Scott Harrison was pulled out of the St.Clair fight...

[silkov]

Well I can't quite put my argument together as succintly you just did but I did give it a go. Incidently did you show this much concern when Kerry Katanoia (or whatever she is called) was depressed and checked into the Priory?

You just sound ike an ill-informed hand-wringer.Which is fair enough really as most people are ill-informed on this matter.

What you don't seem to understand is that depression is an illness just the same as schizoprhenia... don't you think the fact that Scott started boozing might indicate that he was depressed already before he started drinking?... many people suffering from depression self medicate with alcohol and drugs... maybe I'm a hand wringer for feeling some sympathy for Scott but I'd prefer to be a hand wringer to being a rather callous know-it-all ready to condemn someone who is actually ill and like it or not depression is an illness and far from being in vogue it is still very much a taboo subject and one of the reasons for this is the sort of reaction of people like yourself...
As for being ill informed I've seen depression and alcohol abuse in many forms over the years and actually do know what I'm talking about, though I'd never be as arrogant to say I know it all as noone does...

Silkov, if the above are diseases why can't you catch them by touch or other transferrable means? A disease you can track down and pass on, the psychosemetic diseases are conditions at best and Scott is not a sufferer IMO.

Look depression, clinical depression, is a solitary illness and Scott seems to spend a lot of time in pubs bragging about how well he has things (we've heard the rumours). Depression lives in isolation not in the boozer. Depressed people turn to drink in the (perceived) sanctity of their own homes not the pub. If you see a guy at a bar screaming about how depressed he is he is not a clinically depressed person, he is far from it.

Scott will be diagnosed with a 21st century form of mental illness but, lord forbid, nothing so bad he can't fight anymore, lest he stop making people money.

Sorry if I seemed rude to you (and it was fairly tongue in cheek) but this is a slap in the face for the really ill people who are shoved in the backs of hospitals whislt fashionable diseases like cancer and such get all the funding.

Best thing this can do, if Scott is ill, which I doubt, is highlight the shocking level of care for thementally ill here in the UK. As it stands the very fact Scott is at the priory and not sectioned (which most violent drunks would have been) confirms my views as the Priory is not a place for the genuinely mental ill. It is a fad institution.

Sorry mate, but your talking tosh... you can't 'catch' cancer, Parkinsons, MS and a load more other illnesses... does that mean that they don't exist and that people who die of them are just imagining it???....
As for all depressed people drinking by themselves at home that is another bit of total rubbish to be frank, you are just quoting primative stereotypes that have almost no relation to real life...

[silkov]

Silkov, if the above are diseases why can't you catch them by touch or other transferrable means? A disease you can track down and pass on, the psychosemetic diseases are conditions at best and Scott is not a sufferer IMO.

Look depression, clinical depression, is a solitary illness and Scott seems to spend a lot of time in pubs bragging about how well he has things (we've heard the rumours). Depression lives in isolation not in the boozer. Depressed people turn to drink in the (perceived) sanctity of their own homes not the pub. If you see a guy at a bar screaming about how depressed he is he is not a clinically depressed person, he is far from it.

Scott will be diagnosed with a 21st century form of mental illness but, lord forbid, nothing so bad he can't fight anymore, lest he stop making people money.

Sorry if I seemed rude to you (and it was fairly tongue in cheek) but this is a slap in the face for the really ill people who are shoved in the backs of hospitals whislt fashionable diseases like cancer and such get all the funding.

Best thing this can do, if Scott is ill, which I doubt, is highlight the shocking level of care for thementally ill here in the UK. As it stands the very fact Scott is at the priory and not sectioned (which most violent drunks would have been) confirms my views as the Priory is not a place for the genuinely mental ill. It is a fad institution.

Sorry mate, but your talking tosh... you can't 'catch' cancer, Parkinsons, MS and a load more other illnesses... does that mean that they don't exist and that people who die of them are just imagining it???....
As for all depressed people drinking by themselves at home that is another bit of total rubbish to be frank, you are just quoting primative stereotypes that have almost no relation to real life...

