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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRe ... al_Ratings

All-time ratings now include 2018.
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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computerrank wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:22 http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRe ... al_Ratings

All-time ratings now include 2018.
Thank you :yay:
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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I have a question

How did this boxer end up the #64 All-time ranked Heavyweight?

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/40205

How?..... :verysad:
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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Manrae wrote: ↑07 Feb 2019, 22:04 I have a question

How did this boxer end up the #64 All-time ranked Heavyweight?

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/40205

How?..... :verysad:
Great name...? :maybe:
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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Manrae wrote: ↑07 Feb 2019, 22:04 I have a question

How did this boxer end up the #64 All-time ranked Heavyweight?

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/40205

How?..... :verysad:
Must've been that DQ win over Fulton... maybe DQs shouldn't be counted for all-time purposes if they have this level of influence..
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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JCS wrote: ↑07 Feb 2019, 22:49
Manrae wrote: ↑07 Feb 2019, 22:04 I have a question

How did this boxer end up the #64 All-time ranked Heavyweight?

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/40205

How?..... :verysad:
Must've been that DQ win over Fulton... maybe DQs shouldn't be counted for all-time purposes if they have this level of influence..
Yes, he defeated #1.
In other cases a DQ is as good as a KO or TKO. When an apparently helpless opponent fouls.
So, I more tend to look at the point, that Texas Tate had a lot of low losses and no other good wins.
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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I found a solution now.

Currently:
Best wins are devaluated by worst losses pairwise - and the best win left will be counted. Best wins and worst losses within the last year.

Improvement:
Best wins and worst losses pairwise - but, best wins within last year - and, worst losses are within last 2 years.

Texas Tate dropps from #64 to #805.

Heavyweight all-timers then look like this:

