Canelo Allowed To Hold Both WBA Belts, Per New Order
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Canelo Allowed To Hold Both WBA Belts, Per New Order
The World Boxing Association (WBA) Championships Committee has issued a ruling that Saul “Canelo” Alvarez will be recognized as WBA champion at middleweight and super middleweight.
Canelo won the WBA and WBC middleweight titles in September 2018, when he defeated Gennady Golovkin by majority decision, and he will defend the titles on May 4th in a unification against Daniel Jacobs, the champion of the International Boxing Federation (IBF). The bout will take place at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.
Canelo then won the 168-pound WBA "regular" title in December, when he defeated Rocky Fielding Jr. by technical knockout in the third round. Callum Smith holds the WBA's "super" world title at 168-pounds, which he captured by knocking out George Groves, and is widely recognized as the true WBA beltholder of the weight class.
The WBA is basing their decision on the past treatment of Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Mayweather, for years, was allowed to hold the WBA world titles simultaneously at welterweight and junior middleweight. The scenario was identical with the WBC. Mayweather had captured the WBA strap by defeating Miguel Cotto in 2012 and then beat Canelo the following year for the WBC's version.
Both sanctioning bodies allowed Mayweather to hold their junior middleweight titles until his retirement in 2015 - despite Mayweather not fighting at junior middleweight for two years time.
Canelo won the WBA and WBC middleweight titles in September 2018, when he defeated Gennady Golovkin by majority decision, and he will defend the titles on May 4th in a unification against Daniel Jacobs, the champion of the International Boxing Federation (IBF). The bout will take place at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.
Canelo then won the 168-pound WBA "regular" title in December, when he defeated Rocky Fielding Jr. by technical knockout in the third round. Callum Smith holds the WBA's "super" world title at 168-pounds, which he captured by knocking out George Groves, and is widely recognized as the true WBA beltholder of the weight class.
The WBA is basing their decision on the past treatment of Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Mayweather, for years, was allowed to hold the WBA world titles simultaneously at welterweight and junior middleweight. The scenario was identical with the WBC. Mayweather had captured the WBA strap by defeating Miguel Cotto in 2012 and then beat Canelo the following year for the WBC's version.
Both sanctioning bodies allowed Mayweather to hold their junior middleweight titles until his retirement in 2015 - despite Mayweather not fighting at junior middleweight for two years time.
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Re: Canelo Allowed To Hold Both WBA Belts, Per New Order
Some saying good on WBA so he could unify against the bigger names at 168 as well, but TBH, he can have big fights without a belt.
This is just WBA trying to maximise the sanctioning fees.
This is just WBA trying to maximise the sanctioning fees.
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This seems strange! I read an article yesterday claiming that Canelo had only just vacated his WBA 168lbs “trinket” title.
Anyway, this supposedly “new” rule isn't new.
Anyway, this supposedly “new” rule isn't new.
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I saw that article on this 'ruling.' I think the special treatment of Canelo has gotten so obvious that the sanctioning bodies must think that we fans are complete imbeciles.
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It’s just another plain example and proof that the same Vegas thieves that protected Floyd all of those years are doing the exact same for Canelo now. Not that we needed further proof but just pointing out the obvious.
What’s the point of even having rules? Honestly. It’s all written in pencil.
It must be nice to know that you just have to finish a fight on your feet and you win. It’s a VERY different sport for Canelo and Floyd than the rest of these others boxers are playing.
What’s the point of even having rules? Honestly. It’s all written in pencil.
It must be nice to know that you just have to finish a fight on your feet and you win. It’s a VERY different sport for Canelo and Floyd than the rest of these others boxers are playing.
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Are you suggesting that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win?
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I realised that, but to be fair, apart from the first José Luis Castillo bout, I don’t believe Floyd Mayweather Jr. ever legitimately came close to defeat.
If anything, the judges wrongly scored against him occassionally (i.e. Tom Kaczmarek’s scorecard for the De La Hoya bout; C.J. Ross’ scorecard for the Canelo bout; and Michael Pernick’s scoring for the first Maidana fight).
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A draw wasn't out of line for the first Maidana fight.
