tiny_acres wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 13:48
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 11:01 Here are some of my predictions and I expect few of them to be wrong, but who knows?

Whyte-Breazeale – with the victor in line to face the winner of the rematch between Wilder-Fury
Chisora-Parker – with the victor facing the winner of Usyk-Povetkin
Pulev-Helenius – with Pulev engaging in another stay busy bout prior to facing AJ
Joshua-Miller – with AJ facing Whyte, Pulev or the winner of the Wilder-Fury rematch before the end of the year
Allen-Browne – with the victor facing David Price next. The winner of this three-man round-robin tournament will then be in line to face the likes of Chisora, Miller, Allen or Povetkin (when these four men lose their next bouts, as per the above bullet points)

The ideal scenario for Eddie Hearn is for Whyte to force his way to becoming the mandatory challenger for the WBC title, whilst Joshua continues performing mandatory defences of his titles. Matchroom will then be able to coerce the winner of the Wilder-Fury rematch to either agree to facing AJ next or perform a mandatory defence against Dillian.

Usyk needs a couple of bouts at heavyweight prior to exploiting his WBO mandatory challenger status, with victories over the likes of Povetkin, Parker or Miller being considered as an ideal route to take in order to become accustomed to his new heavyweight habitat.

Luis Ortiz keeps getting mentioned by the various boxing media sources, but he’s an Al Haymon/PBC fighter, he's not a mandatory challenger, he's a southpaw, brings very little money to the table and he’s also not affiliated with Matchroom, which means he won’t be considered to face any of the above aforementioned names (unless Wilder defeats Fury and the WBC continues to ignore Dillian Whyte).

So, before the end of the year and going into 2020:
• Dillian Whyte could in in line to face AJ or Tyson Fury during late 2019 or early 2020
• Oleksandr Usyk to earn victories over the likes of Alexander Povetkin and Joseph Parker during 2019. The Ukraine will then be able to exploit his WBO mandatory title challenger status during 2020
• Lucas Browne to defeat Dave Allen and David Price during 2019
• Dereck Chisora, Jarrell Miller, Alexander Povetkin, Dave Allen and David Price to all lose bouts during 2019
• Dereck Chisora, David Price, Alexander Povetkin to all retire during the current calendar year, with Kubrat Pulev also retiring during 2020
• Dave Allen to remain being a domestic level journeyman
• Jarrell Miller to rebuild his career from late 2019 onwards
• Oleksandr Usyk may be forced to engage in stay busy bouts during 2020 against the likes of Jarrell Miller or Lucas Browne prior to gaining his shot at AJ later on in the same year
If 10% of those matches actually happen I'd be impressed
At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
I've been watching this sport for over 50 years.
Until the fighters step in the ring I don't believe a damn thing
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Re: Whyte's alternative opponents

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tiny_acres wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 20:15
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52
tiny_acres wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 13:48
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 11:01 Here are some of my predictions and I expect few of them to be wrong, but who knows?

Whyte-Breazeale – with the victor in line to face the winner of the rematch between Wilder-Fury
Chisora-Parker – with the victor facing the winner of Usyk-Povetkin
Pulev-Helenius – with Pulev engaging in another stay busy bout prior to facing AJ
Joshua-Miller – with AJ facing Whyte, Pulev or the winner of the Wilder-Fury rematch before the end of the year
Allen-Browne – with the victor facing David Price next. The winner of this three-man round-robin tournament will then be in line to face the likes of Chisora, Miller, Allen or Povetkin (when these four men lose their next bouts, as per the above bullet points)

The ideal scenario for Eddie Hearn is for Whyte to force his way to becoming the mandatory challenger for the WBC title, whilst Joshua continues performing mandatory defences of his titles. Matchroom will then be able to coerce the winner of the Wilder-Fury rematch to either agree to facing AJ next or perform a mandatory defence against Dillian.

Usyk needs a couple of bouts at heavyweight prior to exploiting his WBO mandatory challenger status, with victories over the likes of Povetkin, Parker or Miller being considered as an ideal route to take in order to become accustomed to his new heavyweight habitat.

Luis Ortiz keeps getting mentioned by the various boxing media sources, but he’s an Al Haymon/PBC fighter, he's not a mandatory challenger, he's a southpaw, brings very little money to the table and he’s also not affiliated with Matchroom, which means he won’t be considered to face any of the above aforementioned names (unless Wilder defeats Fury and the WBC continues to ignore Dillian Whyte).

So, before the end of the year and going into 2020:
• Dillian Whyte could in in line to face AJ or Tyson Fury during late 2019 or early 2020
• Oleksandr Usyk to earn victories over the likes of Alexander Povetkin and Joseph Parker during 2019. The Ukraine will then be able to exploit his WBO mandatory title challenger status during 2020
• Lucas Browne to defeat Dave Allen and David Price during 2019
• Dereck Chisora, Jarrell Miller, Alexander Povetkin, Dave Allen and David Price to all lose bouts during 2019
• Dereck Chisora, David Price, Alexander Povetkin to all retire during the current calendar year, with Kubrat Pulev also retiring during 2020
• Dave Allen to remain being a domestic level journeyman
• Jarrell Miller to rebuild his career from late 2019 onwards
• Oleksandr Usyk may be forced to engage in stay busy bouts during 2020 against the likes of Jarrell Miller or Lucas Browne prior to gaining his shot at AJ later on in the same year
If 10% of those matches actually happen I'd be impressed
At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
I've been watching this sport for over 50 years.
Until the fighters step in the ring I don't believe a damn thing
x2 :TU:
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verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52 At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
Which 6 fights are you referring to?
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Rob3_142 wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 04:40
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52 At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
Which 6 fights are you referring to?
Joshua-Miller
Wilder-Fury II
Allen-Browne
Pulev-Helenius
Whyte-Breazeale
Chisora-Parker