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   1 Heavyweight             180 Muhammad Ali                   US 1705.43 1468.63
   2 Heavyweight            9027 Joe Louis                      US 1365.95 1277.14
   3 Heavyweight             499 Evander Holyfield              US 1394.40 1234.94
   4 Heavyweight            9032 Rocky Marciano                 US 1050.35 1050.59
   5 Heavyweight            9046 Gene Tunney                    US 1011.11  947.03
   6 Heavyweight            7035 Wladimir Klitschko             UA  963.71  917.68
   7 Heavyweight             150 Larry Holmes                   US  949.39  916.46
   8 Heavyweight            1187 Jack Johnson                   US 1206.13  893.18
   9 Heavyweight            9012 Ezzard Charles                 US 1237.08  872.65
  10 Heavyweight            9038 Floyd Patterson                US 1174.12  865.94
  11 Heavyweight           11023 Sam Langford                   CA 1148.59  834.83
  12 Heavyweight            9041 Max Schmeling                  DE  909.84  833.40
  13 Heavyweight             147 Joe Frazier                    US  781.71  729.09
  14 Heavyweight            1853 Lennox Lewis                   UK  711.21  647.39
  15 Heavyweight           17615 Harry Wills                    US  933.47  631.71
  16 Heavyweight           12077 Max Baer                       US  804.51  616.48
  17 Heavyweight              90 George Foreman                 US  692.06  594.37
  18 Heavyweight             474 Mike Tyson                     US  592.68  567.28
  19 Heavyweight            9031 Sonny Liston                   US  549.44  544.42
  20 Heavyweight           11622 Sam McVea                      US  645.06  537.75
  21 Heavyweight             168 Ken Norton                     US  529.65  524.91
  22 Heavyweight          155774 David Haye                     UK  513.95  498.85
  23 Heavyweight           10616 Jack Sharkey                   US  772.99  484.11
  24 Heavyweight            9009 Jack Dempsey                   US  498.61  478.22
  25 Heavyweight           12711 Ingemar Johansson              SE  475.56  475.89
  26 Heavyweight            1640 Riddick Bowe                   US  449.36  449.31
  27 Heavyweight          659461 Anthony Joshua                 UK  444.40  444.40
  28 Heavyweight          479205 Tyson Fury                     UK  443.13  443.18
  29 Heavyweight            7033 Vitali Klitschko               UA  425.85  422.46
  30 Heavyweight           10744 Tommy Burns                    CA  622.35  412.22
  31 Heavyweight           11631 Joe Jeannette                  US  543.49  401.42
  32 Heavyweight           11627 Marvin Hart                    US  444.61  396.05
  33 Heavyweight           10526 Melio Bettina                  US  414.93  395.38
  34 Heavyweight           12072 Jim Braddock                   US  413.49  384.34
  35 Heavyweight            9974 Jimmy Bivins                   US  477.42  377.34
  36 Heavyweight             251 Michael Dokes                  US  340.57  340.66
  37 Heavyweight           12087 Walter Neusel                  DE  417.45  325.66
  38 Heavyweight             176 Gerrie Coetzee                 ZA  320.62  320.64
  39 Heavyweight             451 Oliver McCall                  US  304.83  303.34
  40 Heavyweight           11028 Jersey Joe Walcott             US  519.13  302.75
  41 Heavyweight           37004 Bruce Woodcock                 UK  284.04  282.48
  42 Heavyweight            9385 Jerry Quarry                   US  297.81  279.04
  43 Heavyweight            7532 Guillermo Jones                PA  322.65  269.63
  44 Heavyweight           16178 Jimmy Ellis                    US  262.23  262.49
  45 Heavyweight           11641 Fireman Jim Flynn              US  393.96  260.47
  46 Heavyweight             405 Mike Weaver                    US  346.18  260.23
  47 Heavyweight            4655 John Ruiz                      US  266.49  257.88
  48 Heavyweight          280342 Marco Huck                     DE  290.33  247.67
  49 Heavyweight           14883 Tomasz Adamek                  PL  263.57  246.13
  50 Heavyweight           10531 Lee Savold                     US  256.03  237.69
  51 Heavyweight             432 Tim Witherspoon                US  234.34  234.37
  52 Heavyweight           10881 Eddie Machen                   US  235.09  227.18
  53 Heavyweight            1642 Adolpho Washington             US  226.09  226.03
  54 Heavyweight           19904 Nikolay Valuev                 RU  225.00  225.00
  55 Heavyweight           24358 Ruslan Chagaev                 UZ  223.81  223.80
  56 Heavyweight           12138 Tami Mauriello                 US  250.90  221.51
  57 Heavyweight             505 Frank Bruno                    UK  227.28  219.35
  58 Heavyweight             276 Jimmy Young                    US  202.45  193.59
  59 Heavyweight           48737 Jean Kreitz                    DE  190.88  190.95
  60 Heavyweight            9022 James J. Jeffries              US  188.73  188.73
  61 Heavyweight           12052 Young Stribling                US  260.75  181.46
  62 Heavyweight           12086 Primo Carnera                  IT  355.49  181.02
  63 Heavyweight            9384 Zora Folley                    US  200.13  180.61
  64 Heavyweight          318081 Alexander Povetkin             RU  180.35  180.35
  65 Heavyweight           12132 Lou Nova                       US  191.39  178.17
  66 Heavyweight            9379 Henry Cooper                   UK  223.15  177.99
  67 Heavyweight             834 Tony Tubbs                     US  179.71  177.36
  68 Heavyweight           12475 Bob Baker                      US  192.10  177.30
  69 Heavyweight           13546 Charley Weinert                AT  219.17  171.75
  70 Heavyweight            6070 Hasim Rahman                   US  175.29  170.92
  71 Heavyweight            1728 Corrie Sanders                 ZA  169.36  169.37
  72 Heavyweight            9833 Al Kaufman                     US  166.86  164.24
  73 Heavyweight            4923 Chris Byrd                     US  184.17  162.99
  74 Heavyweight             880 Pinklon Thomas                 US  158.93  158.95
  75 Heavyweight             320 Earnie Shavers                 US  267.48  155.57
  76 Heavyweight            9378 Doug Jones                     US  173.58  155.26
  77 Heavyweight           10596 Fred Fulton                    US  158.08  147.99
  78 Heavyweight            9383 Ernie Terrell                  US  157.95  143.83
  79 Heavyweight           12096 Tommy Farr                     UK  144.70  138.98
  80 Heavyweight           10529 Bob Pastor                     US  170.11  136.98
  81 Heavyweight             110 Gregorio Peralta               AR  140.41  132.40
  82 Heavyweight             430 John Tate                      US  132.22  132.22
  83 Heavyweight            8943 Jameel McCline                 US  132.10  132.10
  84 Heavyweight             924 Joe Bugner                     UK  148.21  131.45
  85 Heavyweight           12118 Paulino Uzcudun                ES  276.28  130.55
  86 Heavyweight           12125 Tony Galento                   US  154.42  128.63
  87 Heavyweight           37521 Jack London                    UK  136.28  128.52
  88 Heavyweight          468841 Deontay Wilder                 US  127.58  127.58
  89 Heavyweight           10337 Elmer Ray                      US  143.56  126.68
  90 Heavyweight            9382 Cleveland Williams             US  135.45  125.74
  91 Heavyweight            6688 Oleg Maskaev                   RU  124.93  124.94
  92 Heavyweight            1620 Ray Mercer                     US  123.39  123.34
  93 Heavyweight            9821 Jeff Clark                     US  189.78  122.87
  94 Heavyweight            9386 Oscar Bonavena                 AR  157.76  122.65
  95 Heavyweight           17607 Phil Scott                     UK  136.82  122.26
  96 Heavyweight          541718 Jimmy Richie                   US  120.03  119.79
  97 Heavyweight           12459 Karel Sys                      BE  168.01  118.70
  98 Heavyweight             247 Trevor Berbick                 JM  180.72  116.90
  99 Heavyweight           10602 Jess Willard                   US  186.95  113.77
 100 Heavyweight             584 James Douglas                  US  146.25  112.99
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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computerrank wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 14:19 I found a solution now.

