More chance to become a HW belt-holder, Hrgović or Usyk ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 13 Feb 2019, 15:39

Who ?
Why ?

Boxing Writer · Post by **Boxing Writer** » 13 Feb 2019, 16:02

Usyk. He has exceptional skills. Hrgivic is good in everything but not special in anything. I don't think he would be able to beat AJ or Fury. Usyk, on the other hand, has a chance to beat them (although it will be very hard task against in-shape Fury)

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 13 Feb 2019, 16:06

Usyk is already a fully loaded competitor, so to speak. And, yes, he is very special. While Hrgovic is still a prospect. So obviously Usyk.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 13 Feb 2019, 16:24

usyks much better, hrg stiff, slow and lacks snap to his shots....got hurt by tom little even

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 13 Feb 2019, 16:52

What did Hrgović achieve to be mentioned in the same sentence with a world title?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 13 Feb 2019, 16:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:52 What did Hrgović achieve to be mentioned in the same sentence with a world title?

He has a great potential, definitely. Noone can convince me the opposite. Period.

Cyclops · Post by **Cyclops** » 13 Feb 2019, 17:55

I've seen very little of Hrgovic but know that people have been hailing the dude as something special right from the amateurs. From what little I've seen, I haven't seen much that's matched the hype. But maybe I just haven't seen enough.

Anybody care to recommend a fight available on Youtube or Dailymotion, pro or amateur, that shows him at his best to get me excited?

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 13 Feb 2019, 18:05

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:55
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:52 What did Hrgović achieve to be mentioned in the same sentence with a world title?
He has a great potential, definitely. Noone can convince me the opposite. Period.

hes a good prospect to bearound the world scene, but whats so impressive ?

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 13 Feb 2019, 18:10

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:05
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:55
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:52 What did Hrgović achieve to be mentioned in the same sentence with a world title?
He has a great potential, definitely. Noone can convince me the opposite. Period.
hes a good prospect to bearound the world scene, but whats so impressive ?

Nothing to put him above a guy that could beat Josh or wilder now. He may have the advantage of fragmented belts by the time he's ready, but that would be open to usyk too.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 13 Feb 2019, 18:13

First off, Usyk will have the opportunity way before Hrgovic.
Secondly, Usyk is a special fighter and Hrgovic is unproven and is at least a year away from even being in the discussion. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, I'm not sure how much better Hrgovic can get, and Usyk is already there level wise.

ElJefe · Post by **ElJefe** » 13 Feb 2019, 18:26

It's not impossible that Hrgovic wins a title and Usyk doesn't given that he's 6 years younger. Who knows what the HW landscape will look like in 5 years when Usyk is in decline at 37 and Hrgovic is in his prime at 31? But with a question like this you have to go with the evidence and all the evidence points towards the proven elite fighter having a better chance.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 13 Feb 2019, 18:39

ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:26 It's not impossible that Hrgovic wins a title and Usyk doesn't given that he's 6 years younger. Who knows what the HW landscape will look like in 5 years when Usyk is in decline at 37 and Hrgovic is in his prime at 31? But with a question like this you have to go with the evidence and all the evidence points towards the proven elite fighter having a better chance.

No it's not impossible. I like Hrgovic, but he'll also have his hands full competing with other prospects as they become more seasoned and get into the mix. Joyce is no pushover for him; Ajagba shows great promise; Dubois; Makhmudov. Some or most of them may surpass Hrgovic who may be as good as he is going to get. One thing is for certain, Hrgovic needs to be taking a step-up fight or get a few busy fights, as he still needs more development and in-ring experience.

ElJefe · Post by **ElJefe** » 13 Feb 2019, 21:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:39
ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:26 It's not impossible that Hrgovic wins a title and Usyk doesn't given that he's 6 years younger. Who knows what the HW landscape will look like in 5 years when Usyk is in decline at 37 and Hrgovic is in his prime at 31? But with a question like this you have to go with the evidence and all the evidence points towards the proven elite fighter having a better chance.
No it's not impossible. I like Hrgovic, but he'll also have his hands full competing with other prospects as they become more seasoned and get into the mix. Joyce is no pushover for him; Ajagba shows great promise; Dubois; Makhmudov. Some or most of them may surpass Hrgovic who may be as good as he is going to get. One thing is for certain, Hrgovic needs to be taking a step-up fight or get a few busy fights, as he still needs more development and in-ring experience.

I'm interested to see how Ajagba does with Mansour next month as that'll be his first common opponent with Hrgovic.