Anyway I think the contention about Mayweather here is more that should he ever have needed it, scorecard favoritism would have been there for him, like it was against Castillo.
Anyway I think the contention about Mayweather here is more that should he ever have needed it, scorecard favoritism would have been there for him, like it was against Castillo.
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Re: Canelo Allowed To Hold Both WBA Belts, Per New Order
They used to say the same about De La Hoya. He can't lose a decision, particularly in Las Vegas.caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 10:55 It’s just another plain example and proof that the same Vegas thieves that protected Floyd all of those years are doing the exact same for Canelo now. Not that we needed further proof but just pointing out the obvious.
What’s the point of even having rules? Honestly. It’s all written in pencil.
It must be nice to know that you just have to finish a fight on your feet and you win. It’s a VERY different sport for Canelo and Floyd than the rest of these others boxers are playing.
Then in less than a year's time he lost that dubious decision to Trinidad and then a close one to Mosley.
Those conspiracy theories went out the window.
Pacquiao was also another guy who wasn't supposed to lose as he was boxing's reigning cash cow. Arum would see to that.
Then Pac loses a head scratching decision to Bradley. The conspiracy theorists explained it away as Arum trying to set up a lucrative rematch.
There was a rematch. But not until years later when it had lost its luster, relevance and wasn't particularly lucrative.
When it's your time to lose, it'll happen. Whether you stay on your feet or not.
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I understand the point being made. However, it’s not only contradicted by several real-world events (as per the judges' scoring detailed in my previous post), but this allegation is based purely on faith alone.
I could also wrongly claim that for Vasyl Lomachenko’s most recent ten bouts, he would have almost certainly received favouritism from the judges’ should he have ever needed it. I could make similar assertions about Terence Crawford and Oleksandr Usyk also.
Yet these claims would deservedly be considered as being absolutely bizarre statements to make and would be aggressively ridiculed by everyone from this forum.
It’s just a really silly type of accusation to make. There’s no validity in alleging such things.
It’s like saying Tenshin Nasukawa would have KO'd Floyd Mayweather Jr. had he wore orange shorts!
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If it means less champions, and Canelo has to defend the SMW belt, I think I'm on board.
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I’ve heard this argument before but it’s not the same thing. PAC and Oscar never came close to bringing in the money to Vegas that Floyd and Canelo now does. It’s not even close. Do you want to bet that Canelo will never fight a Floyd managed fighter? Don’t you think that it’s curious that Floyd doesn’t have any talent in or around Canelo’s weight class? It’s because it’s a waste of money and focus. He knows Canelo has that cinched up and any prospect invested in would be for not.SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:36They used to say the same about De La Hoya. He can't lose a decision, particularly in Las Vegas.caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 10:55 It’s just another plain example and proof that the same Vegas thieves that protected Floyd all of those years are doing the exact same for Canelo now. Not that we needed further proof but just pointing out the obvious.
What’s the point of even having rules? Honestly. It’s all written in pencil.
It must be nice to know that you just have to finish a fight on your feet and you win. It’s a VERY different sport for Canelo and Floyd than the rest of these others boxers are playing.
Then in less than a year's time he lost that dubious decision to Trinidad and then a close one to Mosley.
Those conspiracy theories went out the window.
Pacquiao was also another guy who wasn't supposed to lose as he was boxing's reigning cash cow. Arum would see to that.
Then Pac loses a head scratching decision to Bradley. The conspiracy theorists explained it away as Arum trying to set up a lucrative rematch.
There was a rematch. But not until years later when it had lost its luster, relevance and wasn't particularly lucrative.
When it's your time to lose, it'll happen. Whether you stay on your feet or not.
I can’t even believe people debate this. It’s too obvious.
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Nah...there's ample events to suggest favoritism to FMJ and CA. To deny it is what's silly.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:41I understand the point being made. However, it’s not only contradicted by several real-world events (as per the judges' scoring detailed in my previous post), but this allegation is based purely on faith alone.
I could also wrongly claim that for Vasyl Lomachenko’s most recent ten bouts, he would have almost certainly received favouritism from the judges’ should he have ever needed it. I could make similar assertions about Terence Crawford and Oleksandr Usyk also.