Currently:
Best wins are devaluated by worst losses pairwise - and the best win left will be counted. Best wins and worst losses within the last year.

Improvement:
Best wins and worst losses pairwise - but, best wins within last year - and, worst losses are within last 2 years.

Texas Tate dropps from #64 to #805.

Heavyweight all-timers then look like this:

Code: Select all

   1 Heavyweight             180 Muhammad Ali                   US 1705.43 1468.63
   2 Heavyweight            9027 Joe Louis                      US 1365.95 1277.14
   3 Heavyweight             499 Evander Holyfield              US 1394.40 1234.94
   4 Heavyweight            9032 Rocky Marciano                 US 1050.35 1050.59
   5 Heavyweight            9046 Gene Tunney                    US 1011.11  947.03
   6 Heavyweight            7035 Wladimir Klitschko             UA  963.71  917.68
   7 Heavyweight             150 Larry Holmes                   US  949.39  916.46
   8 Heavyweight            1187 Jack Johnson                   US 1206.13  893.18
   9 Heavyweight            9012 Ezzard Charles                 US 1237.08  872.65
  10 Heavyweight            9038 Floyd Patterson                US 1174.12  865.94
  11 Heavyweight           11023 Sam Langford                   CA 1148.59  834.83
  12 Heavyweight            9041 Max Schmeling                  DE  909.84  833.40
  13 Heavyweight             147 Joe Frazier                    US  781.71  729.09
  14 Heavyweight            1853 Lennox Lewis                   UK  711.21  647.39
  15 Heavyweight           17615 Harry Wills                    US  933.47  631.71
  16 Heavyweight           12077 Max Baer                       US  804.51  616.48
  17 Heavyweight              90 George Foreman                 US  692.06  594.37
  18 Heavyweight             474 Mike Tyson                     US  592.68  567.28
  19 Heavyweight            9031 Sonny Liston                   US  549.44  544.42
  20 Heavyweight           11622 Sam McVea                      US  645.06  537.75
  21 Heavyweight             168 Ken Norton                     US  529.65  524.91
  22 Heavyweight          155774 David Haye                     UK  513.95  498.85
  23 Heavyweight           10616 Jack Sharkey                   US  772.99  484.11
  24 Heavyweight            9009 Jack Dempsey                   US  498.61  478.22
  25 Heavyweight           12711 Ingemar Johansson              SE  475.56  475.89
  26 Heavyweight            1640 Riddick Bowe                   US  449.36  449.31
  27 Heavyweight          659461 Anthony Joshua                 UK  444.40  444.40
  28 Heavyweight          479205 Tyson Fury                     UK  443.13  443.18
  29 Heavyweight            7033 Vitali Klitschko               UA  425.85  422.46
  30 Heavyweight           10744 Tommy Burns                    CA  622.35  412.22
  31 Heavyweight           11631 Joe Jeannette                  US  543.49  401.42
  32 Heavyweight           11627 Marvin Hart                    US  444.61  396.05
  33 Heavyweight           10526 Melio Bettina                  US  414.93  395.38
  34 Heavyweight           12072 Jim Braddock                   US  413.49  384.34
  35 Heavyweight            9974 Jimmy Bivins                   US  477.42  377.34
  36 Heavyweight             251 Michael Dokes                  US  340.57  340.66
  37 Heavyweight           12087 Walter Neusel                  DE  417.45  325.66
  38 Heavyweight             176 Gerrie Coetzee                 ZA  320.62  320.64
  39 Heavyweight             451 Oliver McCall                  US  304.83  303.34
  40 Heavyweight           11028 Jersey Joe Walcott             US  519.13  302.75
  41 Heavyweight           37004 Bruce Woodcock                 UK  284.04  282.48
  42 Heavyweight            9385 Jerry Quarry                   US  297.81  279.04
  43 Heavyweight            7532 Guillermo Jones                PA  322.65  269.63
  44 Heavyweight           16178 Jimmy Ellis                    US  262.23  262.49
  45 Heavyweight           11641 Fireman Jim Flynn              US  393.96  260.47
  46 Heavyweight             405 Mike Weaver                    US  346.18  260.23
  47 Heavyweight            4655 John Ruiz                      US  266.49  257.88
  48 Heavyweight          280342 Marco Huck                     DE  290.33  247.67
