Tyson Fury ... Did we underestimate him ?

[Evander]

Did you underestimate Tyson Fury ?
It wasn't that long ago he punched himself in the face and called most of the potential Heavyweight challengers or Champions out at the same time.

Time has passed, how do you see him now ?

[verlichte]

I didn't underestimate him – never did.

Others may have allowed their personal dislike of a man, who relished portraying the role of a stereotypical pantomime villain, as well as possessing unathletic physique, to cloud their judgment and become blinded by the fact that he is not only one of the most naturally gifted, but also one of the very best heavyweights on the planet.

This is the way the forum thinks… If a fighter is liked, their talents are embellished to the point the point they’re considered indestructible behemoths that automatically deserve an honorary rite of passage into the Hall-of-Fame without even requiring the need for validation.

However, when a fighter is disliked, they’re an overrated bṹm that is protected, "ducks" that are fearful of facing any decent rivals, as well as being highly-fortunate benefactors of corrupt and biased judges’ scorecards.

There is no in-between, people aren’t allowed to be neutral or appreciate reality – they’re aggressively ridiculed if they don’t take sides in the constant never-ending battles of tribal boxing fandom warfare.

[Evander]

Everyone underestimated him.

[verlichte]

Everyone underestimated him.

Not true. I paid attention to the late Emanuel Steward, coupled with the nature of his victories over the likes of Dereck Chisora.

[Evander]

Who
Speculative I guess

[lazboy]

I did. I didn’t think he would have the fitness and will to be on for 12 rounds against an elite athlete like Wilder.

What he did was beyond amazing. His getting up in round 12 was something I will never forget and is truly the most memorable boxing thing I have seen in recent years. Almost shed tears watching replays.

He’s proved he’s the top dog. He’s a bonafide champion.

[lazboy]

Everyone underestimated him.

Not true. I paid attention to the late Emanuel Steward, coupled with the nature of his victories over the likes of Dereck Chisora.

We’ll have to take you word shall we? And who exactly are you? You’ll have to prove it or else you are just talking smack. Similar to how another poster talks smack by the name of EO.

[Fightnight Scores]

Definitely did when he fought Klitschko, and even more so this latest time around after the long layoff, questionable lifestyle and with the state he got himself into conditioning wise.

A remarkable comeback, regardless of your feelings about his personality, no one can knock his desire and heart.

Has earned his place back at the top table.

[verlichte]

Everyone underestimated him.

Not true. I paid attention to the late Emanuel Steward, coupled with the nature of his victories over the likes of Dereck Chisora.

We’ll have to take you word shall we? And who exactly are you? You’ll have to prove it or else you are just talking smack. Similar to how another poster talks smack by the name of EO.

The following fighters either expected Tyson Fury to defeat Wladimir Klitschko or they couldn't predict the winner (as they considered it a 50-50 bout): Anthony Crolla, Joe Calzaghe, Deontay Wilder, Lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell, Tony Bellew, Spike O'Sullivan, Callum Smith, Tony Thompson, Chris Arreola, Eric Molina, Amir Khan etc.

Many more people expected Tyson Fury to either defeat Deontay Wilder or they couldn't predict the winner (as they considered it a 50-50 bout): Mike Tyson, Amir Khan, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Gerry Cooney, Carl Froch, Chris Byrd, Abel Sanchez etc.

So "everyone" clearly didn’t underestimate Tyson Fury’s boxing ability, did they?

[lazboy]

Everyone underestimated him.

Not true. I paid attention to the late Emanuel Steward, coupled with the nature of his victories over the likes of Dereck Chisora.

We’ll have to take you word shall we? And who exactly are you? You’ll have to prove it or else you are just talking smack. Similar to how another poster talks smack by the name of EO.

The following fighters either expected Tyson Fury to defeat Wladimir Klitschko or they couldn't predict the winner (as they considered it a 50-50 bout): Anthony Crolla, Joe Calzaghe, Deontay Wilder, Lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell, Tony Bellew, Spike O'Sullivan, Callum Smith, Tony Thompson, Chris Arreola, Eric Molina, Amir Khan etc.

Many more people expected Tyson Fury to either defeat Deontay Wilder or they couldn't predict the winner (as they considered it a 50-50 bout): Mike Tyson, Amir Khan, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Gerry Cooney, Carl Froch, Chris Byrd, Abel Sanchez etc.

So "everyone" clearly didn’t underestimate Tyson Fury’s boxing ability, did they?