Silkov, if I was talking tosh you'd feel no need to, poorly, retort.

First off cancer is not to be lumped in, not even in the same spectacularly ill-informed post, with parkinson's.

Parkinson's is a syndrome, it can be broken down and analysed (same as cancer incidently, alcholism is unconclusive in this regards). Even in terms of the disease there is growing research to suggest it can be caught from persticides and the other vagaries of modern life, it can also be genetic. Syndrome can be caught from carbon monoxide poisoning and such, again a problem brought on by the common world.

Cancer is similar, we know it is caused by smoking and pollution, personally I think the industrial revolution and space programmes are to blame.

They don't really deserve to be called diseases but people who don't think outside the box often characterise them as such.

Earlier you posted nonsense about how you don't think people who commit violent crimes are ill then ignored me when I (reasonably) pulled you up on it. How many violent attacks do you think are perpetrated by drunken people? Are we to say: "They are ill, let's treat them." or should we say: "No matter how drunk you are if you beat a person and they scream empathy should kick in." If you are going to hold a position at least hold it resolutly.

So what is to be? Class all drunks as alcoholic and then if they commit a crime say that they can no longer be considered ill, as according to you people who commit violent crimes are not ill? I don't think you know what you are saying.

People like yourself always want recourse to the genes, they scream it is the genes vault and point to research but guess what? Any gene research is likely to be superseded within years, that is the nature of the beast of that type of research. Alcholism is not genetic, it is a pattern that can be followed but need not be if you have just a little bit of resolution.

As for depression and loneliness, check out the literature and case studies. Depression and its symptoms inlcude many things but if you go to your GP and tell him you got into a fight in a pub, had possession of something you should not have had and have got yourself in a very sticky mess in terms of a fight contract and could be stripped off your title will he diagnose depression? Possibly not, a private, promoter paid GP, would though. In the real world depression is characterised by insomnia (which produces feelings of loneliness), alientation (again this necessitates loneliness), repressed emotions (not exactly conducive to drinknig then blowing a gasket in a pub so far is it Silkov?), social isolation (isolation usually entails loneliness) and a myriad of other signifiers that all make it a bit hard to go on the lash to the extent you are barred from an entire city centre! As you can see loneliness plays a big part, lonely man in a crowd and all that, and you do withdraw from society because thenature of depression is such that you cannot bear to be part of the herd.

In fact depression is often caused by grief that is not vented or deeply sublimated feelings that are impossible to articulate without aid. Clinical depressino is treated in hospitals, for all its pretentions the Priory is a drying out clinic.

Now if you want to reply with 6th form banalities about how terrible stress is then fair enough but you are grossly mistaken.

To settle this debate (or massacre depending on your perspective) I'll bet you £20 that Harrison does not get sectioned (as most clinically depressed people can expect to be, they are a danger to themselves at times) and his "treatment" amounts to drying out in the Priory then conducting a "I was low but I'm alright now, bonus!" interview and he'll be fighting shortly afterwards. His depression forgotten about whilst up and down the UK really depressed people with serious problems are ignored. Scott is a warrior in the ring, out of it he might just be a Kerry Katona or "tired and emotional" as they say.

More tosh, most people with clinical depression do not I can assure you get sectioned unless they are deemed to be a danger to themselves or others... having schizophrenia doesn't automatically get you sectioned even... there are many forms of depression and various ways in which it can affect someone... if Scott isn't sectioned that certainly doesn't mean he hasn't got depression... your mixture of arrogance and ignorance is truly impressive.... well done.

[silkov]

(as most clinically depressed people can expect to be, they are a danger to themselves at times)

Silkov, Harrison was roaming clubs getting into fights, that makes him a danger however you look at it, both to himself and as a licensed fighter to the general public. Arrogance? Fine, I prefer to think of it as knowledge and you are showing little. At some point, well you will have to make a point and stop repeating the "tosh" mantra you have going on. Depression is a lonely state of mind, it is not cancer, nor for that matter is it alcoholism and people like you demean the true suffers of mental illness.