Hrgovic's next couple of opponents will be interesting. He shouldn't rush but does need to be tested. At 26 there's nothing wrong with having 3 or 4 fights at European level over the next 12 months. I think they'll look at someone like Dimitrenko or Wach, then move on to a Duhaupas or Helenius type. After that I'd like him to fight Kabayel. Say, 3 of those 5, would represent a good apprenticeship. Decent tests, all tough enough to give him ring time but probably no massive danger of taking an early L. Then he could start looking at the top 7/8.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 13 Feb 2019, 21:45

ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 21:39
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:39
ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:26 It's not impossible that Hrgovic wins a title and Usyk doesn't given that he's 6 years younger. Who knows what the HW landscape will look like in 5 years when Usyk is in decline at 37 and Hrgovic is in his prime at 31? But with a question like this you have to go with the evidence and all the evidence points towards the proven elite fighter having a better chance.
No it's not impossible. I like Hrgovic, but he'll also have his hands full competing with other prospects as they become more seasoned and get into the mix. Joyce is no pushover for him; Ajagba shows great promise; Dubois; Makhmudov. Some or most of them may surpass Hrgovic who may be as good as he is going to get. One thing is for certain, Hrgovic needs to be taking a step-up fight or get a few busy fights, as he still needs more development and in-ring experience.
I'm interested to see how Ajagba does with Mansour next month as that'll be his first common opponent with Hrgovic.

Hrgovic's next couple of opponents will be interesting. He shouldn't rush but does need to be tested. At 26 there's nothing wrong with having 3 or 4 fights at European level over the next 12 months. I think they'll look at someone like Dimitrenko or Wach, then move on to a Duhaupas or Helenius type. After that I'd like him to fight Kabayel. Say, 3 of those 5, would represent a good apprenticeship. Decent tests, all tough enough to give him ring time but probably no massive danger of taking an early L. Then he could start looking at the top 7/8.

I'm curious what direction Hrgovic will take. I think his next fight is key as to how his handlers see his development. Decent showing in his last fight with Mr. Survival, Kevin Johnson.

victor-romeo · Post by **victor-romeo** » 14 Feb 2019, 13:59

Hrgovic is a legit heavyweight in size, athletic, a work in progress, needs more pop on his punches and variety, that said he is a fighter showed lots of fight in wbss fight with kuzmin.

Usyk is a cruiser weight who is a light hitting volume puncher who is a potential HOF fighter. I would say he is already HOF, but can he fight with the Joshua's and Wilders of the world is the question.

ezhmael · Post by **ezhmael** » 14 Feb 2019, 18:55

Usyk by a mile. But with the size of the current HW champs the most likely he'll beat is the AJ in the Takam fight and Wilder in the Stiverne I. A healthy and motivated Fury is a tough one for him any given night.

Hrgorvic on the other hand is much like a prospect taking down the hill fighters with good records. So much like Beterbiev in LHW. We should compare him to the like of Yoka, Joyce, etc.

Eolaithe · Post by **Eolaithe** » 15 Feb 2019, 06:56

Neither man will become a world heavyweight champion, unless they capture a secondary belt.

ElJefe · Post by **ElJefe** » 15 Feb 2019, 10:22

It's funny though, less than 3 and a half years ago Wlad had 3/4 belts. Since then Glazkov and Ruiz have challenged for vacant belts. Martin and Parker have been world champions. I know the Fury situation was a bit of a one off, but it goes to show things can change very quickly. Fighters that you wouldn't automatically expect to be in the mix can get close to these belts if a couple of things work in their favour.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 15 Feb 2019, 10:29

ElJefe wrote: ↑15 Feb 2019, 10:22 It's funny though, less than 3 and a half years ago Wlad had 3/4 belts. Since then Glazkov and Ruiz have challenged for vacant belts. Martin and Parker have been world champions. I know the Fury situation was a bit of a one off, but it goes to show things can change very quickly. Fighters that you wouldn't automatically expect to be in the mix can get close to these belts if a couple of things work in their favour.

Remember the '80's? Everyone was getting a title in the HW division it seemed. (other than WBC which was ruled by Holmes).

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 15 Feb 2019, 11:21

Literally anybody can "win" WBA Regular belt. Oquendo and Chagaev had it at HW, Shumenov at CW.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 15 Feb 2019, 12:50

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑15 Feb 2019, 11:21 Literally anybody can "win" WBA Regular belt. Oquendo and Chagaev had it at HW, Shumenov at CW.

Opening this post I did not think about secondary belts.

chuck9788 · Post by **chuck9788** » 16 Feb 2019, 10:32

What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37
chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.
201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40
ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37
chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.
201 would be quite enough.
He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
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