Yet these claims would deservedly be considered as being absolutely bizarre statements to make and would be aggressively ridiculed by everyone from this forum.
It’s just a really silly type of accusation to make. There’s no validity in alleging such things.
It’s like saying Tenshin Nasukawa would have KO'd Floyd Mayweather Jr. had he wore orange shorts!![]()
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Not accounting for inflation, here are the total gross sales for the events staged in Nevada for Canelo, De La Hoya and Pacquiao:
• De La Hoya = $84,878,950
• Pacquiao = $141,618,480
• Canelo = $94,638,550
Do you need a breakdown of each fight and their respective gate receipts to justify these figures?
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Number of fights would help make the comp fair.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:55Not accounting for inflation, here are the total gross sales for the events staged in Nevada for Canelo, De La Hoya and Pacquiao:
• De La Hoya = $84,878,950
• Pacquiao = $141,618,480
• Canelo = $43,105,200
Do you need a breakdown of each fight and their respective gate receipts to justify these figures?
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You're right I'll represent a detailed breakdown that supplies and average.oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:57Number of fights would help make the comp fair.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:55Not accounting for inflation, here are the total gross sales for the events staged in Nevada for Canelo, De La Hoya and Pacquiao:
• De La Hoya = $84,878,950
• Pacquiao = $141,618,480
• Canelo = $94,638,550
Do you need a breakdown of each fight and their respective gate receipts to justify these figures?
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You’re just talking boxing’s gate alone? The economic impact of a Floyd fight in Vegas meant over $100m each fight. (Measured from Maidana 1)Over $11m local non gaming impact (measured from Floyd/Guerrero). For the larger fights, those figures are a lot higher. Vegas now placed Canelo in that spot and he’s gradually bringing the same kind of money into town again. It’s more than the Boxing numbers.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:55Not accounting for inflation, here are the total gross sales for the events staged in Nevada for Canelo, De La Hoya and Pacquiao:
• De La Hoya = $84,878,950
• Pacquiao = $141,618,480
• Canelo = $43,105,200
Do you need a breakdown of each fight and their respective gate receipts to justify these figures?
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You're arguing over a theory that you cannot justify, since you don’t possess any of the economic numbers. So you’ve basically guessed, since you are unable to prove anything.caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 12:04You’re just talking boxing’s gate alone? The economic impact of a Floyd fight in Vegas meant over $100m each fight. (Measured from Maidana 1)Over $11m local non gaming impact (measured from Floyd/Guerrero). For the larger fights, those figures are a lot higher. Vegas now placed Canelo in that spot and he’s gradually bringing the same kind of money into town again. It’s more than the Boxing numbers.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:55Not accounting for inflation, here are the total gross sales for the events staged in Nevada for Canelo, De La Hoya and Pacquiao:
• De La Hoya = $84,878,950
• Pacquiao = $141,618,480
• Canelo = $94,638,550
Do you need a breakdown of each fight and their respective gate receipts to justify these figures?
It’s abundantly clear that (when adjusting the figures to account for inflation) Manny Pacquiao and Oscar De la Hoya have both generated far more gate receipt revenue in Nevada than Canelo has managed to achieve so far.
There aren’t any other economic barometers available to perform any other sort of comparison, unless you can kindly supply some?
Here are the actual Nevada state gate revenue receipt figures (quoted shortly after each bout took place – based on the currency value at the time of each fight):
Canelo:
• Gennady Golovkin = $27,059,850
• Gennady Golovkin = $24,473,500
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. = $20,003,150
• Miguel Cotto = $12,470,200
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. = $10,631,850
• Total = $94,638,550
• Average = $18,927,710
Oscar De La Hoya:
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. = $18,419,200
• Manny Pacquiao = $14,380,300
• Felix Trinidad = $12,949,500
• Bernard Hopkins = $12,782,650
• Shane Mosley = $9,840,000
• Fernando Vargas = $8,871,300
• Ricardo Mayorga = $7,636,000
• Total = $84,878,950
• Average = $12,125,564.29
Manny Pacquiao:
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. = $72,198,500
• Oscar De La Hoya = $14,380,300
• Juan Manuel Marquez Iii = $11,648,300
• Timothy Bradley = $8,963,180
• Shane Mosley = $8,882,600
• Miguel Angel Cotto = $8,847,550
• Richard Hatton = $8,832,950
• Timothy Bradley = $7,865,100
• Total = $141,618,480
• Average = $17,702,310
Here's a hyperlink to the source of this information: "Nevada Department of Business and Industry - Nevada State Athletic Commission"
If the figures above were adjusted for inflation, then it would become crystal clear to appreciate the fact that Pacquiao and De La Hoya have generated far more gate receipt revenue in Nevada than Canelo has managed to achieve.