Why not take the bet that Scott will make a substantive recovery when the whole depression illness blows over and he is no longer on trial and no longer in the position of having to pull out of a fight and then justify it to the fans.

In the meantime I suggest you read some Dorothy Rowe to learn about the ins and out of depression.

Like I said back to boxing but put up or shut up and take the bet, I'll honour it if Scott is diagnosed to my satisfaction.

Knowledge??! sorry, you haven't got any knowledge mate, you think anyone with clinical depression is sectioned, you think that people only suffer depression from grief or drinking too much... I don't need to read Rowe to know about depression... I know plenty about it and suggest you really research depression in its many forms, causes and effects before you think that you know it all.
As for the bet, that is a rather childish ruse... I'm sure Scott will not be sectioned because he has already checked himself into the Priory and so will be getting treatment there and if he stays the full course he will only leave when he is thought to have sufficently recovered to go home... so you're bet is a nonstarter as I am sure that Scott will not be sectioned... but if you think that means Scott hasn't got depression then that just illustrates your lack of knowledge on the subject.
As I have already said people with clinical depression are seldom sectioned... why is this so hard for you to understand???.....look at the case of Frank Bruno... he was only sectioned when his illness had reached a point where he was seen as a danger to himself and he was also refusing treatment.
Really I don't care what you think to be honest, I just find it rather sad that some people live their lives with such a blinkered attitude as you to the world around them and the people in it...

[JimJim]

Somebody wrote on here earlier,

"Alchoholism is a perfect example, saying that you can just 'sort your life out' is like saying to an Alchoholic 'just stop drinking.' It's not that simple. If you are born with the genes which mean you have an addictive personality disorder, (genes they have already identified) you are much more likely to become and alchoholic and will find it much harder to break those habits than others"

I'm a recovering alcoholic, thanks to an addictive personality but I've been 100% sober since September 2003. Up until then, I did have a lot of up and down periods, basically trying to control the boozing instead of just giving it up. It was only when I stopped fxxking around, got a grip of myself and realised that I simply HAD to quit drinking, permanently, that I was able to do so.

In my experience, there's a bit too much molly-coddling of people who have problems, be it depression, alcoholism and so on. For instance, when it began to dawn on me that my drinking was getting out of control, I rang around the various helplines and couldn't find a single person willing to tell me "listen, you're drinking like a fish and it will kill you", they were all very touchy-feely and totally unwilling to make any comment that might have been remotely condemning in nature, and quite frankly that is what I needed - to be told, point blank and without any waffle, that I was drinking myself into an early grave.

Over the time that's passed since the day I quit drinking, I've got to know quite a bit about alcoholism and, based on my own experiences, I think a lot of people would be better off with some frank, stark criticism rather than all the "understanding" nonsense that's so prevalent these days. I know that you can't treat every alcoholic the same way but I see people struggling on, doing more and more harm to their livers, because those around them are all too willing to point the finger of blame elsewhere, instead of just saying "regardless of your stresses and worries, you are rotting your liver and when it packs in, you'll turn yellow from the toxins and then probably die a lingering death".

As for Scott Harrison, who knows whats going on there but I would be fxxking livid if I'd bought a ticket. By the way, I never buy tickets with this promoter anymore, as they don't give refunds when the main event falls though. When I saw Takaloo vs Magee on the same bill I knew that would become the main event (who cares if Danny Williams slaps around a no-hoper?) if the Harrison bout fell through, and I also knew that the show would go ahead regardless, and that there'd be no refunds. I spend my cash on other promoters shows.