Also, three days ago, Usyk’s promoter mentioned Povetkin as being Oleksandr’s potential debut opponent at heavyweight.
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verlichte wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 15:17
Rob3_142 wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 04:40
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52 At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
Which 6 fights are you referring to?
Joshua-Miller - Yes
Wilder-Fury II - Yes
Allen-Browne - Yes
Pulev-Helenius - Yes
Whyte-Breazeale - 50/50
Chisora-Parker - first I've heard of it.

Also, three days ago, Usyk’s promoter mentioned Povetkin as being Oleksandr’s potential debut opponent at heavyweight.
By the way, they don't count as predicitons when most of them have been made for some time.

And I think Usyk taking on Povetkin for his debut is suicide.
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Rob3_142 wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 17:03
verlichte wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 15:17
Rob3_142 wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 04:40
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52 At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
Which 6 fights are you referring to?
Joshua-Miller - Yes
Wilder-Fury II - Yes
Allen-Browne - Yes
Pulev-Helenius - Yes
Whyte-Breazeale - 50/50
Chisora-Parker - first I've heard of it.

Also, three days ago, Usyk’s promoter mentioned Povetkin as being Oleksandr’s potential debut opponent at heavyweight.
By the way, they don't count as predicitons when most of them have been made for some time.

And I think Usyk taking on Povetkin for his debut is suicide.
They don't!? :o
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Rob3_142 wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 17:03
verlichte wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 15:17
Rob3_142 wrote: 05 Feb 2019, 04:40
verlichte wrote: 04 Feb 2019, 19:52 At least six of the fights I’ve mentioned have either already been agreed or are very close to being made.

One or two of them were announced after I initially submitted the above post.

So I’m guessing you’re already deeply impressed. :TU:
Which 6 fights are you referring to?
Joshua-Miller - Yes
Wilder-Fury II - Yes
Allen-Browne - Yes
Pulev-Helenius - Yes
Whyte-Breazeale - 50/50
Chisora-Parker - first I've heard of it.

Also, three days ago, Usyk’s promoter mentioned Povetkin as being Oleksandr’s potential debut opponent at heavyweight.
By the way, they don't count as predicitons when most of them have been made for some time.

And I think Usyk taking on Povetkin for his debut is suicide.
Only Pulev-Helenius was definitely made, when I submitted that post. I also openly admit to researching the situation prior to predicting the Matchroom heavyweight landscape for 2019/20.

So I can’t boast about having psychic powers. I just consider myself educated about the situation, based on easily accessible information.

"Eddie Hearn planning ‘heavyweight night’ in April featuring Dereck Chisora vs Joseph Parker on Dillian Whyte undercard"

It has been confirmed that Dillian Whyte will next fight on April 20 at the O2 Arena in London.

“Dave Allen against Lucas Browne obviously is a fight for that card,” promoter Eddie Hearn told Boxing Social, as he began to detail his vision for a heavyweight blockbuster.

“A few other big things in the pipeline, I’d quite like to make [Dereck] Chisora against Joseph Parker for that card as well.

“Kind of like a heavyweight night. We’ll see where that goes over the next few days.”


Out of curiosity, why did you even bother to ask about the six fights I mentioned if you already knew about them?

I’m not saying you necessarily didn’t, it just seems like an odd question to ask.
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I was wondering what the hell was going on there! I was responding to your message, and a large proportion of the message changed!

I WAS going to say, I thought you were referring to fights that we didn't already know about.
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Re: Whyte's alternative opponents

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Rob3_142 wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 10:56 I was wondering what the hell was going on there! I was responding to your message, and a large proportion of the message changed!

I WAS going to say, I thought you were referring to fights that we didn't already know about.
Apologies for the confusion, I added some proof of three of the bouts I listed, since you mentioned that you’d not heard of one of them being considered.

You previously said that 80% of the bouts listed required a serious leap of faith, whilst others claimed that only 10% of them would happen.

However, six of the bouts I mentioned will happen… and you agreed with this, with a seventh fight already being heavily discussed (i.e. Usyk-Povetkin). At the time of my original post in this thread, only one of the fights I listed was confirmed.

Assuming he beats Helenius, which seems almost certain, Kubrat Pulev will definitely gain a title shot against AJ at some point in time – so this is an eighth potential bout that I listed that seems inevitable - don't you agree?

There were only three other bouts I speculated (i.e. Dillian Whyte versus the winner of Wilder-Fury II or versus the winner of Joshua-Miller; as well as David Price facing the winner of Allen-Browne). I feel that none of these are far-fetched to consider, since these have already been mentioned as possibilities by the media.

Basic maths suggests that far more than 60% of the fights I listed will definitely happen.
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