They may have said so but they didn’t believe so. Everyone underrated him it’s irrefutable - I’m with Evander. The only person who believed was the man, the myth, Tyson Fury...and Shannon the cannon.

[verlichte]

Everyone underestimated him.

Not true. I paid attention to the late Emanuel Steward, coupled with the nature of his victories over the likes of Dereck Chisora.

We’ll have to take you word shall we? And who exactly are you? You’ll have to prove it or else you are just talking smack. Similar to how another poster talks smack by the name of EO.

The following fighters either expected Tyson Fury to defeat Wladimir Klitschko or they couldn't predict the winner (as they considered it a 50-50 bout): Anthony Crolla, Joe Calzaghe, Deontay Wilder, Lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell, Tony Bellew, Spike O'Sullivan, Callum Smith, Tony Thompson, Chris Arreola, Eric Molina, Amir Khan etc.

Many more people expected Tyson Fury to either defeat Deontay Wilder or they couldn't predict the winner (as they considered it a 50-50 bout): Mike Tyson, Amir Khan, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Gerry Cooney, Carl Froch, Chris Byrd, Abel Sanchez etc.

So "everyone" clearly didn’t underestimate Tyson Fury’s boxing ability, did they?

They may have said so but they didn’t believe so. Everyone underrated him it’s irrefutable - I’m with Evander. The only person who believed was the man, the myth, Tyson Fury...and Shannon the cannon.

Well it seems you're either born with the gift of telepathy or you're lying! I'll let others decide which side of the proverbial "coin" their perception of you lands on.

Talk about walking foolishly into a trap of your own making!

[tigermoth87]

I did. I didn’t think he would have the fitness and will to be on for 12 rounds against an elite athlete like Wilder.

What he did was beyond amazing. His getting up in round 12 was something I will never forget and is truly the most memorable boxing thing I have seen in recent years. Almost shed tears watching replays.

He’s proved he’s the top dog. He’s a bonafide champion.

It's one of those sporting moments that will be replaced in years to come.

If I saw it in a Rocky film I'd think it's daft and unrealistic. Out cold, sitting up like the Undertaker, Wilders dancing and then just stopping and looking shocked and then coming back and finishing the round stronger.

[danconnollyeire]

I didn't underestimate him – never did.

Others may have allowed their personal dislike of a man, who relished portraying the role of a stereotypical pantomime villain, as well as possessing unathletic physique, to cloud their judgment and become blinded by the fact that he is not only one of the most naturally gifted, but also one of the very best heavyweights on the planet.

This is the way the forum thinks… If a fighter is liked, their talents are embellished to the point the point they’re considered indestructible behemoths that automatically deserve an honorary rite of passage into the Hall-of-Fame without even requiring the need for validation.

However, when a fighter is disliked, they’re an overrated bṹm that is protected, "ducks" that are fearful of facing any decent rivals, as well as being highly-fortunate benefactors of corrupt and biased judges’ scorecards.

There is no in-between, people aren’t allowed to be neutral or appreciate reality – they’re aggressively ridiculed if they don’t take sides in the constant never-ending battles of tribal boxing fandom warfare.

It's not really the personality type why people thought he wouldn't be a champion, he looked awful early on. The 'loss' to McDermott, being floored by average opposition, consistently being out of shape. No wonder people thought he couldn't hang with the best in the world. He cleaned up his game and has prove himself a worthy elite fighter

[danconnollyeire]

Everyone underestimated him.

Yeah ok then. When he was outboxed by John McDemott you clearly knew he'd become a world champion

[mchuffy]

I didn't underestimate him – never did.

Others may have allowed their personal dislike of a man, who relished portraying the role of a stereotypical pantomime villain, as well as possessing unathletic physique, to cloud their judgment and become blinded by the fact that he is not only one of the most naturally gifted, but also one of the very best heavyweights on the planet.

This is the way the forum thinks… If a fighter is liked, their talents are embellished to the point the point they’re considered indestructible behemoths that automatically deserve an honorary rite of passage into the Hall-of-Fame without even requiring the need for validation.

However, when a fighter is disliked, they’re an overrated bṹm that is protected, "ducks" that are fearful of facing any decent rivals, as well as being highly-fortunate benefactors of corrupt and biased judges’ scorecards.

There is no in-between, people aren’t allowed to be neutral or appreciate reality – they’re aggressively ridiculed if they don’t take sides in the constant never-ending battles of tribal boxing fandom warfare.