[silkov]

Somebody wrote on here earlier,

"Alchoholism is a perfect example, saying that you can just 'sort your life out' is like saying to an Alchoholic 'just stop drinking.' It's not that simple. If you are born with the genes which mean you have an addictive personality disorder, (genes they have already identified) you are much more likely to become and alchoholic and will find it much harder to break those habits than others"

I'm a recovering alcoholic, thanks to an addictive personality but I've been 100% sober since September 2003. Up until then, I did have a lot of up and down periods, basically trying to control the boozing instead of just giving it up. It was only when I stopped fxxking around, got a grip of myself and realised that I simply HAD to quit drinking, permanently, that I was able to do so.

In my experience, there's a bit too much molly-coddling of people who have problems, be it depression, alcoholism and so on. For instance, when it began to dawn on me that my drinking was getting out of control, I rang around the various helplines and couldn't find a single person willing to tell me "listen, you're drinking like a fish and it will kill you", they were all very touchy-feely and totally unwilling to make any comment that might have been remotely condemning in nature, and quite frankly that is what I needed - to be told, point blank and without any waffle, that I was drinking myself into an early grave.

Over the time that's passed since the day I quit drinking, I've got to know quite a bit about alcoholism and, based on my own experiences, I think a lot of people would be better off with some frank, stark criticism rather than all the "understanding" nonsense that's so prevalent these days. I know that you can't treat every alcoholic the same way but I see people struggling on, doing more and more harm to their livers, because those around them are all too willing to point the finger of blame elsewhere, instead of just saying "regardless of your stresses and worries, you are rotting your liver and when it packs in, you'll turn yellow from the toxins and then probably die a lingering death".

As for Scott Harrison, who knows whats going on there but I would be fxxking livid if I'd bought a ticket. By the way, I never buy tickets with this promoter anymore, as they don't give refunds when the main event falls though. When I saw Takaloo vs Magee on the same bill I knew that would become the main event (who cares if Danny Williams slaps around a no-hoper?) if the Harrison bout fell through, and I also knew that the show would go ahead regardless, and that there'd be no refunds. I spend my cash on other promoters shows.

Well if you were able to stop drinking on your own then well done indeed, but everyone is different, alcoholism varies in how it affects different people... some people just haven't the strength to stop without help, they are too far down the road...this is especially true if the drinking is motivated by an underlying problem such as depression... some alcoholics can die if they attempt to quit without medical help as their bodies will not cope with the sudden withdrawal... if anything I think there is not enough help for people with depression and alcoholism... aside from some private clinics that you have to pay to get in most people have to go on a very long waiting list for such problems and for some time runs out.....

[JimJim]

Thanks (almost put "cheers") !

When somebody is drinking themselves to death, you can study the triggering causes until the cows come home but the bottom line is, that person has to stop pouring booze down their throat because it is knackering up their liver, pure and simple. The damage is not lessened or worsened because you've been depressed, stressed, divorced, etc. In a way, it really doesn't matter. What matters - the only thing that does matter - is to stop pouring it down your throat. You need the cold hard reality of that to hit home; whatever is going wrong in life, you stop drinking alcohol regardless because the liver and other organs are getting fxxked up.

I would ring up councillors and advisors and say, "I'm drinking 3 bottles of wine a night, every night of the week, please tell me I'm on my way to an early grave; I need to hear it from somebody" and they would do nothing of the sort, they would simply not be judgmental or critical, they would rather discuss what was triggering the excessive drinking.

I've no doubt guys on here will think the above is a bit barmy, and that its patently obvious that 3 bottles of wine a night is going to do you in, but alcoholics trick themselves into believing it will be alright, and I really needed somebody to listen to my consumption levels and say "jesus mate, you're not going to last much longer". Alas, they did not. So one day I just packed it in, after months of feeling like I had a stomach/midriff full of broken glass. I don't think I was too far away from going yellow : ) I haven't looked back since thank god.

I didn't want sympathy or understanding, and frankly I didn't deserve it anyway. There's no such thing as an average life, we're all different, and we all have good and bad things to content with, even world champs like Scott Harrison. He's mucked around the fans though, who'll now have to settle for Magee vs Takaloo as a main event with the added bonus of Danny Williams rolling over a bum. No doubt with a bit of spin Scott might even emerge from this episode portrayed very much as a victim in one way or another, but my sympathies like with the boxing fans who paid money to go see him, especially those Scottish supporters who had such a long journey to cough up for too.