Off-topic, but interesting nonetheless… the biggest gate receipts revenue that have ever realised in Nevada for the UFC and boxing sports:
• 6th October, 2018 - Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Conor McGregor = $17,188,894
• 2nd May, 2015 - Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Manny Pacquiao = $72,198,500
• Difference = $55,009,606
Re: Canelo Allowed To Hold Both WBA Belts, Per New Order
verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 12:28You're arguing over a theory that you cannot justify, since you don’t possess any of the economic numbers. So you’ve basically guessed, since you are unable to prove anything.caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 12:04You’re just talking boxing’s gate alone? The economic impact of a Floyd fight in Vegas meant over $100m each fight. (Measured from Maidana 1)Over $11m local non gaming impact (measured from Floyd/Guerrero). For the larger fights, those figures are a lot higher. Vegas now placed Canelo in that spot and he’s gradually bringing the same kind of money into town again. It’s more than the Boxing numbers.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 11:55Not accounting for inflation, here are the total gross sales for the events staged in Nevada for Canelo, De La Hoya and Pacquiao:
• De La Hoya = $84,878,950
• Pacquiao = $141,618,480
• Canelo = $94,638,550
Do you need a breakdown of each fight and their respective gate receipts to justify these figures?
It’s abundantly clear that (when adjusting the figures to account for inflation) Manny Pacquiao and Oscar De la Hoya have both generated far more gate receipt revenue in Nevada than Canelo has managed to achieve so far.
There aren’t any other economic barometers available to perform any other sort of comparison, unless you can kindly supply some?![]()
Here are the actual Nevada state gate revenue receipt figures (quoted shortly after each bout took place – based on the currency value at the time of each fight):
Canelo:
• Gennady Golovkin = $27,059,850
• Gennady Golovkin = $24,473,500
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. = $20,003,150
• Miguel Cotto = $12,470,200
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. = $10,631,850
• Total = $94,638,550
• Average = $18,927,710
Oscar De La Hoya:
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. = $18,419,200
• Manny Pacquiao = $14,380,300
• Felix Trinidad = $12,949,500
• Bernard Hopkins = $12,782,650
• Shane Mosley = $9,840,000
• Fernando Vargas = $8,871,300
• Ricardo Mayorga = $7,636,000
• Total = $84,878,950
• Average = $12,125,564.29
Manny Pacquiao:
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. = $72,198,500
• Oscar De La Hoya = $14,380,300
• Juan Manuel Marquez Iii = $11,648,300
• Timothy Bradley = $8,963,180
• Shane Mosley = $8,882,600
• Miguel Angel Cotto = $8,847,550
• Richard Hatton = $8,832,950
• Timothy Bradley = $7,865,100
• Total = $141,618,480
• Average = $17,702,310
Here's a hyperlink to the source of this information: "Nevada Department of Business and Industry - Nevada State Athletic Commission"
If the figures above were adjusted for inflation, then it would become crystal clear to appreciate the fact that Pacquiao and De La Hoya have generated far more gate receipt revenue in Nevada than Canelo has managed to achieve.
You aren’t getting the point and the figures that I gave were quantitated for the fights that I referenced and those figures came from Forbes.
The point is that Vegas doesn’t shadily partner with everyone that brings money in. I do think that Oscar was the start of it all and probably why his cash cow can’t lose in Vegas now because he had those relations prior. My point is that I believe that Vegas has controlled THE biggest boxing star for the last few decades. When you control a Boxer, yearly proceeds become fixed revenue and not adjustable. There’s less risk for Vegas across the board when they can depend upon certain revenues and protecting this asset is the priority.