It's not really the personality type why people thought he wouldn't be a champion, he looked awful early on. The 'loss' to McDermott, being floored by average opposition, consistently being out of shape. No wonder people thought he couldn't hang with the best in the world. He cleaned up his game and has prove himself a worthy elite fighter

Exactly this. Was anyone calling him a future champion after McDermott 1? I would say I underestimated his ability to massively improve,and I'm excluding Wladimir. They both looked awful that night.

[verlichte]

I didn't underestimate him – never did.

Others may have allowed their personal dislike of a man, who relished portraying the role of a stereotypical pantomime villain, as well as possessing unathletic physique, to cloud their judgment and become blinded by the fact that he is not only one of the most naturally gifted, but also one of the very best heavyweights on the planet.

This is the way the forum thinks… If a fighter is liked, their talents are embellished to the point the point they’re considered indestructible behemoths that automatically deserve an honorary rite of passage into the Hall-of-Fame without even requiring the need for validation.

However, when a fighter is disliked, they’re an overrated bṹm that is protected, "ducks" that are fearful of facing any decent rivals, as well as being highly-fortunate benefactors of corrupt and biased judges’ scorecards.

There is no in-between, people aren’t allowed to be neutral or appreciate reality – they’re aggressively ridiculed if they don’t take sides in the constant never-ending battles of tribal boxing fandom warfare.

It's not really the personality type why people thought he wouldn't be a champion, he looked awful early on. The 'loss' to McDermott, being floored by average opposition, consistently being out of shape. No wonder people thought he couldn't hang with the best in the world. He cleaned up his game and has prove himself a worthy elite fighter

Many people previously ridiculed Tyson Fury’s boxing ability until he scored an upset when he dethroned Wladimir Klitschko. They then mocked his weight gain during his period of inactivity, with many claiming he had no chance against Deontay Wilder.

A lot of these negative opinions were due to their long-term dislike of a man who previously savoured playing the role of the villain, which was simply a fake persona that was used to help hype-up and sell fights.

These self-proclaimed fight fans chose to ignore any facts or objective realities that contradicted their long-standing beliefs.

It’s the same reason why fighters like Andre Ward and Floyd Mayweather Jr. won’t receive praise from the hard-core fight fan fraternity until a decade or so after their respective retirement dates.

However, many highly-knowledgeable boxing “insiders” genuinely believed that Tyson Fury was capable of defeating Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. There must be a reason for this.

And I feel it’s because these individuals don’t get involved in the tribalistic debating wars that fight fans do. They just “know” the sport inside-out and can distinguish the difference between the objective truths of reality and many of the ignorant myths being perpetuated by the blindly-biased fight fan fraternity.

By the way, I’m not suggesting that you personally think this way, it’s merely an observation of a long-term member of the BoxRec forum community. The comments that have been posted to many threads clearly illustrate the point I’ve made.

[Onetimeonly]

I did.

[NateJR]

I remember when Fury was relatively unknown and new on the scene. The Klitschko brothers were dominating at the time and a few of my boxing buddies brought up the subject on who could potentially beat them. I brought up Tyson Fury based on his size and awkward style. I was laughed at needless to say. I always thought Fury was a good fighter and it was relatively clear to me, based on his size and skills that he would be a top heavyweight.

I also predicted Fury would outbox Wilder, but I also thought Wilder would eventually clip him and take him out Midway through the fight. I also thought Fury would resort to spoiling the fight after feeling Wilders power. The fact is Fury was superior enough in the skills department he was able to avoid those big shots until later in the fight and I still don't know how he got up from that knock down, especially after several years out of the ring and not fighting top opposition.

In a sense yes I did underestimate him. To be honest, if he can avoid getting clipped by Wilder in the rematch, I'd consider him the #1 HW in the world and favor him to beat AJ.

[Cyclops]

Completely underestimated him going into the Wladamir fight and I had followed his entire career. He was on terrestrial TV for most of it and I think I've watched every one of his fights. I don't know how many other boxers I can say that about. Him turning pro just happened to coincide with me getting into boxing properly, buying boxing news etc. I'd seen the Mcdermott fights and Tyson going over a few times against relatively light hitters, I'd seen the 'Fury swerve' of David Price (Hughey is a more obvious exponent of the Fury Swerve) and had expected Haye to knock him out had the fight gone through.

The videos of Fury training camps were farcical, Fury rarely fought anybody of comparative dimensions, and he didn't have any elite wins going into that fight. I couldn't see him winning at all. The only argument I could make was his superior reach, his jab, and the fact that Wladamir would not be able to lean on him. But I thought Wladamir would have some sort of gameplan to negate this. How wrong I was.