[KO Artist]

F uck me, its a good job this forum wasnt around when Tony Ayala jnr was in his prime.

You are all in the wrong jobs. You should all be psycologists.

You probably know more about that than boxing

Scott Harrison goes on a bender and Boxrec writes a 500 page hardback on the ills of modern western life.


What Scott has been doing is a regular night out for over 20 years for one of our other boxer posters.

He's mad, and asmits it. But he never gets depressed.

[JimJim]

Yep, three bottles of wine a night, or alternatively a bottle of gin, the problem was, I'd got into a habit (well, obviously!) of associating drinking with enjoying myself; for example, if I watched a fight or a football match on the telly, I'd do so while drinking, ditto for a film, ditto for socialising, etc etc. Looking back, in a way, it wasn't hard to stop because I knew that I'd simply come to the end of my tether, physically; the internal pains I was getting all day and night told me that something was probably going to pack in and where's the credit in packing up drinking if you were laying in a hospital bed, with tubes and stuff coming in and out of you, getting a bollocking and warning of impending death from an unsympathetic doctor while being surrounded by your family and friends ? I think I narrowly avoided that scenario.

Anyway I hate things being sugar coated, its best just to tell it how it is. I was a drunken pisshead, plain and simple. I believe that the problem stemmed from longterm depression and from having an addictive personality but so what ? I had to stop it, and behave myself, and realise that the rest of my life was booze free. Okay so I can't drink anymore but it saves me a fortune, I never get hangovers, my weight never creeps up, and I don't make an arse of myself anymore. Alright then sometimes I might make an arse of myself but not in a drunken way. Not being able to drink isn't the end of the world, and people struggling with booze should realise that. There is a life beyond the booze.

[KO Artist]

Yep, three bottles of wine a night, or alternatively a bottle of gin, the problem was, I'd got into a habit (well, obviously!) of associating drinking with enjoying myself; for example, if I watched a fight or a football match on the telly, I'd do so while drinking, ditto for a film, ditto for socialising, etc etc. Looking back, in a way, it wasn't hard to stop because I knew that I'd simply come to the end of my tether, physically; the internal pains I was getting all day and night told me that something was probably going to pack in and where's the credit in packing up drinking if you were laying in a hospital bed, with tubes and stuff coming in and out of you, getting a bollocking and warning of impending death from an unsympathetic doctor while being surrounded by your family and friends ? I think I narrowly avoided that scenario.

Anyway I hate things being sugar coated, its best just to tell it how it is. I was a drunken pisshead, plain and simple. I believe that the problem stemmed from longterm depression and from having an addictive personality but so what ? I had to stop it, and behave myself, and realise that the rest of my life was booze free. Okay so I can't drink anymore but it saves me a fortune, I never get hangovers, my weight never creeps up, and I don't make an arse of myself anymore. Alright then sometimes I might make an arse of myself but not in a drunken way. Not being able to drink isn't the end of the world, and people struggling with booze should realise that. There is a life beyond the booze.

All credit to you. One of my brothers had a similar problem, he ended up sentenced to 6 years away for commiteing crimes whilst pissed.

He is 8 years sober tomorrow.

[JimJim]

Your brother's done well, 8 years sober is quite an achievement for somebody who once had a serious problem. I'm three years sober in September. I was what they call a functioning alcoholic, in that I managed to keep a job and a roof over my head, and stay on the right side of the law. I'd somehow haul myself out of bed on a morning and manage a day at the office before inevitably calling at the supermarket on the way home for another carrier bag full of booze, skipping my tea so the booze would go into an empty stomach for a quicker effect.