I believe that Floyd laid that path like no one before him and Vegas now has the prototype that they will continue to use going forward. Do you know when I’ll be proved wrong of this theory? When Canelo fights an elite boxer anywhere but Vegas and without Moretti scoring ringside. If Oscar chances that with Canelo then I’ll admit my theory was bullshit. But until then, the proof is in the pudding. There’s no other explanation for the scores we continually see with Canelo.
Do you know what happens when you have 2 guys that Vegas is protecting? We have that draw scorecard in the Floyd/Canelo fight. Floyd just had the most Juice by one judge. You explain those scorecards otherwise for us? Hmm? You can’t.
To be honest, I put two seconds of research in to find my numbers because I thought that it was common sense that Floyd was so by far the most profitable boxer to and for Vegas that it wasn’t even worth putting in the research. I still feel this way and won’t get you any numbers because if we can’t agree that Floyd meant more to Vegas in every single way imaginable finanancially then you are pretty clueless.
So you are trying to say that Manny and Oscar meant just as much to Vegas as Floyd did in his career? Is that what this was all about? Granted you may have a point vs Canelo compared to Oscar and Manny RIGHT NOW so if your comparing them then again you missed the point that I was attempting to make.
In short, Floyd was Vegas’s biggest fish and it was in their best interest to ensure that he won. Now Canelo is the guy. That’s my point in short so that we’re not confusing things.
You think otherwise then?
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The bottom line is this - you can’t supply any sort of information to support the following claim:
You haven't gathered the economic statistics for all the fights involving Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao and Canelo, which means you’ve drawn a conclusion based on guesswork.
Upsets sometimes happen in Nevada!
You also strongly insinuated that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights. Apart from the first José Luis Castillo bout, I don’t believe he ever legitimately came close to defeat.
If anything, the judges wrongly scored against him occasionally (i.e. Tom Kaczmarek’s scorecard for the De La Hoya bout; C.J. Ross’ scorecard for the Canelo bout; and Michael Pernick’s scoring for the first Maidana fight).
It's simply a meaningless guess. The limited aount of data that is available actually appears to debunk your assertion.
You’ve only mentioned ball-park figures for two bouts, involving Floyd Mayweather Jr. You didn’t supply anything related to Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao or Canelo.
You haven't gathered the economic statistics for all the fights involving Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao and Canelo, which means you’ve drawn a conclusion based on guesswork.
I understand the reason for this assumption, but as we’ve seen in multiple bouts involving Floyd Mayweather Jr., Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao, the judges’ occasionally score fights against the revenue-generating fighter.
Upsets sometimes happen in Nevada!
You also strongly insinuated that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights. Apart from the first José Luis Castillo bout, I don’t believe he ever legitimately came close to defeat.
If anything, the judges wrongly scored against him occasionally (i.e. Tom Kaczmarek’s scorecard for the De La Hoya bout; C.J. Ross’ scorecard for the Canelo bout; and Michael Pernick’s scoring for the first Maidana fight).
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To be honest, I put two seconds of research in to find my numbers because I thought that it was common sense that Floyd was so by far the most profitable boxer to and for Vegas that it wasn’t even worth putting in the research. I still feel this way and won’t get you any numbers because if we can’t agree that Floyd meant more to Vegas in every single way imaginable finanancially then you are pretty clueless.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 13:25 The bottom line is this - you can’t supply any sort of information to support the following claim:It's simply a meaningless guess. The limited aount of data that is available actually appears to debunk your assertion.
You’ve only mentioned ball-park figures for two bouts, involving Floyd Mayweather Jr. You didn’t supply anything related to Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao or Canelo.
You haven't gathered the economic statistics for all the fights involving Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao and Canelo, which means you’ve drawn a conclusion based on guesswork.I understand the reason for this assumption, but as we’ve seen in multiple bouts involving Floyd Mayweather Jr., Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao, the judges’ occasionally score fights against the revenue-generating fighter.