TOTALLY backed him to beat Wilder, though. In fact if anything I overrated him, because I thought he'd stop Deontay and even put money on it.

[DrDuke]

He is underestimated indeed. Before Klitschko he was rated fairly just because he wasn't proven at the elite level. Now he has done it. But the majority still seems to name Joshua the best. It has happened, that Joshua is the most titled for the moment. But The Gypsy King is the best. Not much underestimated now, but still is to some degree.

[verlichte]

It’s important to note that a lot of boxing “insiders” rated Fury’s chances of defeating Klitschko quite highly.

They may have had this opinion because they knew far more about Tyson’s ability, due to insider gossip or from witnessing first-hand Fury’s behind-the-scenes sparring sessions. Casual fight fans do not have access to such information.

Shortly after his bout against Martin Rogan in 2012, Manny Steward correctly predicted that Tyson Fury would inevitably become the next dominant world heavyweight champion and strongly insinuated that he was also a better boxer than Deontay Wilder. The legendary trainer witnessed Fury's boxing ability when the Brit attended one of Wladimir Klitschko's training camps.

Also, many other boxing insiders (such as: Anthony Crolla, Joe Calzaghe, Deontay Wilder, Lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell, Tony Bellew, Spike O'Sullivan, Callum Smith, Tony Thompson, Chris Arreola, Eric Molina & Amir Khan) either expected Fury to defeat Klitschko or considered it as being a very close 50-50 type of fight.

There has to be a reason for such a disparity of opinions between fight fans and boxing insiders. And I feel it’s due to these experts knowing far more about Tyson Fury than what merely casual boxing observers perceived whilst watching the Brit’s previous bouts.

[Thomastearns]

It's difficult to put any of the current top 6 into any kind of context. I mean AJ only just got past a veteran Wladimir, who himself was underestimated by far too many for far too long.

Wilder only scraped past Ortiz.

Fury was almost sparked cold by a lacklustre Wilder etc.

So far the most convincing one is AJ. We need more fights between Joshua and the rest. Joshua flattening Miller will not tell us any more.

We need Anthony Joshua v Tyson Fury to make things a lot clearer. Joshua v Wilder helps too. Hopefully we'll get one of these before the end of 2019.

[Fightnight Scores]

It’s important to note that a lot of boxing “insiders” rated Fury’s chances of defeating Klitschko quite highly.

They may have had this opinion because they knew far more about Tyson’s ability, due to insider gossip or from witnessing first-hand Fury’s behind-the-scenes sparring sessions. Casual fight fans do not have access to such information.

Shortly after his bout against Martin Rogan in 2012, Manny Steward correctly predicted that Tyson Fury would inevitably become the next dominant world heavyweight champion and strongly insinuated that he was also a better boxer than Deontay Wilder. The legendary trainer witnessed Fury's boxing ability when the Brit attended one of Wladimir Klitschko's training camps.

Also, many other boxing insiders (such as: Anthony Crolla, Joe Calzaghe, Deontay Wilder, Lee Selby, Kevin Mitchell, Tony Bellew, Spike O'Sullivan, Callum Smith, Tony Thompson, Chris Arreola, Eric Molina & Amir Khan) either expected Fury to defeat Klitschko or considered it as being a very close 50-50 type of fight.

There has to be a reason for such a disparity of opinions between fight fans and boxing insiders. And I feel it’s due to these experts knowing far more about Tyson Fury than what merely casual boxing observers perceived whilst watching the Brit’s previous bouts.

So what about all those "boxing insiders" who picked Klitschko to win (Since he was a huge favourite going into the bout, it goes to reason that many more former pros/boxing insiders would have chosen him to prevail, like Lennox Lewis did). Are their opinions now worth the same as a casual boxing fan on the street because they got it wrong?

[danconnollyeire]

I didn't underestimate him – never did.

Others may have allowed their personal dislike of a man, who relished portraying the role of a stereotypical pantomime villain, as well as possessing unathletic physique, to cloud their judgment and become blinded by the fact that he is not only one of the most naturally gifted, but also one of the very best heavyweights on the planet.

This is the way the forum thinks… If a fighter is liked, their talents are embellished to the point the point they’re considered indestructible behemoths that automatically deserve an honorary rite of passage into the Hall-of-Fame without even requiring the need for validation.

However, when a fighter is disliked, they’re an overrated bṹm that is protected, "ducks" that are fearful of facing any decent rivals, as well as being highly-fortunate benefactors of corrupt and biased judges’ scorecards.