Unfortunately I have a friend who's not seen the light of day and thinks he can control his drinking. He had the same internal pains (around the liver, kidney and pancrea area) as me and he's still at it; he claims to limit himself to just half a bottle of wine a night but since he's obviously got liver damage he's continuing to harm it. It's like a piece of metal getting rustier and rustier because its always wet, that's how I look at a damaged liver. They claim to have their drinking under control but the liver continues to take a pummelling and they don't last forever.

[Twinkle Toes]

Well said Terence, I agree with what you say entirely - I'm afraid silkov, although passionate is out of his depth or lacks enough life experience to defend his corner better.

Using depression as a form of defence for actions is to easy a get out clause and unfortunately it is prevelent in todays society.

[bennie]

I like Scott Harrison. Once Guzman pulled out, he just couldn't get up for the likes of Honorio or St Clair. He went the other way.

[coneye]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

[states]

Has anyone got any evidence of Harrison being on/involved with the chang? It's been mentioned a few times on here, but I've seen no mention of it in the press, which it surely would have been if it was well-known.

Just curious. I know it's hardly a revelation that someone in this country is shovelling the gak up their nose, but Harrison doesn't seem the sort. Pisshead, yes. Gianluca addict, maybe not. Anyway, any firm evidence of it?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

Err, before you jump to conclusions, far from being a 'bleeding heart middle class' (shorthand for articulate and liberal as opposed to reactionary and blinkered) I'm very much from a working class background, a piss poor one in fact, so don't go pigeonholing me because we disagree on this matter. My points were not about Harrison in particular, but about the nature of stress and depression. I've plenty of personal experience of the former lately, and with very good reason I might add, and my mother suffered from the latter for much of her adult life.

I may be educated and erudite, but my roots are strictly working class old boy...

[nickd]

but Harrison doesn't seem the sort.

What is the sort? I dont think you can spot someone who might do it, practically everyone in London I know is at it or had been at some point.

He has bundles of expendable income, and time on his hands I say he's as likely to be doing it as any other 20-30 something if not moreso.

Lets hope not, would not be good for his career.

[coneye]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

Err, before you jump to conclusions, far from being a 'bleeding heart middle class' (shorthand for articulate and liberal as opposed to reactionary and blinkered) I'm very much from a working class background, a piss poor one in fact, so don't go pigeonholing me because we disagree on this matter. My points were not about Harrison in particular, but about the nature of stress and depression. I've plenty of personal experience of the former lately, and with very good reason I might add, and my mother suffered from the latter for much of her adult life.

I may be educated and erudite, but my roots are strictly working class old boy...

Yes all well and good James and given that she's sombody's mother and hopefully a good mother I will say it must of been a hard time for you your mother and your familly and for that you have my sympathy and I can genuinly feel for you and your family.

But on the other hand if she was a world champion fighter who spent half her time running round pubs and nightclubs using the same amount of money to light cigars has other poor pensioners had for a weeks spends , then bashing people , getting kicked out of pubs , police having to use spray to calm her down and getting found coming out of clubs with illigal substances in her pocket. I'd say fack her throw away the key.

But thankfully i doubt she would off been like that. cheers

[jamesmcdonnell]

As far as I am aware, my mother has never been a featherweight title holder. She did used to smoke cigars and get into fights in pubs on a regular basis however.

[states]

but Harrison doesn't seem the sort.

What is the sort? I dont think you can spot someone who might do it, practically everyone in London I know is at it or had been at some point.

He has bundles of expendable income, and time on his hands I say he's as likely to be doing it as any other 20-30 something if not moreso.

Lets hope not, would not be good for his career.

Well, obviously, I wouldn't be suprised if he was on the gear. Pretty much everyone I know is. I just had him down as a pisshead, rather than a coke-fiend.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

I think it's a bit late in the day for anyone to bring boxing into disrepute.

[silkov]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

I think it's a bit late in the day for anyone to bring boxing into disrepute.

I like that too, bringing boxing into disrepute indeed!. Another funny thing is that quite a few of these anti Harrison posters are the same people that think Mike Tyson can do no wrong and should be offered a knighthood.

[silkov]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

The names SILKOV! conear... but you can call me sir...