  49 Heavyweight           14883 Tomasz Adamek                  PL  263.57  246.13
  50 Heavyweight           10531 Lee Savold                     US  256.03  237.69
  51 Heavyweight             432 Tim Witherspoon                US  234.34  234.37
  52 Heavyweight           10881 Eddie Machen                   US  235.09  227.18
  53 Heavyweight            1642 Adolpho Washington             US  226.09  226.03
  54 Heavyweight           19904 Nikolay Valuev                 RU  225.00  225.00
  55 Heavyweight           24358 Ruslan Chagaev                 UZ  223.81  223.80
  56 Heavyweight           12138 Tami Mauriello                 US  250.90  221.51
  57 Heavyweight             505 Frank Bruno                    UK  227.28  219.35
  58 Heavyweight             276 Jimmy Young                    US  202.45  193.59
  59 Heavyweight           48737 Jean Kreitz                    DE  190.88  190.95
  60 Heavyweight            9022 James J. Jeffries              US  188.73  188.73
  61 Heavyweight           12052 Young Stribling                US  260.75  181.46
  62 Heavyweight           12086 Primo Carnera                  IT  355.49  181.02
  63 Heavyweight            9384 Zora Folley                    US  200.13  180.61
  64 Heavyweight          318081 Alexander Povetkin             RU  180.35  180.35
  65 Heavyweight           12132 Lou Nova                       US  191.39  178.17
  66 Heavyweight            9379 Henry Cooper                   UK  223.15  177.99
  67 Heavyweight             834 Tony Tubbs                     US  179.71  177.36
  68 Heavyweight           12475 Bob Baker                      US  192.10  177.30
  69 Heavyweight           13546 Charley Weinert                AT  219.17  171.75
  70 Heavyweight            6070 Hasim Rahman                   US  175.29  170.92
  71 Heavyweight            1728 Corrie Sanders                 ZA  169.36  169.37
  72 Heavyweight            9833 Al Kaufman                     US  166.86  164.24
  73 Heavyweight            4923 Chris Byrd                     US  184.17  162.99
  74 Heavyweight             880 Pinklon Thomas                 US  158.93  158.95
  75 Heavyweight             320 Earnie Shavers                 US  267.48  155.57
  76 Heavyweight            9378 Doug Jones                     US  173.58  155.26
  77 Heavyweight           10596 Fred Fulton                    US  158.08  147.99
  78 Heavyweight            9383 Ernie Terrell                  US  157.95  143.83
  79 Heavyweight           12096 Tommy Farr                     UK  144.70  138.98
  80 Heavyweight           10529 Bob Pastor                     US  170.11  136.98
  81 Heavyweight             110 Gregorio Peralta               AR  140.41  132.40
  82 Heavyweight             430 John Tate                      US  132.22  132.22
  83 Heavyweight            8943 Jameel McCline                 US  132.10  132.10
  84 Heavyweight             924 Joe Bugner                     UK  148.21  131.45
  85 Heavyweight           12118 Paulino Uzcudun                ES  276.28  130.55
  86 Heavyweight           12125 Tony Galento                   US  154.42  128.63
  87 Heavyweight           37521 Jack London                    UK  136.28  128.52
  88 Heavyweight          468841 Deontay Wilder                 US  127.58  127.58
  89 Heavyweight           10337 Elmer Ray                      US  143.56  126.68
  90 Heavyweight            9382 Cleveland Williams             US  135.45  125.74
  91 Heavyweight            6688 Oleg Maskaev                   RU  124.93  124.94
  92 Heavyweight            1620 Ray Mercer                     US  123.39  123.34
  93 Heavyweight            9821 Jeff Clark                     US  189.78  122.87
  94 Heavyweight            9386 Oscar Bonavena                 AR  157.76  122.65
  95 Heavyweight           17607 Phil Scott                     UK  136.82  122.26
  96 Heavyweight          541718 Jimmy Richie                   US  120.03  119.79
  97 Heavyweight           12459 Karel Sys                      BE  168.01  118.70
  98 Heavyweight             247 Trevor Berbick                 JM  180.72  116.90
  99 Heavyweight           10602 Jess Willard                   US  186.95  113.77
 100 Heavyweight             584 James Douglas                  US  146.25  112.99
Awesome , I appreciate you looking into it and making changes . :clap:

When do you think this new system will be implemented on the main site ?
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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I find the new version more convincing too. Would be interesting to see more statements.
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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I have another question and this be may be a bit much but here it is

From my understanding the 77 rating is the bench mark for a five-star fighter.

77 is roughly the rating for the #100 ranked fighter.

What would be the rating of the #100 fighter in different decades?

To be precise, what was the rating of the #100 ranked fighter January 1st, 1910?

January 1st, 1920?
January 1st, 1930?

...

all the way to January 1st, 2010?
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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ratings r_37_d released - all-time ratings adapted

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The adapted release is active now.
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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computerrank wrote: ↑10 Feb 2019, 07:19

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1987  100   88
1988  100   85
1989  100   81
1990  100   79
1991  100   77
1992  100   81
1993  100   77
1994  100   78
1995  100   77
1996  100   79
1997  100   77
1998  100   74
1999  100   75
2000  100   73
2001  100   71
2002  100   74
2003  100   72
2004  100   74
2005  100   69
2006  100   71
2007  100   70
2008  100   74
2009  100   76
2010  100   76
2011  100   77
2012  100   75
2013  100   75
2014  100   75
2015  100   75
2016  100   73
2017  100   74
2018  100   75
2019  100   77
Thank you so much ! :bow:
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magicrp
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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HI, all time ratings were changed. I found that Chaozhong Xiong was 9th Minimumweight in January. Now he drops to 37th. And in China all time p4p, Shimin Zou was No.1 and Chaozhong Xiong was No.3. However Xiong is 100% greater than Zou. Could you analyze why Zou has 35 points and Xiong has 33 points? Thank you :salut:
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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magicrp wrote: ↑11 Feb 2019, 06:20 HI, all time ratings were changed. I found that Chaozhong Xiong was 9th Minimumweight in January. Now he drops to 37th. And in China all time p4p, Shimin Zou was No.1 and Chaozhong Xiong was No.3. However Xiong is 100% greater than Zou. Could you analyze why Zou has 35 points and Xiong has 33 points? Thank you :salut:
The difference is at Xiong's side.

- In the old version he got 133 points for his win against Denver Cuello in 2013.
- In the new version he only gets 12 points for this win, because now it is compensated with his low rated loss against Shin Ono in 2012.

Old version:
Best wins are devaluated by worst losses pairwise - and the best win left will be counted. Best wins and worst losses within the last year.