There is no in-between, people aren’t allowed to be neutral or appreciate reality – they’re aggressively ridiculed if they don’t take sides in the constant never-ending battles of tribal boxing fandom warfare.

It's not really the personality type why people thought he wouldn't be a champion, he looked awful early on. The 'loss' to McDermott, being floored by average opposition, consistently being out of shape. No wonder people thought he couldn't hang with the best in the world. He cleaned up his game and has prove himself a worthy elite fighter

Many people previously ridiculed Tyson Fury’s boxing ability until he scored an upset when he dethroned Wladimir Klitschko. They then mocked his weight gain during his period of inactivity, with many claiming he had no chance against Deontay Wilder.

A lot of these negative opinions were due to their long-term dislike of a man who previously savoured playing the role of the villain, which was simply a fake persona that was used to help hype-up and sell fights.

These self-proclaimed fight fans chose to ignore any facts or objective realities that contradicted their long-standing beliefs.

It’s the same reason why fighters like Andre Ward and Floyd Mayweather Jr. won’t receive praise from the hard-core fight fan fraternity until a decade or so after their respective retirement dates.

However, many highly-knowledgeable boxing “insiders” genuinely believed that Tyson Fury was capable of defeating Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. There must be a reason for this.

And I feel it’s because these individuals don’t get involved in the tribalistic debating wars that fight fans do. They just “know” the sport inside-out and can distinguish the difference between the objective truths of reality and many of the ignorant myths being perpetuated by the blindly-biased fight fan fraternity.

By the way, I’m not suggesting that you personally think this way, it’s merely an observation of a long-term member of the BoxRec forum community. The comments that have been posted to many threads clearly illustrate the point I’ve made.

Oh yeah you're that weird guy who posts weird nonsense, apologies, I was speaking to you like a normally person before I realised

Long term user? You've been on the forum for just two years, most of that time, Fury has not fought. Frekkin' weird guy

[Onetimeonly]

I didn't underestimate him – never did.

Others may have allowed their personal dislike of a man, who relished portraying the role of a stereotypical pantomime villain, as well as possessing unathletic physique, to cloud their judgment and become blinded by the fact that he is not only one of the most naturally gifted, but also one of the very best heavyweights on the planet.

This is the way the forum thinks… If a fighter is liked, their talents are embellished to the point the point they’re considered indestructible behemoths that automatically deserve an honorary rite of passage into the Hall-of-Fame without even requiring the need for validation.

However, when a fighter is disliked, they’re an overrated bṹm that is protected, "ducks" that are fearful of facing any decent rivals, as well as being highly-fortunate benefactors of corrupt and biased judges’ scorecards.

There is no in-between, people aren’t allowed to be neutral or appreciate reality – they’re aggressively ridiculed if they don’t take sides in the constant never-ending battles of tribal boxing fandom warfare.

It's not really the personality type why people thought he wouldn't be a champion, he looked awful early on. The 'loss' to McDermott, being floored by average opposition, consistently being out of shape. No wonder people thought he couldn't hang with the best in the world. He cleaned up his game and has prove himself a worthy elite fighter

Many people previously ridiculed Tyson Fury’s boxing ability until he scored an upset when he dethroned Wladimir Klitschko. They then mocked his weight gain during his period of inactivity, with many claiming he had no chance against Deontay Wilder.

A lot of these negative opinions were due to their long-term dislike of a man who previously savoured playing the role of the villain, which was simply a fake persona that was used to help hype-up and sell fights.

These self-proclaimed fight fans chose to ignore any facts or objective realities that contradicted their long-standing beliefs.

It’s the same reason why fighters like Andre Ward and Floyd Mayweather Jr. won’t receive praise from the hard-core fight fan fraternity until a decade or so after their respective retirement dates.

However, many highly-knowledgeable boxing “insiders” genuinely believed that Tyson Fury was capable of defeating Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder. There must be a reason for this.

And I feel it’s because these individuals don’t get involved in the tribalistic debating wars that fight fans do. They just “know” the sport inside-out and can distinguish the difference between the objective truths of reality and many of the ignorant myths being perpetuated by the blindly-biased fight fan fraternity.

By the way, I’m not suggesting that you personally think this way, it’s merely an observation of a long-term member of the BoxRec forum community. The comments that have been posted to many threads clearly illustrate the point I’ve made.

Oh yeah you're that weird guy who posts weird nonsense, apologies, I was speaking to you like a normally person before I realised

Long term user? You've been on the forum for just two years, most of that time, Fury has not fought. Frekkin' weird guy

It's enlightened one, Fergus, etc..