[KO Artist]

Well I can't be arsed reading about it and i obviosly don't come from the same middle class bleeding heart background, that some come from .but i will base my assumptions on 40 years of being in gyms working doors and basicly being around the Scott Harrisons of the world for all but 10 years of my life.

Scott is a bully and a pisshead simple has that, he swans around with his arse lickers DEMANDING respect. but the living the high life not having a proper job but having plenty of money has took its toll.

He has lost it , he's lost his confidence thats why he's pulling out all the time simply because he's scared of getting beat so instead of training to beat another well trained fighter he goes on the piss and swans around demanding repect . He has an image of himself in his head of being a hard man he don;'t have the social skills to be a nice man cos he's a bully .
He also has no pride he will turn up in the news of the world and sell his story and then he will go on the piss and belt some poor facker just to show everyone he aint lost it.

Scott Harrison is just simply a thug , who has substance abuse problems brought about because he has too much time on his hands and to much money to spend, he don't give a fack about himself or others ESPECIALLY HIS FANS,

Sooner or later he will bash someone and get locked up then he will sell his story again.Sirkov you seem to think its not his fault because he said he's sick he's depressed he cannot help it. but wonder if you would feel the same if he chinned you when he's pissed one night.

But then again you probably would'nt be in the boozer your more likely to be sat at home with your cocoa reading Freuds views on depresion .

Get a life theres a real world out there and a lot of it is very very nasty and guys like Harrison are nothing but thugs.And he knows how to play the system . For fack sake he got arrested then while he's a week from a fight he gets caught with shit in his pockets in a nightclub He was never gonna show for that fight . Like I said before the only thing is who else knew he was not going to fightwasit kept quiet he was'nt training proper and on the piss , because of ticket sales.

The bbbc is to be held acountable here they should make enquireies and strip ANYONE and EVERYONE who may have held back and concieled the fact that the man in the main event was out clubbing it and had NO intention of fullfilling the obligations he had.

THERFORE BRINGING BOXING INTO DISREPUTE BESIDES CONNING THE PUBLIC

I think it's a bit late in the day for anyone to bring boxing into disrepute.

I like that too, bringing boxing into disrepute indeed!. Another funny thing is that quite a few of these anti Harrison posters are the same people that think Mike Tyson can do no wrong and should be offered a knighthood.

I think Tyson should be offered a knight hood. For services against clueless boxing journalists. Most of the newspaper guys like Jeff Powell have no fornicating idea.

At least When Tyson gave it large he had something to brag about.

What has Scott Harrison ever done?

He has never been world champion.

[silkov]

I think it's a bit late in the day for anyone to bring boxing into disrepute.

I like that too, bringing boxing into disrepute indeed!. Another funny thing is that quite a few of these anti Harrison posters are the same people that think Mike Tyson can do no wrong and should be offered a knighthood.

I think Tyson should be offered a knight hood. For services against clueless boxing journalists. Most of the newspaper guys like Jeff Powell have no fornicating idea.

At least When Tyson gave it large he had something to brag about.

What has Scott Harrison ever done?

He has never been world champion.

He's never tried to eat his opponent either, nor tried to break their arms, strangle them or hit the referee or raped anyone... but nobodies perfect!...

[JimJim]

Frank Maloney has been quoted in the report about Scott Harrison coming out of the clinic to go boozing in a pub; Maloney wants Scott to return to Scotland and he has called on pubs in Glasgow to refuse to serve him.

It does look like Harrison did nip out to the boozer on Thursday, then.

That points to a very, very serious booze problem. If he'd have gotten into the ring this weekend he might have unravelled like McCall did in the rematch with Lewis.

On the other hand, this problem didn't just materialise out of thin air over the past seven days. He must know he's let down his fans, not so much the airchair fans but the supporters who were travelling to Belfast.

I can't see the WBO standing by him for long. Nicky Cook is ranked number seven by the WBO and he's out of his WBC eliminator. Maybe Cook could box for the interim title ?