New versiont:
Best wins and worst losses pairwise - but, best wins within last year - and, worst losses are within last 2 years.
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pugilisticspecialist
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by pugilisticspecialist »

How many points will Anthony Joshua have if he stops Miller in June?
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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pugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 12:50 How many points will Anthony Joshua have if he stops Miller in June?
#Less than you might think - try - fill in both boxer IDs

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/calc.php
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Manrae
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by Manrae »

computerrank wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 15:27
pugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 12:50 How many points will Anthony Joshua have if he stops Miller in June?
#Less than you might think - try - fill in both boxer IDs

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/calc.php
Hey I input 2 legends and got some weird results. Do you mind explaining it to me?

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/inc/calc_ ... d_2=000269
008684 Middleweight #11 Marvin Hagler US
2019-02-20 rating 68.60

000269 Middleweight #1 Ray Leonard US
2019-02-20 rating 513.69

KO/TKO/RTD : 68.60 -> 315.41

UD 12 rounds max: 68.60 -> 315.41
MD 12 rounds max: 68.60 -> 303.28
SD 12 rounds max: 68.60 -> 299.15
D 12 rounds max: 68.60 -> 216.96

UD 10 rounds max: 68.60 -> 311.28
MD 10 rounds max: 68.60 -> 301.21
SD 10 rounds max: 68.60 -> 297.79
D 10 rounds max: 68.60 -> 191.74

UD 8 rounds max: 68.60 -> 307.40
MD 8 rounds max: 68.60 -> 299.27
SD 8 rounds max: 68.60 -> 296.51
D 8 rounds max: 68.60 -> 168.00

UD 6 rounds max: 68.60 -> 303.28
MD 6 rounds max: 68.60 -> 297.21
SD 6 rounds max: 68.60 -> 295.15
D 6 rounds max: 68.60 -> 142.78

UD 4 rounds max: 68.60 -> 299.15
MD 4 rounds max: 68.60 -> 295.15
SD 4 rounds max: 68.60 -> 293.79
D 4 rounds max: 68.60 -> 117.56
:box:
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by computerrank »

Manrae wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 02:08
computerrank wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 15:27
pugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 12:50 How many points will Anthony Joshua have if he stops Miller in June?
#Less than you might think - try - fill in both boxer IDs

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/calc.php
Hey I input 2 legends and got some weird results. Do you mind explaining it to me?

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/inc/calc_ ... d_2=000269
:box:
It only works with current ratings and bouts.
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Manrae
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by Manrae »

computerrank wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 03:52
Manrae wrote: ↑20 Feb 2019, 02:08
computerrank wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 15:27
pugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑18 Feb 2019, 12:50 How many points will Anthony Joshua have if he stops Miller in June?
#Less than you might think - try - fill in both boxer IDs

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/calc.php
Hey I input 2 legends and got some weird results. Do you mind explaining it to me?

http://151.boxrec.com/~martin/inc/calc_ ... d_2=000269
:box:
It only works with current ratings and bouts.
Ah, I see. Cool :salut:
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squiggy
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by squiggy »

Are people... mostly feeling able to accept the new historical rankings? The idea that Floyd and Manny are far and away the top 2 P4P fighters of all time, that Juan Manuel Marquez ranks above Rocky Marciano, Canelo ahead of Floyd Patterson, Oscar above Joe Louis, feels to me like the new adjustment just obviously skews against the past.
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Onetimeonly
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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I think Marquez over Marciano is fine. Canelo over Patterson isn't egregious. Oscar over Louis is outlandish.
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

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This is in the pipeline. Great wins better balanced with bad losses.

http://151.80.18.199/~martin/inc/rating ... ationality
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Manrae
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by Manrae »

computerrank wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 05:34 This is in the pipeline. Great wins better balanced with bad losses.

http://151.80.18.199/~martin/inc/rating ... ationality
Henry Armstrong not in the top 100...

Chris John over Archie Moore...

:stop:

The current formula needs work, but this is a step backwards IMO
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings

Post by computerrank »

Manrae wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 09:52
computerrank wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 05:34 This is in the pipeline. Great wins better balanced with bad losses.

http://151.80.18.199/~martin/inc/rating ... ationality
.

Henry Armstrong not in the top 100...

Chris John over Archie Moore...

:stop:

The current formula needs work, but this is a step backwards IMO
Both have too many bad losses devaluating their big wins.
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