Upsets sometimes happen in Nevada!
You also strongly insinuated that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights. Apart from the first José Luis Castillo bout, I don’t believe he ever legitimately came close to defeat.
If anything, the judges wrongly scored against him occasionally (i.e. Tom Kaczmarek’s scorecard for the De La Hoya bout; C.J. Ross’ scorecard for the Canelo bout; and Michael Pernick’s scoring for the first Maidana fight).
So you are trying to say that Manny and Oscar meant just as much to Vegas as Floyd did in his career? Is that what this was all about? Granted you may have a point vs Canelo compared to Oscar and Manny RIGHT NOW so if your comparing them then again you missed the point that I was attempting to make.
In short, Floyd was Vegas’s biggest fish and it was in their best interest to ensure that he won. Now Canelo is the guy. That’s my point in short so that we’re not confusing things.
You think otherwise then?
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The following claim below is blatantly untrue and it seems you’ve finally conceded your error:
That being said, I have reminded you several times about one of your other inaccurate claims, which relates to your belief that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights.
This myth has already been successfully debunked, but you seemingly prefer to avoid defending this claim. Why is that?
Why do you need to move the goalposts?
I’m not going to debate Mayweather’s financial success in Nevada, so I won’t engage in your attempts to steer the conversation away from Canelo.
That being said, I have reminded you several times about one of your other inaccurate claims, which relates to your belief that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights.
This myth has already been successfully debunked, but you seemingly prefer to avoid defending this claim. Why is that?
Why do you need to move the goalposts?
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Re: Canelo Allowed To Hold Both WBA Belts, Per New Order
EO why did you change your name?verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 19:26 The following claim below is blatantly untrue and it seems you’ve finally conceded your error:I’m not going to debate Mayweather’s financial success in Nevada, so I won’t engage in your attempts to steer the conversation away from Canelo.
That being said, I have reminded you several times about one of your other inaccurate claims, which relates to your belief that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights.
This myth has already been successfully debunked, but you seemingly prefer to avoid defending this claim. Why is that?
Why do you need to move the goalposts?
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As you wiggle away from Floyd, the majority of my point and cling on to the weakest part of my claims to stay in the game.verlichte wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 19:26 The following claim below is blatantly untrue and it seems you’ve finally conceded your error:I’m not going to debate Mayweather’s financial success in Nevada, so I won’t engage in your attempts to steer the conversation away from Canelo.
That being said, I have reminded you several times about one of your other inaccurate claims, which relates to your belief that Floyd Mayweather Jr. simply needed to go the distance in order to win fights.
This myth has already been successfully debunked, but you seemingly prefer to avoid defending this claim. Why is that?
Why do you need to move the goalposts?
HOW IN THE WORLD DID YOU DEBUNK WHAT I SAID? Floyd is undefeated you dope and has had plenty of scorecards that has people scratching their heads. I gave you a clear example in Maidana 1 so what’s your point ? You have a little EO in you ya know? No matter how well I trounce your garbage, you just keep repeated the same dumb points.
I showed you an example of how Floyd just needed to finish to get the win in Maidana 1. Maidana outlanded him in 7-5 rounds. Maidana threw double the amount of punches Floyd did in the fight and had Floyd pinned against the ropes for most of it. For Moretti and Clements to have 116-112 and 117-111 is not only obscene, it’s impossible. To only award Maidana 3 and 4 winning rounds respectively in that fight? It should have lost both clowns judging licenses.
And I did point out that Floyd hasn’t needed this kind of help that Canelo needs because Floyd was just that good most nights. I’ve watched 3 fights that Canelo already lost and I had Trout scoring a draw in another. The greatest boxing minds on the earth agree GGG was clearly robbed in the first one and 85% of writers ringside for second also had GGG winning the second. 10% had draw. So what aren’t you getting here?
So don’t twist things and Be EO. There’s way more credible evidence supporting my points than anything you’ve said here. So let’s see if you actually read my reply this time before just spitting out same old crap.
Let me ask you this ok loudmouth know it-all good good for nothing jerk? Who is Boxing’s top dog and top money earner now and for years to come? Come on you can say it.